RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
Hi Mr. Norton: You know how iPhone and the iOS platform get pushed down the guts of blind users as if nothing else out there is accessible? That's what Android OS is amongst the blind! Android is deemed inaccessible and less useful from a blindness perspective. Well, I take joy in poaking fun at the so-called accessibility gurus who keep thinking that Android should have the same scheme as iOS something that won't ever happen! It's like trying to get Apple's Macintosh to imitate Microsoft's Windows. That won't ever happen! And so for the blind, Android is a DEAD scroll! In actuality, the number of TTS engine available for this DEAD scroll are about equal to what you get with the Windows OS. So, with Window-Eyes now "stolen" by the V F O Group under the guise of a merger or whatever the grammatique is, I paucit that Window-Eyes may be what Android is as a dead scroll on a smartphone to the Windows OS! For this reason, I am making sure I KEEP ALL THE COPIES of Window-Eyes that I have on numerous flash drives just so I can still have it for work and general use. This is the ONLY SCREEN reader that continues to keep me working and I can't aford to lose it just yet. Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
Don't know about WE being the Android of Windows. Like one other member, I started out with Window Bridge, checked out JFW for a few minutes, but, when I tried Window-Eyes, it gave me all I needed, and, didn't insist on me using a copy-protection/mandatory on-line activation process. I tinker with my setup so much that, using a system like JFW uses would severely limit what I have been able to do over the years. My tinkering has even resulted in me being able to help some sighted people with their computers, since I was able to try different configurations, without loosing any activations. Window-Eyes was there for me. What else can I say? ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
Well, for me WindowEyes is my goto #3 or #4 screen reader, but I love the scripting concepts that WE provides. I would love to hear on or off list about things you find doable in WindowEyes that are not doable in another screen reader. For my job, I need to support any screen reader that a school in the US might be using, and float between several on a typical day. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Aug 13, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via > Talk wrote: > > Sky, Window-Eyes DOES NEED to continue! It's the only screen reader that > keeps me employed in my business right now. Just in case, it doesn't, I've > saved the versions I have on a keepsafe flash drive and elsewhere so I can > keep using it to stay somewhat gainfully employed. > > For what I DO, no other screen reader presently fits the bill for me. I've > tried several and only Window-Eyes gives me the results I need for real > productivity at work and on the platforms I use. > > So, I don't pay attention to any of these rankings; it is my understanding > that in the so-called ranking, Window-Eyes was surreptitiously left out. > Hmm, interesting! I guess Window-Eyes has become the Android of Windows > screen readers on a dead scroll! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/jon.c.cohn%40gmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
Sky, Window-Eyes DOES NEED to continue! It's the only screen reader that keeps me employed in my business right now. Just in case, it doesn't, I've saved the versions I have on a keepsafe flash drive and elsewhere so I can keep using it to stay somewhat gainfully employed. For what I DO, no other screen reader presently fits the bill for me. I've tried several and only Window-Eyes gives me the results I need for real productivity at work and on the platforms I use. So, I don't pay attention to any of these rankings; it is my understanding that in the so-called ranking, Window-Eyes was surreptitiously left out. Hmm, interesting! I guess Window-Eyes has become the Android of Windows screen readers on a dead scroll! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
Hey Pam, you are thinking of the GSA Schedule. Window-Eyes is on there to, but no one notices! So, Jaws gets shoved down the guts or one doesn't have a job!! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
Ahh. I see. Hopefully under VFO, Window-Eyes will still continue. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 9:43 AM To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You! And window eyes has the means for the government to purchase it. I forget what that's called. But they listened to somebody who doesn't know very much and decided that Jaws was what they would buy. In the office where George worked, they were actually getting their advice from a computerphobe who didn't know even how to work a versabraille! But he had some kind of seniority, so that's why they took his advice; not because he had any idea what he was talking about. Pam. -Original Message- From: Loy via Talk Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:07 PM To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You! I have been a Window Eyes user since 2001 and it is a great screen reader and have not experienced the crashing you mentioned. And many people know about Window Eyes, it doesn't have as much of the market share as does JAWS and that is because government favors Freedom Scientific and usually doesn't give the client a choice of which screen reader they would like. - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell via Talk To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:41 PM Subject: RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You! Hi. I am sad to say that some, if not all people, are totally unfamiliar with Window-Eyes. I think one of the reasons is that many of them did try Window-Eyes when it became free with office but rejected it due to it crashing a lot and some people even found Window-Eyes droved them crazy. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:37 PM To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will Surprise You! Hi: Maybe the author of that article is not familiar with Window-eyes. By the way, how does Window-eyes work with Edge in the Windows 10 anniversary addition Kevin Huber On 8/10/16, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: > No mention of Window-eyes, eh? tisk tisk. > On 8/10/2016 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: >> The following article came from >> https://www.coolblindtech.com/ranking-screen-readers-in-windows10-ann >> iversary-update-the-results-will-surprise-you/ >> >> He seemed to leave out Window Eyes? >> >> Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results >> Will Surprise You! >> >> James Oates >> >> >> On August 9, 2016 >> >> In this article, I will attempt to review and rank three of the most >> popular current screen readers that are available at this time. The >> three screen readers were tested on the most recent version of >> Windows 10 anniversary update. This is important because one of the >> screen readers is Microsoft’s most recently updated Narrator. >> Although ranking the screen readers might prove to be quite >> controversial, I think it can also open up a real discussion on which >> screen readers are most accessible, and even the question of >> accessibility can sometimes be up for debate. I do realize that >> accessibility is determined by personal needs and preferences, so I >> will attempt to define the criteria I used for accessibility in this review. >> >> What Is Accessibility? >> >> Quite simply, I determined that accessibility is the ability to >> access that which needs to be accessed. Also, I take points off >> accessibility for the screen readers that make it difficult to access >> material by being dysfunctional or by making it very difficult to >> figure out which keystrokes need to be used with the material. Some >> screen readers make you use ridiculous key combinations to activate >> website elements or functions within applications. So without further ado, here are the rankings! >> >> Number One: Microsoft Narrator! >> >> It took me about a day to get used to the screen reader, but once I >> did, I realized what a powerful tool Microsoft had created and that >> the company was finally serious about supporting a built-in screen >> reader
Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
And window eyes has the means for the government to purchase it. I forget what that's called. But they listened to somebody who doesn't know very much and decided that Jaws was what they would buy. In the office where George worked, they were actually getting their advice from a computerphobe who didn't know even how to work a versabraille! But he had some kind of seniority, so that's why they took his advice; not because he had any idea what he was talking about. Pam. -Original Message- From: Loy via Talk Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:07 PM To: Sky Mundell ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You! I have been a Window Eyes user since 2001 and it is a great screen reader and have not experienced the crashing you mentioned. And many people know about Window Eyes, it doesn't have as much of the market share as does JAWS and that is because government favors Freedom Scientific and usually doesn't give the client a choice of which screen reader they would like. - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell via Talk To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:41 PM Subject: RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You! Hi. I am sad to say that some, if not all people, are totally unfamiliar with Window-Eyes. I think one of the reasons is that many of them did try Window-Eyes when it became free with office but rejected it due to it crashing a lot and some people even found Window-Eyes droved them crazy. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:37 PM To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will Surprise You! Hi: Maybe the author of that article is not familiar with Window-eyes. By the way, how does Window-eyes work with Edge in the Windows 10 anniversary addition Kevin Huber On 8/10/16, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: > No mention of Window-eyes, eh? tisk tisk. > On 8/10/2016 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: >> The following article came from >> https://www.coolblindtech.com/ranking-screen-readers-in-windows10-ann >> iversary-update-the-results-will-surprise-you/ >> >> He seemed to leave out Window Eyes? >> >> Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results >> Will Surprise You! >> >> James Oates >> >> >> On August 9, 2016 >> >> In this article, I will attempt to review and rank three of the most >> popular current screen readers that are available at this time. The >> three screen readers were tested on the most recent version of >> Windows 10 anniversary update. This is important because one of the >> screen readers is Microsoft’s most recently updated Narrator. >> Although ranking the screen readers might prove to be quite >> controversial, I think it can also open up a real discussion on which >> screen readers are most accessible, and even the question of >> accessibility can sometimes be up for debate. I do realize that >> accessibility is determined by personal needs and preferences, so I >> will attempt to define the criteria I used for accessibility in this review. >> >> What Is Accessibility? >> >> Quite simply, I determined that accessibility is the ability to >> access that which needs to be accessed. Also, I take points off >> accessibility for the screen readers that make it difficult to access >> material by being dysfunctional or by making it very difficult to >> figure out which keystrokes need to be used with the material. Some >> screen readers make you use ridiculous key combinations to activate >> website elements or functions within applications. So without further ado, here are the rankings! >> >> Number One: Microsoft Narrator! >> >> It took me about a day to get used to the screen reader, but once I >> did, I realized what a powerful tool Microsoft had created and that >> the company was finally serious about supporting a built-in screen >> reader for the blind. In fact, the only thing I could find wrong with >> the screen reader was that it did not work with my braille display. I >> am currently working with Microsoft and HIMS to see if this problem >> can be resolved. Besides that one issue, the screen reader was fully >> accessible on all websites and applications. I tested the screen >> readers on Microsoft Edge, Internet Explorer,
Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You!
I have been a Window Eyes user since 2001 and it is a great screen reader and have not experienced the crashing you mentioned. And many people know about Window Eyes, it doesn't have as much of the market share as does JAWS and that is because government favors Freedom Scientific and usually doesn't give the client a choice of which screen reader they would like. - Original Message - From: Sky Mundell via Talk To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:41 PM Subject: RE: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update:The Results Will Surprise You! Hi. I am sad to say that some, if not all people, are totally unfamiliar with Window-Eyes. I think one of the reasons is that many of them did try Window-Eyes when it became free with office but rejected it due to it crashing a lot and some people even found Window-Eyes droved them crazy. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 1:37 PM To: Chris Skarstad; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results Will Surprise You! Hi: Maybe the author of that article is not familiar with Window-eyes. By the way, how does Window-eyes work with Edge in the Windows 10 anniversary addition Kevin Huber On 8/10/16, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote: > No mention of Window-eyes, eh? tisk tisk. > On 8/10/2016 9:38 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: >> The following article came from >> https://www.coolblindtech.com/ranking-screen-readers-in-windows10-ann >> iversary-update-the-results-will-surprise-you/ >> >> He seemed to leave out Window Eyes? >> >> Ranking Screen Readers In Windows10 Anniversary Update: The Results >> Will Surprise You! >> >> James Oates >> >> >> On August 9, 2016 >> >> In this article, I will attempt to review and rank three of the most >> popular current screen readers that are available at this time. The >> three screen readers were tested on the most recent version of >> Windows 10 anniversary update. This is important because one of the >> screen readers is Microsoft’s most recently updated Narrator. >> Although ranking the screen readers might prove to be quite >> controversial, I think it can also open up a real discussion on which >> screen readers are most accessible, and even the question of >> accessibility can sometimes be up for debate. I do realize that >> accessibility is determined by personal needs and preferences, so I >> will attempt to define the criteria I used for accessibility in this review. >> >> What Is Accessibility? >> >> Quite simply, I determined that accessibility is the ability to >> access that which needs to be accessed. Also, I take points off >> accessibility for the screen readers that make it difficult to access >> material by being dysfunctional or by making it very difficult to >> figure out which keystrokes need to be used with the material. Some >> screen readers make you use ridiculous key combinations to activate >> website elements or functions within applications. So without further ado, here are the rankings! >> >> Number One: Microsoft Narrator! >> >> It took me about a day to get used to the screen reader, but once I >> did, I realized what a powerful tool Microsoft had created and that >> the company was finally serious about supporting a built-in screen >> reader for the blind. In fact, the only thing I could find wrong with >> the screen reader was that it did not work with my braille display. I >> am currently working with Microsoft and HIMS to see if this problem >> can be resolved. Besides that one issue, the screen reader was fully >> accessible on all websites and applications. I tested the screen >> readers on Microsoft Edge, Internet Explorer, Groove Music, Skype, >> Dropbox, Microsoft Word, Audacity, Feedback, and the Settings app. >> Narrator now uses something called scan mode. You can toggle this on >> and off by pressing caps lock and space bar. When scan mode is off, >> you can tab through active elements, use Windows keyboard commands, >> and navigate by means of your preferred preference; such as, items, >> headings, and paragraphs. When scan mode is on, you can navigate >> through everything on the screen—that includes text, website >> elements, and application controls—by using the tab key, arrowing >&g
