Re: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader?
I have Qread, and when I open a file, it puts a file in the Qread directory no matter where the original file is located. -Original Message- From: David via Talk Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:46 AM To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader? Sorry, but have never seen the behavior of creating loads of files, that you describe. Mine opens the file - no matter what way I do it - leaves the folder untouched, and does its job. Not sure, but maybe your settings - either in QRead, or somewhere on your system - could affect this. Contacting the developer might be one lane to follow. As for the licensing point of yours, yeh well, I could agree in one way. Don't know if the developer offers any multi-licensing for the users with more than one computer; which in practical terms would mean most users now aday. One big issue with licensing of multiple computers, is how to control it. If you give out one license key, for the user to use on all his machines, and he now shares it with his nextdoor - how will you know? In that way, your license key can be spread all over. You can do what some manufacturers do, let the computer go online every time it is turned on, and check the license key up against your database. But the solution demands you always are connected to the net, when you want run the software. We don't like that kind of licensing, do we? The alternative, could be that you as a user will be allowed a certain number of user-keys, as part of your license, and you use one key on each machine. Many developers follow that route, and maybe it is the most safe and smooth route. Big question then is, do you ask full price for each and every key, or do you give the user what is known as a site-license, meaning that he can receive a given number of keys to use on his personal systems. Like I said, don't know if QRead has that arrangement. BTW, you mentioned Window-eyes in here. Mind you, that in the Americas you have a personal license, that lets you install on how many computers you want. If I, who live outside America, want a license for the English version of WE, I am only entitled to something like five computers, before my license will be gone. If I want unlimited license, I will have to go for the locale version of the screen reader. So I don't know, in the big picture here, if GW (or VFO, I guess), are that much better on licensing after all. Point here is, that licensing is a big bite to eat for most users, and even bigger to cook for the developer. The day when all people will be honest, and there does exist no such thing as business, we will ditch all licensing issues. What a day that will be! David On 9/10/2016 6:01 PM, Butch Bussen wrote: I have used qread, but one sstrange thing it does for meis if I right click on a file in a folder and tell qread to open it, qread creates all kinds of junk, its own files in the same folder. It is really a mess and for that reason I don't use it. If i open the file from within qread itself, I don't have this problem. I don't have a problem with paying for software if I like it, but I want to be able to use it on several machines and not have to buy a key for each machine. I have various computers all over the house on a network that do various th things. One of the many reasons I like window-eyes. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, David via Talk wrote: May I just remind you all, that the all-accessible software QREAD, does read PDF Files. Often with better result than the Adobe software. Yes, I do have both on my machine, but has set QRead to be the standard software to open any PDF files. QRead is not freeware, but the price is affordable. Think it was something like 20 or 30 dollars. And since it lets me read certain documents that Adobe does not handle satisfyingly I feel the price is worth the money. As already stated, whether anything beneficial or not, PDF has become the industry standard of everything now aday. Consequently, we just have to deal with it. Unfortunately PDF has no real standard in setting up things, and could hold both written and scanned text, along with graphics, drawings, photos and logos. Not to mention all the troublesome layouts with multiple columns, text written around the pictures and so forth. And, the PDF can be made non-accessible. But other than that, except from all the drawbacks, I guess the format is good enough. hahahaha. Since we cannot get around the format, we have to get a way to bite it. And therefore a software like QRead is a good tool in your toolbox. Since it is a stand-alone program, it will not be messed up by strange new ideas from Adobe, long as they don't affect new documents. From what I remember, the upgrades of QRead are free of charge. You want to have a look at the program, search for it on the net, or come back and let's see if we can dig out the homepage for you. All just to remind
Re: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader?
I have used qread, but one sstrange thing it does for meis if I right click on a file in a folder and tell qread to open it, qread creates all kinds of junk, its own files in the same folder. It is really a mess and for that reason I don't use it. If i open the file from within qread itself, I don't have this problem. I don't have a problem with paying for software if I like it, but I want to be able to use it on several machines and not have to buy a key for each machine. I have various computers all over the house on a network that do various th things. One of the many reasons I like window-eyes. 73 Butch WA0VJR Node 3148 Wallace, ks. On Fri, 9 Sep 2016, David via Talk wrote: May I just remind you all, that the all-accessible software QREAD, does read PDF Files. Often with better result than the Adobe software. Yes, I do have both on my machine, but has set QRead to be the standard software to open any PDF files. QRead is not freeware, but the price is affordable. Think it was something like 20 or 30 dollars. And since it lets me read certain documents that Adobe does not handle satisfyingly I feel the price is worth the money. As already stated, whether anything beneficial or not, PDF has become the industry standard of everything now aday. Consequently, we just have to deal with it. Unfortunately PDF has no real standard in setting up things, and could hold both written and scanned text, along with graphics, drawings, photos and logos. Not to mention all the troublesome layouts with multiple columns, text written around the pictures and so forth. And, the PDF can be made non-accessible. But other than that, except from all the drawbacks, I guess the format is good enough. hahahaha. Since we cannot get around the format, we have to get a way to bite it. And therefore a software like QRead is a good tool in your toolbox. Since it is a stand-alone program, it will not be messed up by strange new ideas from Adobe, long as they don't affect new documents. From what I remember, the upgrades of QRead are free of charge. You want to have a look at the program, search for it on the net, or come back and let's see if we can dig out the homepage for you. All just to remind you, there does exist alternatives to the main-stream. David On 9/9/2016 3:11 PM, Jo Talliaferro via Talk wrote: Hi Grumpy Dave, I think PDF files are kind of like the standard so that people can view them on whatever device they have. I think pdf stands for: Portable Document file...not certain but it then allows people to save or convert it to whatever is best for them. And...Grumpy Jo says that it's easier to add all the little graphics, pictures to the document. Not my favorite, especially when not set up properly for a blind person. I don't want to install Adobe Reader DC but I guess I don't have much choice if, as is usual most of the time, I will do it to accommodate my sighted friends! Jo Taliaferro -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+soaringeagle7=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 9:53 AM To: A I Squared Support <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader? Hello, This might be a stupid question, but it isn't my first, or my last. What is the value of PDF files? Sure, you can Lock them so no one can alter them, but this can be done with Word files too. Over the years, in general, I have found reading PDF files to be a procedure that about 50 percent of the time, ended with undesirable results. I couldn't read all of the file, or page to the next page, or even read anything on screen. It was always a Crap Shoot when reading a PDF file sent from someone. Now, I do know that PDF has become common, and they are here to stay, but is there are real value to this type of file? And Adobe Reader, on any system I have ever installed it, is so slow, and basically a Pain in the Butt to use it. For years I have felt that Adobe had created a File Standard, that became popular in some Circles, and yet this new Standard was nothing all that Special, other than giving Adobe a bit more Cash Flow. So is there something that Adobe has created that is better than what can be done in MS Word? grumpy Dave who just reluctantly installed Adobe Reader DC to his new system. -- Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soaringeagle7%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinio
Re: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader?
Jo Taliaferro Hello, I did download Adobe acrobat DC it's on my machine and guess what came up when I had finished installing Adobe DC? Yes Microsoft edge and I do not want it there. How can I get rid of it? I to have you read but I have not used it much. I still think there's something wacky about my computer in windows 10. Yes, someone set it up for me and I'm not a happy camper… Thanks for the great information, Dave On Sep 9, 2016, at 1:25 PM, David <trailerda...@hotmail.com> wrote: May I just remind you all, that the all-accessible software QREAD, does read PDF Files. Often with better result than the Adobe software. Yes, I do have both on my machine, but has set QRead to be the standard software to open any PDF files. QRead is not freeware, but the price is affordable. Think it was something like 20 or 30 dollars. And since it lets me read certain documents that Adobe does not handle satisfyingly I feel the price is worth the money. As already stated, whether anything beneficial or not, PDF has become the industry standard of everything now aday. Consequently, we just have to deal with it. Unfortunately PDF has no real standard in setting up things, and could hold both written and scanned text, along with graphics, drawings, photos and logos. Not to mention all the troublesome layouts with multiple columns, text written around the pictures and so forth. And, the PDF can be made non-accessible. But other than that, except from all the drawbacks, I guess the format is good enough. hahahaha. Since we cannot get around the format, we have to get a way to bite it. And therefore a software like QRead is a good tool in your toolbox. Since it is a stand-alone program, it will not be messed up by strange new ideas from Adobe, long as they don't affect new documents. From what I remember, the upgrades of QRead are free of charge. You want to have a look at the program, search for it on the net, or come back and let's see if we can dig out the homepage for you. All just to remind you, there does exist alternatives to the main-stream. David > On 9/9/2016 3:11 PM, Jo Talliaferro via Talk wrote: > Hi Grumpy Dave, > I think PDF files are kind of like the standard so that people can view them > on whatever device they > have. I think pdf stands for: Portable Document file...not certain but it > then allows people to > save or convert it to whatever is best for them. And...Grumpy Jo says that > it's easier to add all > the little graphics, pictures to the document. Not my favorite, especially > when not set up properly > for a blind person. > > I don't want to install Adobe Reader DC but I guess I don't have much choice > if, as is usual most of > the time, I will do it to accommodate my sighted friends! > > Jo Taliaferro > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+soaringeagle7=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Dave > via Talk > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 9:53 AM > To: A I Squared Support <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader? > > Hello, > > This might be a stupid question, but it isn't my first, or my last. > > What is the value of PDF files? > > Sure, you can Lock them so no one can alter them, but this can be done with > Word files too. > > Over the years, in general, I have found reading PDF files to be a procedure > that about 50 percent > of the time, ended with undesirable results. I couldn't read all of the > file, or page to the next > page, or even read anything on screen. > > It was always a Crap Shoot when reading a PDF file sent from someone. > > Now, I do know that PDF has become common, and they are here to stay, but is > there are real value to > this type of file? > > And Adobe Reader, on any system I have ever installed it, is so slow, and > basically a Pain in the > Butt to use it. > > For years I have felt that Adobe had created a File Standard, that became > popular in some Circles, > and yet this new Standard was nothing all that Special, other than giving > Adobe a bit more Cash > Flow. > > So is there something that Adobe has created that is better than what can be > done in MS Word? > > grumpy Dave > > who just reluctantly installed Adobe Reader DC to his new system. > > -- > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily > represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soaringeagle7%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com
Re: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader?
May I just remind you all, that the all-accessible software QREAD, does read PDF Files. Often with better result than the Adobe software. Yes, I do have both on my machine, but has set QRead to be the standard software to open any PDF files. QRead is not freeware, but the price is affordable. Think it was something like 20 or 30 dollars. And since it lets me read certain documents that Adobe does not handle satisfyingly I feel the price is worth the money. As already stated, whether anything beneficial or not, PDF has become the industry standard of everything now aday. Consequently, we just have to deal with it. Unfortunately PDF has no real standard in setting up things, and could hold both written and scanned text, along with graphics, drawings, photos and logos. Not to mention all the troublesome layouts with multiple columns, text written around the pictures and so forth. And, the PDF can be made non-accessible. But other than that, except from all the drawbacks, I guess the format is good enough. hahahaha. Since we cannot get around the format, we have to get a way to bite it. And therefore a software like QRead is a good tool in your toolbox. Since it is a stand-alone program, it will not be messed up by strange new ideas from Adobe, long as they don't affect new documents. From what I remember, the upgrades of QRead are free of charge. You want to have a look at the program, search for it on the net, or come back and let's see if we can dig out the homepage for you. All just to remind you, there does exist alternatives to the main-stream. David On 9/9/2016 3:11 PM, Jo Talliaferro via Talk wrote: > Hi Grumpy Dave, > I think PDF files are kind of like the standard so that people can view them > on whatever device they > have. I think pdf stands for: Portable Document file...not certain but it > then allows people to > save or convert it to whatever is best for them. And...Grumpy Jo says that > it's easier to add all > the little graphics, pictures to the document. Not my favorite, especially > when not set up properly > for a blind person. > > I don't want to install Adobe Reader DC but I guess I don't have much choice > if, as is usual most of > the time, I will do it to accommodate my sighted friends! > > Jo Taliaferro > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+soaringeagle7=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Dave > via Talk > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 9:53 AM > To: A I Squared Support <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader? > > Hello, > > This might be a stupid question, but it isn't my first, or my last. > > What is the value of PDF files? > > Sure, you can Lock them so no one can alter them, but this can be done with > Word files too. > > Over the years, in general, I have found reading PDF files to be a procedure > that about 50 percent > of the time, ended with undesirable results. I couldn't read all of the > file, or page to the next > page, or even read anything on screen. > > It was always a Crap Shoot when reading a PDF file sent from someone. > > Now, I do know that PDF has become common, and they are here to stay, but is > there are real value to > this type of file? > > And Adobe Reader, on any system I have ever installed it, is so slow, and > basically a Pain in the > Butt to use it. > > For years I have felt that Adobe had created a File Standard, that became > popular in some Circles, > and yet this new Standard was nothing all that Special, other than giving > Adobe a bit more Cash > Flow. > > So is there something that Adobe has created that is better than what can be > done in MS Word? > > grumpy Dave > > who just reluctantly installed Adobe Reader DC to his new system. > > -- > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily > represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soaringeagle7%40comcast.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. > For subscription options, visit > http
RE: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader?
Hi Grumpy Dave, I think PDF files are kind of like the standard so that people can view them on whatever device they have. I think pdf stands for: Portable Document file...not certain but it then allows people to save or convert it to whatever is best for them. And...Grumpy Jo says that it's easier to add all the little graphics, pictures to the document. Not my favorite, especially when not set up properly for a blind person. I don't want to install Adobe Reader DC but I guess I don't have much choice if, as is usual most of the time, I will do it to accommodate my sighted friends! Jo Taliaferro -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+soaringeagle7=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Dave via Talk Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 9:53 AM To: A I Squared Support <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Subject: The Real Value of PDF and Adobe Reader? Hello, This might be a stupid question, but it isn't my first, or my last. What is the value of PDF files? Sure, you can Lock them so no one can alter them, but this can be done with Word files too. Over the years, in general, I have found reading PDF files to be a procedure that about 50 percent of the time, ended with undesirable results. I couldn't read all of the file, or page to the next page, or even read anything on screen. It was always a Crap Shoot when reading a PDF file sent from someone. Now, I do know that PDF has become common, and they are here to stay, but is there are real value to this type of file? And Adobe Reader, on any system I have ever installed it, is so slow, and basically a Pain in the Butt to use it. For years I have felt that Adobe had created a File Standard, that became popular in some Circles, and yet this new Standard was nothing all that Special, other than giving Adobe a bit more Cash Flow. So is there something that Adobe has created that is better than what can be done in MS Word? grumpy Dave who just reluctantly installed Adobe Reader DC to his new system. -- Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net> ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/soaringeagle7%40comcast.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
