[OSM-talk] Avg speed per way
good morning! so - i just created a wiki page for the topic above. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Average_speed_per_way i would be glad if you'd share your information there. i am especially interested in the discussions (links) held before. gerhard gary68 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Android OSM Navigation (AndNav.org)
Hi guys, we've just finished a neat new feature for AndNav2. You can now submit Nodes (POIs) directly from AndNav2 to the OSM-Server. Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/344556532 If you didn't yet know, we also support FreeThePostCode and OpenStreetBugs through their APIs. So AndNav2 is becoming pretty handsome for the modern mapper ;) Android-Device owners can download the latest version on here: http://www.andnav.org/index.php/en/download Happy mapping :) Best Regards, Nicolas & Pascal Am 13.12.2008 18:25, schrieb plusmi...@anddev.org: > Hi Frederik, > > I accidentally left that sentence there, sorry. > The current plan is to make AndNav2 free and supported by ads ( > http://ads.andnav.org/ ). > We are currently searching for hardware-sponsors, because the server Pascal's > services are running on can cover only the big countries of Europe ( > http://coverage.andnav.org/ ). > > Regarding the OpenSource-Part: > There is a "MapView"-Component tightly built inside of Android, which > displays Google-MapTiles just like on maps.google.com . > My OpenSource-Part is placed on here: ( http://code.google.com/p/osmdroid/ ) > and is a full 'replacement' for the Google-MapView class, with some additions. > > It supports panning, zooming, Screen-->Geo& Geo-->Screen Transformation, > Rotation, MiniMaps, Overlays, MapTile-Caching to SD-Card etc... > Its free for use and licensed under GPLv3. > > Best Regards, > Nicolas > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Shp2osm progress?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: > Hi, wondering if there is any progress on the script? > I'm looking to make the wiki more simpiler to show the process. > I downloaded python, but im lost as to how to make it work. There are a couple others, but take a look at my Java app here: http://redmine.yellowbkpk.com/projects/list_files/geo You can use it to convert shapefiles to osm. There is a readme included in the zip file. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Any oziexplorer CE users in here? Help required
Hi, I am currently trying out oziexplorer on my my c320 It loads up fine, runs fine, but there is a slight problem. It does not load up the maps automatically. I basically use taho.pl to download multiple map and png files, after which I use the img2oxzf3 script to convert the date into the format the oziexplorerCE can understand. After that I copy the maps to the maps folder in oziexplorer installation. After that I fire up oziexplorer, and get gps fix, but even in moving map mode it does not pick up the required map. I have to manually load the map file for the said area, and its a tad big annoying. from the oziexplorer docs it should be automatically be picking up the required map file as I move across the regions. Anybody got around to that? If anybody among you is successful in doing so, please let me know the steps. I don't own oziexplorer, and am not planning to buy the PC version, but only the Windows CE version. So if your steps involve just stuff like taho,pl and img2ozfx3 script etc., it will be great! Tanveer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: Interesting Project
GPS tracks of skiing in the backcountry, helicopters and ski areas. http://www.avalanchemapping.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Shp2osm progress?
Hi, wondering if there is any progress on the script? I'm looking to make the wiki more simpiler to show the process. I downloaded python, but im lost as to how to make it work. Thanks, Sam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
2009/2/11 Someoneelse : > One thing that might be useful would be some sort of "My OSM" or a > "saved play mode" feature* - Now, that would be an interesting idea - being able to access all your edits and the history of these in one place. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] SVN rails_port questions: browse, relicensing
Simone Cortesi wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> But could you perhaps check your code and see whether you have an option >> in there that allows the user not only to select agree/disagree but also >> the third option, "agree and PD". And if such an option is not in there, >> could you perhaps ask those who told you to implement the plan whether >> or not this is by design. If they say "yes, we left that out on purpose >> but we don't want anybody to know at this time", then just leave it at >> that and I'll hit them over the head at the next AGM. But if they should >> say "oh, we forgot about that and yes we thing it is a good idea, let's >> have the feature", then just add the feature. > > By the way: does it sound too stupid to wait until next AGM or SOTM to > decide something on the new licence? Is there any real reason to do > this *right now* in hurry? or can we happily wait few months? You need to address those questions to the Foundation - I don't know anything more than you do as I haven't seen any drafts of the license that you haven't. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
> ... But, are there any > elements in their user interface that are nice to have (if they work > right)? I didn't get that far, to be honest. If it helps, the things that I found confusing about Potlatch 6 months or so ago were the same things that have been discussed here before - "where's the "save" button" and "what do those icons without any text next to them on screen do"? That was the point that following the link labelled "help" seemed to be a really good idea... One thing that might be useful would be some sort of "My OSM" or a "saved play mode" feature* - add stuff in a basic editor, but don't commit it to be part of the main map until you're happy that you haven't messed something up. That way someone needn't be scared of accidentally deleting stuff by pressing the wrong button. A combination of finger trouble at my end and slow response from the server once caused me to delete most of the A9 in Scotland once - luckily I found "undo" before anyone fell into the sea, but it could have been embarrassing. I can imagine how something like Google Mapmaker might be useful for tracing stuff from Google "satellite" photos. The OSM equivalent I suppose would be tracing from Yahoo aerial photos, but at least where I live that's only useful for the largest features (woods, mainly). NPE's useful up to a point, but locally colliery closures, railway removals, opencast mining and new industrial estates means that it's just another historical document. So, to a lesser extent, is the local OS Explorer map - that has a few large areas of blank space on it where a former colliery site has been opencasted or land restored. Mind you, it was the fact that OS maps weren't reliable locally that lead me to store stuff as GPS POIs, which turn lead to OSM. *No, I've no idea how to implement this either. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009, Russ Nelson wrote: > All of these are protected uses of a copyrighted work. but not necessarily in every legal domain. This is the law in Au, and presumably in US, from where I believe you are writing, but we have no evidence from elsewhere provided yet. Case law in Au has taken a different turn from the written law and we are unsure where we actually stand. Accordingly, talk...@openstreetmap.org members are very cautious about using copyright work in the way you have described. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?
Russ, you're basically asking whether a PD source retains its PD status even if channeled through a number of probably non-PD services. This is no different from the question: If the OSM database is licensed "X", and if I put some data in there which is PD, can someone else then extract this from OSM as PD, or will he extract it as "X"? A co-worker of yours, CloudMade's very own Andy Allan, had this to say about the topic: "I'm not sure what makes you think that any data you take from the OpenStreetMap database could possibly not be covered by the CC-BY-SA license. [...] if a contributor (including bulk uploaders) is/are willing to *also* put a copy of their data into the public domain, then you should enquire from them to receive a copy of their data duly licensed [...] just because vast amounts of OSM data came from TIGER doesn't mean that any of that data in OSM is still public domain." (quotes from http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-general/2008-November/73.html) I am leaning towards your interpretation of things; PD stuff remains PD even if conveyed through non-PD means. However, be aware that if you extract information from USGS data as conveyed by Microsoft and still treat it as public domain, you would also have to agree to other people extracting TIGER information as conveyed by OpenStreetMap. (Also: What if Microsoft insert Easter Eggs and claim they're a work of art?) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
> The concept of an editor is already too complex for most people. > This guy searches for command buttons corresponding to it's > first desire: "add a road", or "add a cycleway", or "change road", Then let them add road (highway=road) and then let the "geeks" figure out if it is secondary, residential, unclassified or whatever... Maybe add some "complete novice" mode in potlatch, with things like "add road", "add river" ... I guess no more than 15 functions ... and perhaps make it a bit foolproof, so users won't accidentally move existing roads by dragging ways/nodes elsewhere when clicking on the map furiously. Maybe the last button in row would be to enter "expert mode", aka old potlatch Perhaps change the "created_by" to "Potlatch novice mode" or alike for data created in the novice mode, so we can spot bugs created by inexperienced users easier. Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] SVN rails_port questions: browse, relicensing
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > But could you perhaps check your code and see whether you have an option > in there that allows the user not only to select agree/disagree but also > the third option, "agree and PD". And if such an option is not in there, > could you perhaps ask those who told you to implement the plan whether > or not this is by design. If they say "yes, we left that out on purpose > but we don't want anybody to know at this time", then just leave it at > that and I'll hit them over the head at the next AGM. But if they should > say "oh, we forgot about that and yes we thing it is a good idea, let's > have the feature", then just add the feature. By the way: does it sound too stupid to wait until next AGM or SOTM to decide something on the new licence? Is there any real reason to do this *right now* in hurry? or can we happily wait few months? Can't we live in peace with CC-BY-SA up until summer? -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Okay to trace from public-domain USGS DOQs?
Is it okay to trace into OSM from the public-domain USGS Topographic and DOQ (Digital Orthographic Quads) aerial imagery? I think the answer there should be clearly "yes". Now let me ask a question whose answer I think is still "yes". What if those tiles came from Microsoft's Terraserver-USA WMS service (http://Terraservice.net ) ? Specifically, these two URLs: http://terraservice.net/ogcmap.ashx?version=1.1.1&request=GetMap&Layers=DOQ&Styles=&SRS=EPSG:4326&format=image/jpeg&; http://terraservice.net/ogcmap.ashx?version=1.1.1&request=GetMap&Layers=DRG&Styles=&SRS=EPSG:4326&format=image/jpeg&; I'm not a lawyer, but here's the theory that I think applies: There are no Microsoft trademarks in the WMS images, so trademark law does not apply (the tiles are marked "USGS"). There is no opportunity for contract formation -- not even a clickthrough -- so contract law does not apply. Thus, we need consider only copyright law. You can only claim a copyright on a creative work. You cannot claim a copyright on a public-domain work to which you have applied no creativity. Westlaw has managed to claim a copyright on their page numbering scheme for public-domain law (they do this because legal citations make reference to page numbers; this is their franchise). Microsoft may possibly make a similar claim that the exact tiling offset they have chosen is not merely the natural tiling one would pick for tiles in a grid, but instead they have chosen one method out of many others for its grace and beauty. I suspect, instead, that zero is at zero, making any claims of creativity suspect. It's possible that the tiles are warped in a creative manner. I know of nobody who has ever noticed that; and it would be noticeable. It's technically feasible that they have modified the tiles by color-shifting, but there's no evidence of that. But let's say that that theory is wrong, and Microsoft has a strong copyright claim to the tiles. I'm not proposing that anybody redistribute, or even publicly perform the tiles. I'm proposing that people use the tiles to extract facts about the world embodied by the original public-domain USGS works. No portion of whatever theoretical changes Microsoft has made will be carried through. The tiles, once examined, are discarded, and no portion of them is incorporated into OSM. But let's say that THAT theory is also wrong (belt & suspenders). Microsoft has given an implicit license to use the works for analysis, criticism, and commentary. But that is exactly what OSM users are doing. Tagging is "commentary". If there is any creativity to be found in the tiles, then the analysis will turn to criticism. All of these are protected uses of a copyrighted work. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Someoneelse writes: > Maybe something more akin to "openstreetbugs plus a simple guided way to > add one feature at a time" should be integrated into OSM, but I wouldn't > use GMM as an example except of what not to do! We certainly should not try to emulate their bugs. But, are there any elements in their user interface that are nice to have (if they work right)? Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Someoneelse wrote: > Maybe something more akin to "openstreetbugs plus a simple guided way to > add one feature at a time" should be integrated into OSM, but I wouldn't > use GMM as an example except of what not to do! > Maybe it's because I read the initial blog post on the Google Blog about it a while ago, but it seemed clear to me that they only let you create map features in countries that are listed on the page of supported areas. The US and UK are definitely not in those areas. In the areas that are supported, the user interface is quite abstract, but once you get the hang of it I could see how it would be very quick. One thing that I'd like to see in any newbie-editor for OSM is a "create road" button that would ask for road name and type. The user could then expand into "advanced options" if they wanted to apply speed limit or what not. Their review process is pretty interesting, too. In some areas, any single change has to be reviewed by at least 2 people -- one of which is supposed to have local knowledge of the area. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
I had a look at Google Mapmaker as well (I'd not used it before either). Frankly, it seems a bit pants: When trying to use it it asked me to "Please zoom in to browse features in the current map view" but on the same screen said "We are sorry, but we don't have maps at this zoom level for this region. Try zooming out for a broader look". Clearly something is wrong, but from reading the screen I've no idea what. The two strange buttons below the "browse" text on the map don't seem to do anything - presumably nothing has been added locally or I'm not allowed to edit here for some reason? There's an on-screen link that says "160+ countries editable in Google Map Maker" which goes to a page which lists about 100 (but not the UK or US), but DOES list them on a slippy map above? Attempting to outline a feature (Pride Park in Derby, England, FWIW) gives a "failed to create feature" error and a search of the site for that text offers no help. I presume what's happening is that they're using Google Mapmaker where they know that their existing maps are a bit rubbish - a quick check of Bulawayo suggests that that might be the case. That certainly seemed to have more roads and features than the OSM map of Bulawayo did - or at least it did until the browser page froze with a "loading..." message. Maybe something more akin to "openstreetbugs plus a simple guided way to add one feature at a time" should be integrated into OSM, but I wouldn't use GMM as an example except of what not to do! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
I had never played with it, so I gave it a quick try, and it's probably a bit easier to use than potlatch. Here's what they say in their help page: http://sites.google.com/site/mapmakeruserhelp/making-maps But I think that the way it works, while good for beginners, is probably slow and frustrating for advanced users, and this is where potlatch probably surpasses gmm. I'm pretty sure that offering a beginner and advanced users interface could be done and some suggestions I've read in this thread seemed sensible. Just my $.02 Yann Le 11 févr. 09 à 18:33, Matthias Julius a écrit : > Claudius Henrichs writes: > >> Am 11.02.2009 13:18, Gert Gremmen: >>> Kenneth: does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? >>> Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone >>> having internet ??? >> >> *cough* http://www.google.com/mapmaker *cough* > > And the thing is that Mapmaker is probably known to more people than > OSM expectations of beginners will be for our editor to work just the > same than Mapmaker. And if Mapmaker has an Add Road button (don't > know it myself) people expect one here, too. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Map Warper
2009/2/11 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Tim Waters (chippy) > wrote: >> I'd like to announce the release of the latest Map Warper image >> rectifier application, designed with OSM in mind. >> http://warper.geothings.net/ > > Firstly thanks for working on this, it's a very useful application > which makes it very easy to use third-party bitmap maps to import into > OSM. > >> You may have seen or used the older application, this one has got a >> few more bells and whistles, including: >>* Search for maps. >>* Users & "MyMaps". (no need to sign up to use it) >>* Image cropping. >>* Control Point editing. >>* Calculation of RMS errors. >>* Export in different formats. >>* Activity feeds. >> >> More info: http://thinkwhere.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/new-map-warper/ >> >> Caveats: It will rescale large images (over 1500x1500), but it also >> makes things work much faster. It is ultra-beta and undergoing active >> development, so expect bugs and things not to work, but for most uses >> it should work fine. Let me know if you encounter any such things. >> If you have any existing WMS links from the older version, they will >> still work and I've also imported the existing maps, and control >> points. If you sign up and want to "own" a map you previously >> uploaded, let me know. >> >> Features planned include serving the rectified maps as tiles, adding >> tags, making maps private, making the KML export better, and >> incorporating GeoRSS feeds. Again, feel free to drop me a line if you >> have a good idea for a new feature, or if you'd like to hack on it. > > These new features are very useful, especially the ones to do with > user accounts, it's nice to have a list of your maps instead of just > adding them to one giant pool. > > I think the map rectifier is a bit less intuitive than in the previous > version. I used to be able to double click on either map which would > add a new rectification point and then do the same with the other map, > but now one has to switch between the Add point/Move point/Move map > tools to move around the map. This has the advantage of being able to > double click on the map in move mode without adding points (and > probably something else I'm missing). But switching between the > different modes took me bit longer using this method. Yes, I'd agree with you there, the reasoning is that people tend to use double click to zoom in, but I think that double clicking should make it a bit easier. Will look into it. > Also, being able to download GeoTiff from the application is a very > useful feature, but does it also support GeoTiff uploads? That would > enable moving maps between installations and using this as a easy to > set up WMS for misc GeoTiff files. At the moment, I don't think it likes geotiff files that have already been rectified, but you could try with a small one... Anyhow, the approach I would take is to strip out any original geo tags from the image, and so you would have to add a few control points and warp it again. It's not really meant to be a WMS host for ready made GeoTiff files, but I may put a simple upload-a-tif-and-host-it service anyhow, as you are not the first person to ask for this. (JOSM import support for reading geotiffs would rock). > The biggest disadvantage of this tool is still being limited by the > size of maps you can upload. I have several ~6000x~5000 pixel maps I'd > like to have access to over WMS, each around 12 MB[1]. Is there any > reason for this limitation other than preventing the application from > taking over resources on your server? Or is it a limitation of some > library you're working with? Yes, this is Dreamhost, they have a script that will terminate processes using a lot of CPU or RAM, so I can add a couple of restrictions (file size and image dimensions). You may like to have a look at another deploy over at http://warper.freemap.in for larger files. We're going to be warping 800mb tifs soon... here, the main limitation is that you can expect http timeouts for very large uploads. Cheers! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Claudius Henrichs writes: > Am 11.02.2009 13:18, Gert Gremmen: >> Kenneth: >>> does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? >> Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone >> having internet ??? > > *cough* http://www.google.com/mapmaker *cough* And the thing is that Mapmaker is probably known to more people than OSM expectations of beginners will be for our editor to work just the same than Mapmaker. And if Mapmaker has an Add Road button (don't know it myself) people expect one here, too. Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
There was some discussion of this at the hack weekend see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2nd_International_OSM_Hack_Weekend and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/APIzza_0.6 If I remember right the integration of an OSB interface would come after 0.6 was complete. So the earliest that we can expect the start of implementation would be April, after the bugs from the 0.6 api upgrade are ironed out. Shaun On 11 Feb 2009, at 16:15, Renaud Martinet wrote: > I thought that last summer after SOTM, there was some desire to build > a system similar to OSB but integrated to the main site and > opensource. There was even a talk about having a hack weekend (or > day?) in London but unfortunately I can't find any trace of it. > It probably disappeared due to the pressing issues linked to API 0.6. > > > Renaud. > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Map Warper
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: > I'd like to announce the release of the latest Map Warper image > rectifier application, designed with OSM in mind. > http://warper.geothings.net/ Firstly thanks for working on this, it's a very useful application which makes it very easy to use third-party bitmap maps to import into OSM. > You may have seen or used the older application, this one has got a > few more bells and whistles, including: >* Search for maps. >* Users & "MyMaps". (no need to sign up to use it) >* Image cropping. >* Control Point editing. >* Calculation of RMS errors. >* Export in different formats. >* Activity feeds. > > More info: http://thinkwhere.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/new-map-warper/ > > Caveats: It will rescale large images (over 1500x1500), but it also > makes things work much faster. It is ultra-beta and undergoing active > development, so expect bugs and things not to work, but for most uses > it should work fine. Let me know if you encounter any such things. > If you have any existing WMS links from the older version, they will > still work and I've also imported the existing maps, and control > points. If you sign up and want to "own" a map you previously > uploaded, let me know. > > Features planned include serving the rectified maps as tiles, adding > tags, making maps private, making the KML export better, and > incorporating GeoRSS feeds. Again, feel free to drop me a line if you > have a good idea for a new feature, or if you'd like to hack on it. These new features are very useful, especially the ones to do with user accounts, it's nice to have a list of your maps instead of just adding them to one giant pool. I think the map rectifier is a bit less intuitive than in the previous version. I used to be able to double click on either map which would add a new rectification point and then do the same with the other map, but now one has to switch between the Add point/Move point/Move map tools to move around the map. This has the advantage of being able to double click on the map in move mode without adding points (and probably something else I'm missing). But switching between the different modes took me bit longer using this method. Also, being able to download GeoTiff from the application is a very useful feature, but does it also support GeoTiff uploads? That would enable moving maps between installations and using this as a easy to set up WMS for misc GeoTiff files. The biggest disadvantage of this tool is still being limited by the size of maps you can upload. I have several ~6000x~5000 pixel maps I'd like to have access to over WMS, each around 12 MB[1]. Is there any reason for this limitation other than preventing the application from taking over resources on your server? Or is it a limitation of some library you're working with? > Incidentally, what do we think about using Google's Satellite View for > helping to rectify our maps? > [...] Ask the lawyer droids over on legal-talk ?:) 1. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Uppdráttr_Íslands_(1844) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Proposed Feature/Marketplace coming up, please help me polish this.
Hi After seeing a discussion on talk-br, I found that we are missing a tag for outdoor marketplaces, and made a proposal at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Marketplace If you could help me get this polished so that we can have it voted for quickly, as this is a feature we need to get in. Most countries have some form or another of this, whether it is a farmers market, a market for crafted goods, or souvenir shops on the street. -- Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
I agree with Gert on the fact that 'the concept is good for geeks' but it IS time to create a user interface for the rest of the world. I have held a few mapping parties, trying to get more hikers, cyclists, retired folk who love maps, involved with OSM but with the barrier that OSM isn't user friendly for these folks. One small example on Potlatch would be the light grey on white background-- for most, this gives the look of 'inactive'. Also, the icons are small and it's not 'obvious' that one must click on the car icon to change it to a person, to a boat (etc.) to change to type of feature you are tagging. Yes! There is the wiki and it is very, very helpful... but also remember that the average attention span is about 2.2 seconds, and if it isn't seriously simple, we lose people... There's more from where this comes... and I'd be happy to pass it on to the OSM community or to the appropriate person! I would love to be involved with helping build a great 'user friendly' editor for the 'rest of the world' :) Hurricane Hurricane McEwen Central Mountain Community Ambassador hurric...@cloudmade.com skype: hurricanecloudmade twitter: hurricanemcewen On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:31 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Gert Gremmen wrote: The current concept is good for geeks , like you and me, and people that are really interested. The geeks are on-board (> 1). Now it's time to create a user interface for the rest of the world. Yes, I agree absolutely (wow, Gert and I agree on something :) ). http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2008-July/010994.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-November/ 031778.html Kenneth: does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone having internet ??? Yes on both counts: Google MapMaker. I personally don't want to write the editing interface that the rest of the world uses, and it's slightly insane that somehow I've ended up doing so (or, at least, what we have so far) - I mean, I'm not even a programmer, I'm a magazine editor with not a whole lot of free time. If future- Potlatch were to become _an_ editor available on the main site rather than _the_ editor, I'd be very happy. Of course, CloudMade might already be working on this - can anyone from CM confirm/otherwise? Would help the rest of us in knowing what to do next. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OSM-on-The-Reg-tp21951170p21953743.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Hurricane McEwen Central Mountain Community Ambassador hurric...@cloudmade.com skype: hurricanecloudmade twitter: hurricanemcewen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
I thought that last summer after SOTM, there was some desire to build a system similar to OSB but integrated to the main site and opensource. There was even a talk about having a hack weekend (or day?) in London but unfortunately I can't find any trace of it. It probably disappeared due to the pressing issues linked to API 0.6. Renaud. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Adam Schreiber wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Kærast wrote: >> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0500 >> Adam Schreiber wrote: >> >> >>> I agree, there should be some slight barrier to entry in which the >>> mapper learns about communitty standards for adding data, especially >>> dervied data. The reason Google's MyMaps can allow just about >>> anything is that it isn't added to the main map. Even location edits >>> aren't pushed out until they're reviewed. We need to decide whether >>> or not we will accept the burden of checking all edits made by drive >>> by mappers. >>> >> >> So then can't we do something similar? Add a big button somewhere >> linking to open street bugs, ask people where they are getting their >> information from when they add a bug, possibly give them the ability to >> add in more than a single node? > > We certainly can, but that wasn't what was being discussed. At the > moment IIRC, OpenStreetBugs isn't free software and we can't tightly > integrate with it as much as we might like because of that. > > Cheers, > > Adam > >> Alice >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Am 11.02.2009 13:18, Gert Gremmen: > Kenneth: >> does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? > Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone > having internet ??? *cough* http://www.google.com/mapmaker *cough* btw. They have expanded the list of supported countries to 160 :-o Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Trafficman Map from Android]
A friend high-lighted this app, it isn't on the OSM wiki so perhaps people don't know about it Cheers, Mungewell. Original Message Hello, I just found an app TrafficManMaps For my google phone which allows me To see openstreetmaps conveniently And to send you this email from.the phone. John Following is Trafficman Map information. The map link url: http://maps.trafficmanmaps.com/trafficmanmapme_lat_49.568968_lon_-114.380067_zoom_17.html Map name: hillcrest mines, canada Map notes: Thank you. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Feb 11, 2009, at 6:37 AM, Gert Gremmen wrote: > I think he is representative for a lot newbies Probably. Been to Wikimapia.org lately? They now have shapes on their POI database. The method for drawing shapes is VERY simple. LIke this: o Click "Add place" o Move the corners of the box. o If you need another vertex, hover near the line and it creates a rubber-band line. Move the cursor far enough away and it stops rubber- banding. o Click on the vertices of the object. Of course, their job is easier because they're letting you trace Google Maps aerial photos. Plus they have no contributor agreement (last time I checked), so they don't own the data they've collected. It's a horrible bodge, but we can definitely take some usability ideas from them. They didn't acquire 9M POIs by being hard to use. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. Here's how to dream of it: ask a newbie what they expect. Write down the steps. Try to code them. If you can, you're done. If not, then go back and ask the newbie for more expectations. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:43 AM, David Earl wrote: > Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that. > Where did he get the location of his road from? Guessing, from where the other roads are? My thought about the OSM philosophy towards editing is "incremental improvements, always". If this would-be user put the road in a slightly wrong place, but with the correct road name, someone who came along afterwards with a GPS receiver could see that the road is misplaced, and could move it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Kærast wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0500 > Adam Schreiber wrote: > > >> I agree, there should be some slight barrier to entry in which the >> mapper learns about communitty standards for adding data, especially >> dervied data. The reason Google's MyMaps can allow just about >> anything is that it isn't added to the main map. Even location edits >> aren't pushed out until they're reviewed. We need to decide whether >> or not we will accept the burden of checking all edits made by drive >> by mappers. >> > > So then can't we do something similar? Add a big button somewhere > linking to open street bugs, ask people where they are getting their > information from when they add a bug, possibly give them the ability to > add in more than a single node? We certainly can, but that wasn't what was being discussed. At the moment IIRC, OpenStreetBugs isn't free software and we can't tightly integrate with it as much as we might like because of that. Cheers, Adam > Alice > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:08:05 -0500 Adam Schreiber wrote: > I agree, there should be some slight barrier to entry in which the > mapper learns about communitty standards for adding data, especially > dervied data. The reason Google's MyMaps can allow just about > anything is that it isn't added to the main map. Even location edits > aren't pushed out until they're reviewed. We need to decide whether > or not we will accept the burden of checking all edits made by drive > by mappers. > So then can't we do something similar? Add a big button somewhere linking to open street bugs, ask people where they are getting their information from when they add a bug, possibly give them the ability to add in more than a single node? -- Alice ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > If future-Potlatch were > to become _an_ editor available on the main site rather than _the_ editor, > I'd be very happy. > > Of course, CloudMade might already be working on this - can anyone from CM > confirm/otherwise? Would help the rest of us in knowing what to do next. After 0.6 is out, we're planning on working on OAuth support for the OSM website. This will, amongst other things, help promote having editors running on other websites without the third-party-website asking for OSM credentials. After that I want to figure out how to get a different version of Potlatch working on opencyclemap.org, especially with my own set of cycling-related presets. I think having even just multiple versions of Potlatch working on different websites will start relieving the pressure of there being _the_ editor. If we can get other people experimenting with Potlatch (or even Chris Schmidt's previous Openlayers-based editors) then we'll get more creativity, and then it's up to the community as to which one we pick out for the main website. I don't want there to be any compunction for online editor development being shackled to osm.org (which potlatch is at the moment, to a great extent). As for what I think you were really asking, we're really focussed on our release at the moment, but we're always interested in seeing what developments in editors there are. As well as advanced stuff (like Matt's terracing plugin he's been working on) we're also interested in the ultra-newbie editor stuff you're discussing here, but it's the enabling technologies like OAuth that we're actively working on/scheduling. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, David Earl wrote: > On 11/02/2009 12:05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:07:18 Gert Gremmen wrote: >>> An "Add Road" option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. >> >> does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? > > Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that. > Where did he get the location of his road from? I bet he didn't have a > GPS track, so would simply have been guessing (unless lucky enough to be > in a Yahoo coverage area and recognising his street). I agree, there should be some slight barrier to entry in which the mapper learns about communitty standards for adding data, especially dervied data. The reason Google's MyMaps can allow just about anything is that it isn't added to the main map. Even location edits aren't pushed out until they're reviewed. We need to decide whether or not we will accept the burden of checking all edits made by drive by mappers. Cheers, Adam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
> what about the rest of the road between the start and end? modify road - click for inserting angle/node or whatever sounds best modify road - click to add name / click to define road type (picture assisted)/ click for one-way / click for smoothness (;< After all, it's not difficult, just need to tell the people how ! a small window will have to attend all users to the OSM methods, and to the copyright issues. However, OSM -as all open structures- will always be subject to abuse users (abusers?) , hackers are smart enough to write their destruction bots, or even to illegally copy whole google into OSM ;<)) Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Kenneth Gonsalves Verzonden: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:54 PM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:10:32 Jonas Svensson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the > > interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' > > work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. > > Just guessing: > That kind of user might be looking for something like a "wizard": > click button "add road" -> show instruction "click start of road" -> show > instruction "click end of road" -> show instruction "enter name of road". what about the rest of the road between the start and end? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
For very simple editing, would it not be possible to use the vector features in openlayers? http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/vector-formats.html Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:10:32 Jonas Svensson wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >>> yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down >>> > the > >>> interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' >>> work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. >>> >> Just guessing: >> That kind of user might be looking for something like a "wizard": >> click button "add road" -> show instruction "click start of road" -> >> > show > >> instruction "click end of road" -> show instruction "enter name of >> > road". > > what about the rest of the road between the start and end? > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New Map Warper
Hi, I'd like to announce the release of the latest Map Warper image rectifier application, designed with OSM in mind. http://warper.geothings.net/ You may have seen or used the older application, this one has got a few more bells and whistles, including: * Search for maps. * Users & "MyMaps". (no need to sign up to use it) * Image cropping. * Control Point editing. * Calculation of RMS errors. * Export in different formats. * Activity feeds. More info: http://thinkwhere.wordpress.com/2009/02/10/new-map-warper/ Caveats: It will rescale large images (over 1500x1500), but it also makes things work much faster. It is ultra-beta and undergoing active development, so expect bugs and things not to work, but for most uses it should work fine. Let me know if you encounter any such things. If you have any existing WMS links from the older version, they will still work and I've also imported the existing maps, and control points. If you sign up and want to "own" a map you previously uploaded, let me know. Features planned include serving the rectified maps as tiles, adding tags, making maps private, making the KML export better, and incorporating GeoRSS feeds. Again, feel free to drop me a line if you have a good idea for a new feature, or if you'd like to hack on it. Uses OpenLayers, GDAL, Mapserver and RubyOnRails, source can be found http://svn2.geothings/net/mapwarper or http://github.com/timwaters/mapwarper Cheers, Tim Incidentally, what do we think about using Google's Satellite View for helping to rectify our maps? In the comments of Ed Parsons post http://www.edparsons.com/2008/10/who-map-is-it-anyway/ there was a discussion about Google's rights over things you make using their API, and I think Ed is making it clear that using the Satellite view to rectify images for this application would be quite OK, giving the similar use case of adding an image to Google Earth and I'm inclined to agree with him. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
> Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that. Or just trolling. It wouldn't be the first time on a Register comments page. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 18:10:32 Jonas Svensson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the > > interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' > > work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. > > Just guessing: > That kind of user might be looking for something like a "wizard": > click button "add road" -> show instruction "click start of road" -> show > instruction "click end of road" -> show instruction "enter name of road". what about the rest of the road between the start and end? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the > interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a > road' work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such > a thing. Have a look at Google MapMaker. We don't have to dumb down; we can offer both and give people the choice. Bear in mind that Potlatch was never originally meant to be an editor specially for beginners; it was meant to be something for _quick_ editing. The reasons I first wrote it were that (a) JOSM wouldn't work on my machine (OS X 10.3, so no Java 1.5), and (b) when I did use ye anciente JOSM, I thought "what the hell is this create node/create segment/create way shit? I want something that works like Illustrator". So I don't want to dumb Potlatch down, either. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OSM-on-The-Reg-tp21951170p21953996.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the > interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' > work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. Just guessing: That kind of user might be looking for something like a "wizard": click button "add road" -> show instruction "click start of road" -> show instruction "click end of road" -> show instruction "enter name of road". I know that there are a lot of details missing there. /Jonas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On 11/02/2009 12:05, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:07:18 Gert Gremmen wrote: >> An "Add Road" option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. > > does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Indeed, but his misunderstanding is even more fundamental than that. Where did he get the location of his road from? I bet he didn't have a GPS track, so would simply have been guessing (unless lucky enough to be in a Yahoo coverage area and recognising his street). David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Shaun McDonald wrote: > I have created: > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1584 for RichardF. :) Thanks. Of course, the other thing we could do is rescue the wiki from trainwreck territory. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OSM-on-The-Reg-tp21951170p21953758.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Gert Gremmen wrote: > The current concept is good for geeks , like you and me, > and people that are really interested. The geeks are on-board > (> 1). Now it's time to create a user interface for the rest > of the world. Yes, I agree absolutely (wow, Gert and I agree on something :) ). http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2008-July/010994.html http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-November/031778.html >Kenneth: > > does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? > Do you know any mapping application accessible for > everyone having internet ??? Yes on both counts: Google MapMaker. I personally don't want to write the editing interface that the rest of the world uses, and it's slightly insane that somehow I've ended up doing so (or, at least, what we have so far) - I mean, I'm not even a programmer, I'm a magazine editor with not a whole lot of free time. If future-Potlatch were to become _an_ editor available on the main site rather than _the_ editor, I'd be very happy. Of course, CloudMade might already be working on this - can anyone from CM confirm/otherwise? Would help the rest of us in knowing what to do next. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OSM-on-The-Reg-tp21951170p21953743.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:48:03 Gert Gremmen wrote: > Kenneth: > > does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? > > Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone > having internet ??? yes. OSM. And there is a limit to the extent that we can dumb down the interface without compromising usefulness. How would 'add a road' work? I cannot even begin to dream of how to code such a thing. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
>When you start potlatch there is a welcome screen with the options >start, play, and help. Once you are beyond that screen there is only >the "help & wiki" link in the left side bar, which doesn't point to >any useful help The concept of an editor is already too complex for most people. This guy searches for command buttons corresponding to it's first desire: "add a road", or "add a cycleway", or "change road", or "change name", not start or play or help. The current concept is good for geeks , like you and me, and people that are really interested. The geeks are on-board (> 1). Now it's time to create a user interface for the rest of the world. Kenneth: > does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? Do you know any mapping application accessible for everyone having internet ??? Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Shaun McDonald Verzonden: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:01 PM Aan: Talk Openstreetmap Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg On 11 Feb 2009, at 11:37, Gert Gremmen wrote: > On of the comments: > >> I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I >> registered, and tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all >> about the people adding the >roads, and I couldn't for the life of >> me work out how to add a road. >> An "Add Road" option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. (I >> managed to move a few other roads around accidentally while trying >> things, but I think >I managed not to save those changes.) >> I won't be going back. > > Here we see how a Newbie meets OSM : a missing "Add Road" option. > I think he is representative for a lot newbies > What can we learn from that > > (I suppose he tried Potlatch) > Could a few small help buttons with a label readin (add road) leading > to a basic help page do something for this guy ?? > Or could some macro system help him ? > > > When you start potlatch there is a welcome screen with the options start, play, and help. Once you are beyond that screen there is only the "help & wiki" link in the left side bar, which doesn't point to any useful help. I have created: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1584 for RichardF. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 17:07:18 Gert Gremmen wrote: > >I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I registered, and > > tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all about the people adding > > the >roads, and I couldn't for the life of me work out how to add a road. > > An "Add Road" option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. (I managed > > to move a few other roads around accidentally while trying things, but I > > think >I managed not to save those changes.) I won't be going back. > > Here we see how a Newbie meets OSM : a missing "Add Road" option. > I think he is representative for a lot newbies > What can we learn from that does *any* mapping app have an option like 'add road'? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On 11 Feb 2009, at 11:37, Gert Gremmen wrote: > On of the comments: > >> I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I >> registered, and tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all >> about the people adding the >roads, and I couldn't for the life of >> me work out how to add a road. >> An "Add Road" option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. (I >> managed to move a few other roads around accidentally while trying >> things, but I think >I managed not to save those changes.) >> I won't be going back. > > Here we see how a Newbie meets OSM : a missing "Add Road" option. > I think he is representative for a lot newbies > What can we learn from that > > (I suppose he tried Potlatch) > Could a few small help buttons with a label readin (add road) leading > to a basic help page do something for this guy ?? > Or could some macro system help him ? > > > When you start potlatch there is a welcome screen with the options start, play, and help. Once you are beyond that screen there is only the "help & wiki" link in the left side bar, which doesn't point to any useful help. I have created: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/1584 for RichardF. Shaun ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
On of the comments: >I took a look, and blow me down, my road was missing. So I registered, and >tried to add it. I failed. A project that's all about the people adding the >>roads, and I couldn't for the life of me work out how to add a road. >An "Add Road" option, maybe? Oooh no, nothing like that. (I managed to >move a few other roads around accidentally while trying things, but I think >I >managed not to save those changes.) >I won't be going back. Here we see how a Newbie meets OSM : a missing "Add Road" option. I think he is representative for a lot newbies What can we learn from that (I suppose he tried Potlatch) Could a few small help buttons with a label readin (add road) leading to a basic help page do something for this guy ?? Or could some macro system help him ? ert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Steve Chilton Verzonden: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:20 AM Aan: Ed Loach; D Tucny; Talk Openstreetmap Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg I am just waiting for David Earl or someone else to comment on the "firstness" statement! Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Educational Technology Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ _ From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Loach Sent: 11 February 2009 10:00 To: 'D Tucny'; 'Talk Openstreetmap' Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg I saw this yesterday and wondered why it took El Reg so long to report on this? The announcement made these mailing lists on 23rd December last year. Ed From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of D Tucny Sent: 11 February 2009 09:31 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/brum_map/ Couple of nice links there, both to the map and the home page... Comments in the comments section are largely at the same level of positiveness and understanding as is largely normal on the reg these days (read mostly negative)... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
I am just waiting for David Earl or someone else to comment on the "firstness" statement! Cheers STEVE Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Educational Technology Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk http://www.mdx.ac.uk/schools/hssc/staff/profiles/technical/chiltons.asp Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/ SoC conference 2008: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/cartographers08/ _ From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Loach Sent: 11 February 2009 10:00 To: 'D Tucny'; 'Talk Openstreetmap' Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg I saw this yesterday and wondered why it took El Reg so long to report on this? The announcement made these mailing lists on 23rd December last year. Ed From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of D Tucny Sent: 11 February 2009 09:31 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/brum_map/ Couple of nice links there, both to the map and the home page... Comments in the comments section are largely at the same level of positiveness and understanding as is largely normal on the reg these days (read mostly negative)... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
Interesting how a few of the comments echo the early Wikipedia criticisms, and miss the point about open data. 2009/2/11 Ed Loach : > I saw this yesterday and wondered why it took El Reg so long to report on > this? The announcement made these mailing lists on 23rd December last year. > > > > Ed > > > > From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] > On Behalf Of D Tucny > Sent: 11 February 2009 09:31 > To: Talk Openstreetmap > Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/brum_map/ > > > > Couple of nice links there, both to the map and the home page... > > > > Comments in the comments section are largely at the same level of > positiveness and understanding as is largely normal on the reg these days > (read mostly negative)... > > > > d > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
I saw this yesterday and wondered why it took El Reg so long to report on this? The announcement made these mailing lists on 23rd December last year. Ed From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of D Tucny Sent: 11 February 2009 09:31 To: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/brum_map/ Couple of nice links there, both to the map and the home page... Comments in the comments section are largely at the same level of positiveness and understanding as is largely normal on the reg these days (read mostly negative)... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM on The Reg
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/10/brum_map/ Couple of nice links there, both to the map and the home page... Comments in the comments section are largely at the same level of positiveness and understanding as is largely normal on the reg these days (read mostly negative)... d ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
