Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Madhav Vodnala]

>> I'm curious about your uses for this.  In what kind of situation would
>> somebody know a runway code but not what airport?  

if you download OSM data (using the API) within a bounding box, you will get
nodes,
ways, and relations within that bounding box. One of the ways
can be a runway. The airport node can be outside that bounding box.

Now in order to know the airport name, the bounding box
needs to padded up and the download API needs to be rerun.

This is exactly what am doing right now. It's not bad either, because
the second API call runs on my local OSM source which contains only the
airports.

I agree with your other notes. This is a very generic problem.
Not sure how others have solved this issue with other entities
you mentioned. 


Thanks
Madhav

-Original Message-
From: Alan Millar [mailto:a...@bolis.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 10:21 PM
To: Madhav Vodnala
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: RE: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

> All that runway 'way' XML contains is one tag
> that says it's a runway. The problem is there is no easy way to
> correlate a runway to its airport.

This is a generalized problem that reaches far beyond just runways.  For
any given way (of any kind), how do you associate it or characterize it as
belonging to a larger area?  An airport is a larger area, even if it has
only be marked as a node in OSM; that is just a shortcut placeholder for
the area.

You certainly could use a relation.  That seems like a lot of work to me. 
I would suggest looking at the ways other people have done it for other
entities in OSM.  How do you know a bike trail belongs to a park?  How do
you know a street belongs to a town?  How do you know a foot path belongs
to a university campus?  The simple answer for all of them is the
geometry.  Short of that, the "is_in" tag is the most common one in use
for this sort of thing.

But really, matching geometry will be the simplest.  You will pretty much
always find the aerodrome area or node within 0.0020 degrees lat/lon of
the runway, and most often within 0.0012 degrees, based on my experience
in looking at them in OSM.  It's not a visual problem, it's a math
problem, and it's already been solved by others.  Sort by distance, it
becomes quite obvious which airport the runway belongs to.  You can google
for the calculations; you don't need to understand them to paste them into
your script.  (I don't understand the math, but it still works great for
me.)

> For eg. Entering 30L in a search window should bring up "SJC" as
> the result. Note there can be multiple runways named 30L.

Multiple?  You bet.  You're going to have a dozen or more.  There are only
18 number sets to work with, plus L or R and sometimes C.  If the runway
is correctly named, it will be "12R/30L".  12R will always be the same
runway as 30L.  If you search for "30", you're likely to get a hundred
matches or more.

I've drawn or verified runways on about 3000 airports so far, and I think
there are about 5000 or more airports listed in the English wikipedia. 
That's going to be a long search list.

I'm curious about your uses for this.  In what kind of situation would
somebody know a runway code but not what airport?  Perhaps there is other
information or other ways to solve the problem that could help.

Good luck on the project!

- Alan



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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

[Guenther Meyer]

Am Mittwoch 24 Juni 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
> Hi,
>
> greg...@arenius.com wrote:
> > What do people think?
>
you are not the first to suggest something like that ;-)
I also think that a change would be fine, but my approach was a little bit 
different. anyway, I'm using my scheme in my application and try to convert 
from the chaotic osm-style when importing the data.

> I think "why bother". Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system
> you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people
> (ab)using it to their heart's content, so what's the big deal.
>
abuse, even unintended, will always be a problem diluting the meaning and 
usage of the tags. but this can be reduces to a minimum, if the whole thing 
would be well defined. but enough said, you know my point of view ;-)

> If you're so intent on giving structure to the whole thing then you
> should perhaps use the gpsdrive-inspired tagging scheme that some people
> in Germany use. They do things like
>
> poi=shopping.machine.cigarette
> poi=education.school.secondary
> poi=religion.church.catholic
> poi=shopping.rental.library
>
thanks for referencing this :-)

> and so on. I'm sure it is documented somewhere but I'm not sure where. I
> think it is a bit crazy but at least it can co-exist peacefully with
> what we already have (an object can be tagged according to both schemes
> at the same time).
>
a short overview can be found in the osm svn in /applications/share/map-icons/




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Re: [OSM-talk] gosmore shows no map

[vikas yadav]

If its a ubuntu edition of gosmore, it never ran in my case.
I always get the source and compile it.

2009/6/24 Andi Völkl 

>
> After starting gosmore, the gosmore.pak file is used, because I can search
> for places. But on the right site no map is shown.
>
> I am running Ubuntu 8.04 on AMD 64 Hardware. I tried with different osm
> files and different gosmore versions (self compiled and Ubuntu). I get no
> error messages.
>
> If I start "strace gosmore" I can see the following error message: read(5,
> 0x62a044, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
>
> Any ideas to get gosmore showing the map?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Alan Millar]

> All that runway 'way' XML contains is one tag
> that says it's a runway. The problem is there is no easy way to
> correlate a runway to its airport.

This is a generalized problem that reaches far beyond just runways.  For
any given way (of any kind), how do you associate it or characterize it as
belonging to a larger area?  An airport is a larger area, even if it has
only be marked as a node in OSM; that is just a shortcut placeholder for
the area.

You certainly could use a relation.  That seems like a lot of work to me. 
I would suggest looking at the ways other people have done it for other
entities in OSM.  How do you know a bike trail belongs to a park?  How do
you know a street belongs to a town?  How do you know a foot path belongs
to a university campus?  The simple answer for all of them is the
geometry.  Short of that, the "is_in" tag is the most common one in use
for this sort of thing.

But really, matching geometry will be the simplest.  You will pretty much
always find the aerodrome area or node within 0.0020 degrees lat/lon of
the runway, and most often within 0.0012 degrees, based on my experience
in looking at them in OSM.  It's not a visual problem, it's a math
problem, and it's already been solved by others.  Sort by distance, it
becomes quite obvious which airport the runway belongs to.  You can google
for the calculations; you don't need to understand them to paste them into
your script.  (I don't understand the math, but it still works great for
me.)

> For eg. Entering 30L in a search window should bring up "SJC" as
> the result. Note there can be multiple runways named 30L.

Multiple?  You bet.  You're going to have a dozen or more.  There are only
18 number sets to work with, plus L or R and sometimes C.  If the runway
is correctly named, it will be "12R/30L".  12R will always be the same
runway as 30L.  If you search for "30", you're likely to get a hundred
matches or more.

I've drawn or verified runways on about 3000 airports so far, and I think
there are about 5000 or more airports listed in the English wikipedia. 
That's going to be a long search list.

I'm curious about your uses for this.  In what kind of situation would
somebody know a runway code but not what airport?  Perhaps there is other
information or other ways to solve the problem that could help.

Good luck on the project!

- Alan



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[OSM-talk] gosmore shows no map

[Andi Völkl]

After starting gosmore, the gosmore.pak file is used, because I can search for 
places. But on the right site no map is shown.

I am running Ubuntu 8.04 on AMD 64 Hardware. I tried with different osm files 
and different gosmore versions (self compiled and Ubuntu). I get no error 
messages.

If I start "strace gosmore" I can see the following error message: read(5, 
0x62a044, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)

Any ideas to get gosmore showing the map?

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Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Madhav Vodnala]

All that runway 'way' XML contains is one tag
that says it's a runway. The problem is there is no easy way to 
correlate a runway to its airport.

The wiki convention does not create any problem for visual map style
applications,
because they have spatial awareness.

The problem is for non-visual applications, especially the one am working
on.

I created an OSM file/table that contains only runways in the world. Another
OSM file contains only airports. Am looking for an easy locate
the airport for a given runway.

For eg. Entering 30L in a search window should bring up "SJC" as
the result. Note there can be multiple runways named 30L.

Hope that clarifies the issue.

Thanks
Madhav

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From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]
On Behalf Of Alan Millar
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:26 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

> In this Mapping Features documentation page, it says add only
>  aeroway=runway  tag to
> the
> way to denote it
> a runway
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Drunway

> Does anybody have an alternative solution?. I think adding new "relation"
> can address
> this issue.

Can you explain what exactly is the problem or issue you are concerned
about?  In the example you gave, it looked like two clearly marked
runways. I don't see any problems with them.

The "aeroway=aerodrome" tag can be used on either a node or an area.  Most
of the time it is a node placed near the center of the airport.  When it
is used on an area, it marks the grounds or boundary of the airport.

For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5024354

I don't think it is a good idea to put the iata or icao codes on the
runway, because they really apply to the whole place.  They should go on
the aeroway=aerodrome item (node or area) like the wiki says.

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM wms-plugin troubles (Yahoo! imagery)

[John Smith]

--- On Tue, 23/6/09, Thorir Jonsson  wrote:
> Hardy to Jaunty.  Whenever I try to download images
> from Yahoo! they
> appear distorted and torn into strips (screenshot here:
> http://tinypic.com/r/295zpfa/5).

I had no end of problems until I compiled and used the webkit version too.


  

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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 08 videos

[Stefan de Konink]

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Arlindo Pereira wrote:
> Maybe not the appropriate thread for that, but we could stream the SOTM
> 09 videos with an Symbian S60 phone (such as N95) with Qik
> (http://qik.com/). The software streams video in high quality, so
> everyone can watch them live, leave an MP4 copy on the cellphone and the
> Qik website can automatically publish the video in Youtube when the
> stream has ended. The software is not opensource (nor the
> codec/container), but we can transcode the videos to Ogg Theora.
> 
> If there's an open wireless access point, I can do it with my cellphone.

I posted my thoughts on this subject also to Martijn; I think live
streaming would be trivial if the bandwidth is available for outgoing
broadcasts. My idea was to put an Elphel[1] camera there for recording
and broadcast or do something with dvswitch[2].

If broadcast in IPv6 multicast, the outgoing bandwidth wouldn't be a
problem at all and could always be transcoded at a v4 proxy.


Stefan

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[2] http://dvswitch.alioth.debian.org/wiki/
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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 08 videos

[Arlindo Pereira]

Maybe not the appropriate thread for that, but we could stream the SOTM 09
videos with an Symbian S60 phone (such as N95) with Qik (http://qik.com/).
The software streams video in high quality, so everyone can watch them live,
leave an MP4 copy on the cellphone and the Qik website can automatically
publish the video in Youtube when the stream has ended. The software is not
opensource (nor the codec/container), but we can transcode the videos to Ogg
Theora.

If there's an open wireless access point, I can do it with my cellphone.

[]

2009/6/19 Cartinus 

> On Thursday 18 June 2009 12:39:33 Erik Johansson wrote:
> > Is there a video team for state of the map 2009?
>
> On Monday 15 June 2009 21:57:02 Martijn van Exel wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > SOTM09 in Amsterdam is drawing close
> 
> > It would be great if we could publish as much of the event as possible
> > online soon after the event. For this, we will need people
> > volunteering to record the talks on video. If you're interested,
> > contact t...@stateofthemap.org and we'll get in touch with you.
> > There's a free ticket to SOTM09 for those willing to take on at least
> > one day of recording! If you can supply equipment, that's great. We're
> > working on having a camera available though.
>
>
> --
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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

greg...@arenius.com wrote:
> What do people think? 

I think "why bother". Clearly what we have is chaotic, but any system 
you can think of will become chaotic sooner or later with people 
(ab)using it to their heart's content, so what's the big deal.

If you're so intent on giving structure to the whole thing then you 
should perhaps use the gpsdrive-inspired tagging scheme that some people 
in Germany use. They do things like

poi=shopping.machine.cigarette
poi=education.school.secondary
poi=religion.church.catholic
poi=shopping.rental.library

and so on. I'm sure it is documented somewhere but I'm not sure where. I 
think it is a bit crazy but at least it can co-exist peacefully with 
what we already have (an object can be tagged according to both schemes 
at the same time).

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The map key isn't static anymore

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> Actually it probably won't be live for a while as the solution looks like it
> is a complete mess that won't scale to handling the other map layers. I need
> to review it fully but right now I'm not hopeful from a quick glance.

It's a hack, but the original implementation that has been there for
two years doesn't support anything but the default mapnik rendering
either and osmarender/cyclemap haven't submitted a map key for their
rendering in that time.

It's easy enough to add the support if there's a need, but thus far
there hasn't been so I didn't see the point of spending time on
something that might not be used for the foreseeable future.

Not being able to translate this aspect of the interface however is a
current problem.

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[OSM-talk] Proposed Amenity Reorganization

[gregory]

The amenity key is currently used for so many different things that it has
no meaning.  It has become a catch all category for everything that
doesn't have a place elsewhere.  I'm proposing breaking it up into more
keys to help make things more organized.

Proposed keys:

*Amenity
*Death
*Education
*Entertainment
*Financial
*Government
*Healthcare
*Sustenance
*Transportation
*Waste

With their tags:

Amenity:
*BBQ
*Bench
*Drinking_fountain
*Emergency_Telephone
*Fountain
*Shelter
*Telephone
*Toilet

Death:
*Graveyard
*Crematorium
Maybe also things like tombs, catacombs, mortuaries, funeral homes, etc.
Could probably also replace landuse=cemetary

Education:
*School
*College
*Library
*University

Entertainment:
*Arts_centre
*Brothel
*Cinema
*Nightclub
*Theatre
*Studio

Financial:
*ATM
*Bank
*Bureau_de_change
Maybe also check cashing, brokerages, stock exchanges, commodity
exchanges, etc

Government:
*Baby_hatch
*Courthouse
*Embassy
*Fire_station
*Police_station
*Post_office
*Post_box
*Public_building
*Prison
*Townhall
I think a lot of other types government buildings could be added here as
well.

Healthcare:
*Dentist
*Doctor
*Hospital
*Pharmacy
*Veterinary
This key has been proposed and passed a vote (15-4) but no further work
has been done with it because the proposer doesn't have time.  I'd move it
along but I think it should be part of a larger reorganization of amenity.
 There are a lot of other tags that could be put in this category so I
think its an especially important one.

Sustenance:
*Biergarten
*Cafe
*Fast_food
*Food_court
*Pub
*Restaurant

Transportation:
*Bicycle_parking
*Bicycle_rental
*Bus_station
*Car_rental
*Car_sharing
*Ferry_terminal
*Fuel
*Parking
*Taxi_stands
I think there has been discussion about a key somewhat like this but
nothing has been officially proposed.

Waste:
*Recycling
*Waste_basket
*Waste_disposal
Maybe also things like dumps, recycling baskets, etc.

That leaves us with a few stray tags which I think can be better placed
elsewhere.

Hunting_stand can go in leisure.
Marketplace can go in landuse.
Signpost can go in the proposed information key.
Vending_machine can go in the shop key, or failing that, its own key.

Which leaves place_of_worship.  Maybe in a new spiritual key with things
like holy_site, etc? It really doesn't fit well in amenity though.

I've copied this proposal into the wiki at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Amenity_Reoganization
which I'll be working on improving.

What do people think?  I know that there are a bazillion amenity tags
already in use but I think that going forward a better organized system
will be worth the effort of implementing it.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] The map key isn't static anymore

[Tom Hughes]

2009/6/23 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 

The map key is now a HTML table instead of a static PNG image as can
> be seen on the dev server (click "Map key"):
>
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/
>
> (Should be on the main site soon)
>

Actually it probably won't be live for a while as the solution looks like it
is a complete mess that won't scale to handling the other map layers. I need
to review it fully but right now I'm not hopeful from a quick glance.

Jon Burgess/Steve Chilton - if you're reading this do you have any issues
with the way it's been done in terms of of how it interacts with the way you
create the original key images?

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Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Simon Hewison]

Madhav Vodnala wrote:
> This is a good idea. Is ICAO code same as the airport code as identified 
> by US DOT?.

ICAO codes are international, and cover all licenced airfields 
worldwide. They are four letters long.

Those DOT codes seem to be the same three letter codes as the IATA codes 
(which passengers and travel agents book tickets with), and in the USA, 
you can easily convert IATA to ICAO codes by prefixing with the letter 
K, so LAX becomes KLAX. Pilots and Air Traffic Controllers use ICAO codes.

In the rest of the world, it's not so easy, so EGLL is LHR = London 
Heathrow. (E tends to denote Europe, so EG = Europe, Great Britain). 
Someone once told me there was some reasoning behind the name of the 
ICAO codes, but it escaped me, and they couldn't name it at the time. 
France is LF (La France), Germany is ED (Europa Deutschland). eg . FRA = 
EDDF = Frankfurt am Main

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Re: [OSM-talk] history in xml format

[Shaun McDonald]

On 23 Jun 2009, at 21:32, Bernhard zwischenbrugger wrote:

> hi
>> There's no API that gives you OSM data on a per-changeset basis. You
>> can only retrieve osmChange files which are all changes within a  
>> given
>> timeframe (e.g. minutely, hourly, daily).
>>
>
> Do you mean this:
> http://planet.openstreetmap.org/minute/
>
> It's about 5minutes delayed.
>
> The data at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changesets
> are not delayed.
> There must be an other source for these data.
>

Why do you want more up to date that data from 5 minutes ago?

There was a discussion on this recently. Can't find the thread just now.

Basically for efficiency a 5 minute delay is acceptable to have with  
the ultimate caching and greatest availability of service to everyone.

There is currently some work going on to reduce this delay.

Do NOT hammer the API with requests, otherwise you will get banned.

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Re: [OSM-talk] history in xml format

[Bernhard zwischenbrugger]

hi
> There's no API that gives you OSM data on a per-changeset basis. You
> can only retrieve osmChange files which are all changes within a given
> timeframe (e.g. minutely, hourly, daily).
>   

Do you mean this:
http://planet.openstreetmap.org/minute/

It's about 5minutes delayed.

The data at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changesets
are not delayed.
There must be an other source for these data.

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Re: [OSM-talk] history in xml format

[Shaun McDonald]

On 23 Jun 2009, at 20:51, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bernhard
> zwischenbrugger wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I was searching the api but couldn't find a call that gives me the  
>> data of:
>>
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changesets
>>
>> How can I get these data?
>> Is it the normal api or the xapi?
>
> There's no API that gives you OSM data on a per-changeset basis. You
> can only retrieve osmChange files which are all changes within a given
> timeframe (e.g. minutely, hourly, daily).

You can use the following query:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ 
OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6#Query:_GET_.2Fapi.2F0.6.2Fchangesets

Shaun


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Re: [OSM-talk] history in xml format

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Bernhard
zwischenbrugger wrote:
> Hi
>
> I was searching the api but couldn't find a call that gives me the data of:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changesets
>
> How can I get these data?
> Is it the normal api or the xapi?

There's no API that gives you OSM data on a per-changeset basis. You
can only retrieve osmChange files which are all changes within a given
timeframe (e.g. minutely, hourly, daily).

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM wms-plugin troubles (Yahoo! imagery)

[Rob]

Thorir Jonsson wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm having some troubles with the WMS-plugin, or more precisely the
> Yahoo! imagery.  The troubles started after I upgraded Ubuntu from
> Hardy to Jaunty.  Whenever I try to download images from Yahoo! they
> appear distorted and torn into strips (screenshot here:
> http://tinypic.com/r/295zpfa/5).
>
> I'm using JOSM 1684 and have already tried removing the .josm
> directory and installing the WMS-plugin again, but to no avail.
>   
Thorir,
Here is a link to a post on the newbies list that details a a workaround 
that I used:

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/newbies/2009-May/003129.html

Cheers

rcr


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[OSM-talk] history in xml format

[Bernhard zwischenbrugger]

Hi

I was searching the api but couldn't find a call that gives me the data of:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changesets

How can I get these data?
Is it the normal api or the xapi?


bernhard

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[OSM-talk] The map key isn't static anymore

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

The map key is now a HTML table instead of a static PNG image as can
be seen on the dev server (click "Map key"):

http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/

(Should be on the main site soon)

There's lots of room for improvement here, and much easier to make
those improvements now that it's not static:

* It doesn't correspond very well to the map.

E.g. zoom level 2 still shows motorway/trunk roads in the map key even
though they're nowhere to be found, if someone would collate a list of
what's visible on each zoom level (the possible values are under
"mapkey_values" here:
http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/sites/rails_port/app/views/site/_key.html.erb
) then that could be used to improve the map.

Maybe such a list could be maintained on the wiki, as long as it's in
a format that's reasonably easy to parse I could write a script that
generated _key.html.erb periodically from it.

* Stuff is missing

There are no icons for tertiary roads to name one obvious example, and
lots of other stuff is missing.

The icons are really easy to make now, here's an example:
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/images/mapkey/motorway.png

* It's easier to support other renderers now

Maybe projects like osmarender would like to have their own map key?
If they generate the appropriate icons it should be easy to add them.

* Do we want to link to the wiki?

If we had a list of how wiki pages relate to the tag names (which
should be easy enough to generate) we could link from each row in the
map key to the appropriate wiki page, is this a good idea?

* Your pet-peeve here

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Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM wms-plugin troubles (Yahoo! imagery)

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Thorir Jonsson wrote:
> I'm having some troubles with the WMS-plugin, or more precisely the
> Yahoo! imagery.  The troubles started after I upgraded Ubuntu from
> Hardy to Jaunty.  Whenever I try to download images from Yahoo! they
> appear distorted and torn into strips (screenshot here:
> http://tinypic.com/r/295zpfa/5).
>
> I'm using JOSM 1684 and have already tried removing the .josm
> directory and installing the WMS-plugin again, but to no avail.
>
> Any and all help appreciated.

It's a known issue see this FAQ:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/WMSPlugin#gnome-web-photo

I've had the best success with not using gnome-web-photo and compiling
a webkit binary instead:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/WMSPlugin#webkit-image_.28QT.29

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[OSM-talk] JOSM wms-plugin troubles (Yahoo! imagery)

[Thorir Jonsson]

Hi all,

I'm having some troubles with the WMS-plugin, or more precisely the
Yahoo! imagery.  The troubles started after I upgraded Ubuntu from
Hardy to Jaunty.  Whenever I try to download images from Yahoo! they
appear distorted and torn into strips (screenshot here:
http://tinypic.com/r/295zpfa/5).

I'm using JOSM 1684 and have already tried removing the .josm
directory and installing the WMS-plugin again, but to no avail.

Any and all help appreciated.

Best regards,
Thórir Már

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Re: [OSM-talk] UKUUG - Summer 2009 - Birmingham

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

I'm not available unfortunately.

Cheers

Andy

>-Original Message-
>From: Ciarán Mooney [mailto:general.moo...@googlemail.com]
>Sent: 23 June 2009 1:26 PM
>To: talk; talk-gb-westmidlands; talk-gb; shaun; Andy Robinson (blackadder-
>lists)
>Subject: UKUUG - Summer 2009 - Birmingham
>
>Hi,
>
>UKUUG are looking for a talk about OSM for their Summer 2009
>conference in Birmingham, I was the go-to-guy, however I may not be
>the best person to present to the technical audience that are likely
>to attend.
>
>Is anyone else willing to do a talk.
>
>Andy and Shaun : As I didn't hear anything concrete, I thought it best
>to open it to a wider audience.
>
>Ciarán
>
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>From: Jane Morrison 
>Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:25:14 +0100
>Subject: UKUUG - Summer 2009 - Birmingham
>To: general.moo...@googlemail.com
>
>
>
>Hi Ciaran
>
>I understand from Niall Mansfield / John Pinner  that you are kindly
>providing
>a presentation at our forthcoming Summer Conference in Birmingham, (Sat 8th
>&
>Sun 9th August).
>
>Talk title: 'Open Street Map'
>
>Please can you provide me with a talk abstract and biography for our web
>site
>as soon as possible please.
>
>I trust that you have funding for your travel & B&B.
>
>With regard to B&B we advise you to look on our web site regarding
>various hotel options - see:
>
>http://summer2009.ukuug.org/Accommodation
>
>Of course as a speaker you get a free place at the Conference for Saturday
>&
>Sunday.
>
>Please confirm that you require a ticket for our Conference Dinner on
>Saturday evening (free to speakers).
>
>The dinner will be held at the Novotel Hotel - The Novotel is just a few
>minutes walk from the conference venue.
>
>Do you require vegetarian/vegan food/special diet?
>
>Guests tickets are also available for the Saturday night Conference dinner
>-
>cost £30 inc. vat
>
>Prior to the Conference on Friday 7th August we have organised a full day
>of
>tutorials - see: http://summer2009.ukuug.org/Tutorials
>
>If you would like to attend the Tutorial fee for speakers is £60 inc. vat
>(half day tutorial - £30 inc. vat).
>
>Please let me know if you would like to book a place at one of these
>tutorials
>and I will send you an invoice.
>
>Whilst contacting you I should like to remind you about your Conference
>presentation final paper / slides - these are due by 24th July so they can
>be included on our website (after the conference).  If you need more time
>for
>this please let me know.
>
>We ask that you should submit them as pdf or html -   Please email direct
>to:
>summer2...@ukuug.org
>
>I shall look forward to hearing from you, do not hesitate to ask any
>questions
>if you are unclear about any event arrangements.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Jane
>--
>UKUUG Secretariat
>PO Box 37
>Buntingford
>Herts SG9 9UQ
>Tel: 01763 273475
>Fax: 01763 273255
>off...@ukuug.org
>www.ukuug.org
>
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>
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[OSM-talk] UKUUG - Summer 2009 - Birmingham

[Ciarán Mooney]

Hi,

UKUUG are looking for a talk about OSM for their Summer 2009
conference in Birmingham, I was the go-to-guy, however I may not be
the best person to present to the technical audience that are likely
to attend.

Is anyone else willing to do a talk.

Andy and Shaun : As I didn't hear anything concrete, I thought it best
to open it to a wider audience.

Ciarán


-- Forwarded message --
From: Jane Morrison 
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:25:14 +0100
Subject: UKUUG - Summer 2009 - Birmingham
To: general.moo...@googlemail.com



Hi Ciaran

I understand from Niall Mansfield / John Pinner  that you are kindly providing
a presentation at our forthcoming Summer Conference in Birmingham, (Sat 8th &
Sun 9th August).

Talk title: 'Open Street Map'

Please can you provide me with a talk abstract and biography for our web site
as soon as possible please.

I trust that you have funding for your travel & B&B.

With regard to B&B we advise you to look on our web site regarding
various hotel options - see:

http://summer2009.ukuug.org/Accommodation

Of course as a speaker you get a free place at the Conference for Saturday &
Sunday.

Please confirm that you require a ticket for our Conference Dinner on
Saturday evening (free to speakers).

The dinner will be held at the Novotel Hotel - The Novotel is just a few
minutes walk from the conference venue.

Do you require vegetarian/vegan food/special diet?

Guests tickets are also available for the Saturday night Conference dinner -
cost £30 inc. vat

Prior to the Conference on Friday 7th August we have organised a full day of
tutorials - see: http://summer2009.ukuug.org/Tutorials

If you would like to attend the Tutorial fee for speakers is £60 inc. vat
(half day tutorial - £30 inc. vat).

Please let me know if you would like to book a place at one of these tutorials
and I will send you an invoice.

Whilst contacting you I should like to remind you about your Conference
presentation final paper / slides - these are due by 24th July so they can
be included on our website (after the conference).  If you need more time for
this please let me know.

We ask that you should submit them as pdf or html -   Please email direct to:
summer2...@ukuug.org

I shall look forward to hearing from you, do not hesitate to ask any questions
if you are unclear about any event arrangements.

Kind regards,

Jane
-- 
UKUUG Secretariat
PO Box 37
Buntingford
Herts SG9 9UQ
Tel: 01763 273475
Fax: 01763 273255
off...@ukuug.org
www.ukuug.org

A Company Limited by Guarantee

Registered Office:
The Manor House
Buntingford
Herts SG9 9AB

Reg. No. 2506680

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Error in OSM site when Exporting to Embedded HTML

[Jonas Krückel]

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb:
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Ivan Garcia wrote:
>   
>> Hi, I realized that when I click in the EXPORT tab of OSM.org and I choose
>> the Embedded HTML radiobox, it appears a link that says: "Click here to
>> select a marker", but when I click later on in the map, no marker is placed,
>> I'm using Firefox 3 in my Kubuntu.
>> 
>
> Can someone who can debug JS look at this? Firefox error
> console/Firebug complain about undefined variables but I can't track
> down what's wrong.
>   
I recognized this bug a few weeks ago as I was translating osm.org. It 
seemed to me that the bug appeared that time, so maybe it has something 
to do with the translation?
I checked de.yml at this time, but there was no bug, so it must be 
somewhere else.
Maybe this is a hint.

Jonas

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[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (shop=newsagent)

[Stefano Pallicca]

Here is the wiki page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Newsagent



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[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - restriction=school_zone

[John Smith]

Proposal Page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:restriction%3Dschool_zone

To mark school zones, where the maxspeed varies by time of day, day of week and 
time of year.


  

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Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome

[Alan Millar]

> In this Mapping Features documentation page, it says add only
>  aeroway=runway  tag to
> the
> way to denote it
> a runway
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Drunway

> Does anybody have an alternative solution?. I think adding new "relation"
> can address
> this issue.

Can you explain what exactly is the problem or issue you are concerned
about?  In the example you gave, it looked like two clearly marked
runways. I don't see any problems with them.

The "aeroway=aerodrome" tag can be used on either a node or an area.  Most
of the time it is a node placed near the center of the airport.  When it
is used on an area, it marks the grounds or boundary of the airport.

For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5024354

I don't think it is a good idea to put the iata or icao codes on the
runway, because they really apply to the whole place.  They should go on
the aeroway=aerodrome item (node or area) like the wiki says.

- Alan




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