Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu

[Kai Krueger]

On 10/17/2011 12:46 PM, Parveen Arora wrote:
> Hi kai,
> I have tried to install it in the 11.04 ubuntu but still the same error
> that package not found.
> 
> Can you please give me the link where package is placed, i will try to
> install it manually.

They are placed in my PPA on launchpad at
https://launchpad.net/~kakrueger/+archive/openstreetmap/ There you can
also download the individual packages, e.g.
https://launchpad.net/~kakrueger/+archive/openstreetmap/+files/libapache2-mod-tile_0.4-9%7Enatty1_amd64.deb

Kai

> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu

[Parveen Arora]

Hi kai,
I have tried to install it in the 11.04 ubuntu but still the same error that
package not found.

Can you please give me the link where package is placed, i will try to
install it manually.

Thank you.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Displaying videos from around the world on OSM?

[Jonathan Gray]

Thanks for all of your help everyone! Lots of useful tips and links:

  * http://crowdmap.com
  * http://weait.com/content/control-appearance-your-business-openstreetmap
  * http://toads.raggedred.net/
  * http://usergroups.openstreetmap.de
  * http://www.openstreetbugs.org
  * http://www.aphes.com/map/

We're buried in logistics for the event later this week, so I think
we'll defer the Great Open Data Census until the Open Data Day on 3rd
December: http://www.opendataday.org/

So watch this space!

J.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jonathan Gray  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We're thinking of having a big census of open government data
> initiatives from around the world next week [1], to coincide with Open
> Government Data Camp 2011 in Warsaw [2].
>
> This would involve having a basic mechanism to add title, URL, brief
> description and possibly thumbnail of a video to a map.
>
> Has anyone had any experience of doing this sort of thing on Open Street Map?
>
> Any suggestions (off list) would be very much appreciated.
>
> All the best,
>
> Jonathan
>
> [1] http://lists.okfn.org/pipermail/ogdcamp/2011-October/000133.html
> [2] http://ogdcamp.org/
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Distribution of OSM and non OSM data together

[Carlos Dávila]

El 16/10/11 15:20, Robert Whittaker (OSM) escribió:

2011/10/10 Carlos Dávila:

I would like to know if it would be possible with the new license to
distribute maps which combine OSM data and other data licensed under a more
restrictive license (basically non commercial use permitted). AFAIK it is
not possible with the current CC license, is it?

You couldn't do that under the current license, but it may be possible
under ODbL, depending on how the data is combined with OSM data, and
how the maps / map tiles are formed. This previous post I made on this
list (and subsequent replies to it) may help explain some of the
details:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2011-August/006594.html

Understanding this legal discussions is not so easy for me, so I'll 
explain what I want to do and how I think the info in that thread 
applies to it.
Step 1: create a map layer from OSM data using mkgmap. In that process, 
some attributes of the OSM elements are changed, for example, names, 
highway type, etc. Also some elements are filtered and don't appear in 
the final map. I think it would be a "Produced work", right?
Step 2: create a second layer with data from another database, with a 
CC-BY-SA-NC similar license.
Step 3: combine both layers in a file ready to be used by garmin 
devices, in which each layer can be enabled/disabled separately. Also 
the file can be split using appropriate software obtaining files with 
each layer. Would be any problem for this? I should provide attribution 
and details about the method used to obtain the map for the OSM layer.
Step 4: produce a set of files for garmin software (MapSource). In this 
case, layers can't be displayed separately because software lacks this 
capability, but they have been produced independent one from each other. 
It would be a collective work, and it layer could be under its own 
license. If necessary, release the external data (or a link to it) won't 
be a problem, as it is freely available from the data owner's server.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[SteveC]

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html




On 10/17/2011 10:40 AM, yvecai wrote:
As far as I know, submarine data cables are highly strategic. You can 
see on the map linked they are only few of them but carrying 99% of 
the information between continents.
I am certain it would be pretty hard to guess their position, so even 
Janko proposal may be hard to achieve, unless you tag the 'Apollo' 
cable ends at the Lannion (F) and and Shirley (NY) townhall.

Yves

On 17. 10. 11 15:36, Janko Mihelic' wrote:
I think only cable starts and ends should be mapped, and tagged in a 
standardised way. If that is all we have, that is all we should map. 
Then cable starts and ends could be put in a relation with a name, 
number and tags like that.


Janko

2011/10/17 Matthias Meißer mailto:dig...@arcor.de>>

Am 17.10.2011  13:39, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange:

Matthias Meißermailto:dig...@arcor.de>>  wrote:

Looks like a wonderful resource :)
Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that
does a lot of
work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested
in communication
lines, too.

Just means that this is authentic and so just give it try :)


Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!


I can try to contact this company, but my english is medium
(i'm french
speaker).
But Toby is probably right, the only real (acurate)
geographical dat is
start and end point of this cables.

Yes of course, but isn't this the principle of OSM? Start with
something raw and improve it step by step :D

cya
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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[yvecai]

As far as I know, submarine data cables are highly strategic. You can 
see on the map linked they are only few of them but carrying 99% of the 
information between continents.
I am certain it would be pretty hard to guess their position, so even 
Janko proposal may be hard to achieve, unless you tag the 'Apollo' cable 
ends at the Lannion (F) and and Shirley (NY) townhall.

Yves

On 17. 10. 11 15:36, Janko Mihelic' wrote:
I think only cable starts and ends should be mapped, and tagged in a 
standardised way. If that is all we have, that is all we should map. 
Then cable starts and ends could be put in a relation with a name, 
number and tags like that.


Janko

2011/10/17 Matthias Meißer mailto:dig...@arcor.de>>

Am 17.10.2011  13:39, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange:

Matthias Meißermailto:dig...@arcor.de>>  wrote:

Looks like a wonderful resource :)
Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that
does a lot of
work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested in
communication
lines, too.

Just means that this is authentic and so just give it try :)


Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!


I can try to contact this company, but my english is medium
(i'm french
speaker).
But Toby is probably right, the only real (acurate)
geographical dat is
start and end point of this cables.

Yes of course, but isn't this the principle of OSM? Start with
something raw and improve it step by step :D

cya
Matthias



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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[Janko Mihelić]

I think only cable starts and ends should be mapped, and tagged in a
standardised way. If that is all we have, that is all we should map. Then
cable starts and ends could be put in a relation with a name, number and
tags like that.

Janko

2011/10/17 Matthias Meißer 

> Am 17.10.2011 13:39, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange:
>
>  Matthias Meißer  wrote:
>>
>>  Looks like a wonderful resource :)
>>> Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that does a lot of
>>> work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested in communication
>>> lines, too.
>>>
>> Just means that this is authentic and so just give it try :)
>
>
>>> Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!
>>>
>>
>> I can try to contact this company, but my english is medium (i'm french
>> speaker).
>> But Toby is probably right, the only real (acurate) geographical dat is
>> start and end point of this cables.
>>
>>  Yes of course, but isn't this the principle of OSM? Start with something
> raw and improve it step by step :D
>
> cya
> Matthias
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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[Tom Hughes]

On 17/10/11 14:26, Matthias Meißer wrote:

Am 17.10.2011 13:39, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange:

Matthias Meißer wrote:


Looks like a wonderful resource :)
Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that does a lot of
work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested in communication
lines, too.

Just means that this is authentic and so just give it try :)


Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!


I can try to contact this company, but my english is medium (i'm french
speaker).
But Toby is probably right, the only real (acurate) geographical dat is
start and end point of this cables.


Yes of course, but isn't this the principle of OSM? Start with something
raw and improve it step by step :D


How exactly do you plan to improve this? Scuba dive your way along the 
cables?


Which is really just as important here as whether this data is any good 
or not. The real problem with this data is that we have no way of 
validating it or improving it so importing it would just be another step 
towards turning OSM into a dumping ground for random third party geodata.


There are far better things we can be doing than importing data which we 
have no chance of keeping valid and which is of little use to anybody 
other than the people who created it.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[Matthias Meißer]

Am 17.10.2011 13:39, schrieb Pierre-Alain Dorange:

Matthias Meißer  wrote:


Looks like a wonderful resource :)
Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that does a lot of
work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested in communication
lines, too.

Just means that this is authentic and so just give it try :)


Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!


I can try to contact this company, but my english is medium (i'm french
speaker).
But Toby is probably right, the only real (acurate) geographical dat is
start and end point of this cables.

Yes of course, but isn't this the principle of OSM? Start with something 
raw and improve it step by step :D


cya
Matthias


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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[Pierre-Alain Dorange]

Matthias Meißer  wrote:

> Looks like a wonderful resource :)
> Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that does a lot of
> work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested in communication
> lines, too.
> 
> Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!

I can try to contact this company, but my english is medium (i'm french
speaker).
But Toby is probably right, the only real (acurate) geographical dat is
start and end point of this cables.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

[Matthias Meißer]

Looks like a wonderful resource :)
Maybe you could get in contact with user:Bahnpirat that does a lot of 
work concerning Powerlines, so I guess he is interested in communication 
lines, too.


Do you dare to contact that company, Pierre? Would be great!

bye
Matthias
(user:!i!)

Am 15.10.2011 17:51, schrieb Toby Murray:

These do not appear to be cartographic maps. They are primarily
network maps that happen to be displayed on a world map. Only the
endpoints are known locations.

Toby

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Pierre-Alain Dorange  wrote:

TeleGeography has release a map of submarine cable (for internet
mainly), can be seen here :


Data are collected by this compagny and the map is released under a
Creative Commons licence but not compatible with OSM (no commercial, no
deriv).



Hase someone get in touch with the compagny to ask them is data can be
incorporated into OSM, this can also help them in rendering...

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