Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Paul Williams]

Unfortunately I don't think the proposed building colour works at all well
within residential or industrial landuse areas - the landuse colour seems
to be too prominent compared with the building colour, and I don't think
the yellowy brown colour looks nice against the background colour. I think
the buildings in OSM are one of our greatest features and though they
should perhaps be a little lighter than in the current style I think that
on the main map we should try to show off some of our level of detail
compared with other online maps! I liked a previous building style in which
buildings tagged as building=house and other residential tags were shown in
a lighter shade - now this is only used for building=garage.

Cheers.
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

On 27 November 2014 at 22:59, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> I would be tempted to go a little bit darker - not much but right now the
> proposal looks very washed out against the background and the contrast
> between buildings and churches is very stark.
>
> But in general this is a good idea.
>
> Rob
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Rob Nickerson]

I would be tempted to go a little bit darker - not much but right now the
proposal looks very washed out against the background and the contrast
between buildings and churches is very stark.

But in general this is a good idea.

Rob
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 27 November 2014 at 22:46, christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
> in my opinion buildings could be slightly darker. It is visible enough on
> higher zoom levels but at zoom 14 and above its like there are no buildings.
> (Especially buildings inside industrial areas)

Just to be clear, you mean 14 and *below*, right? Like, numbers less
than or equal to 14.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[christian.pietz...@googlemail.com]

Hi
in my opinion buildings could be slightly darker. It is visible enough on
higher zoom levels but at zoom 14 and above its like there are no
buildings. (Especially buildings inside industrial areas)
I think the the amount of buildings in OSM is very nice and thats why we
shouldn't hide it too much. A little darker than in the demo and I would be
happy.

Thanks for developing the openstreetmap-carto style
Christian aka Hedaja


2014-11-27 11:35 GMT+01:00 Paul Norman :

> On 11/27/2014 2:11 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
>
>> Because the 'unclassified' icon is a dot, it is dropped on the building,
>> so the text is now below the building ... on the next one.
>>
> Shop text has always appeared below the icon - this is not new or unique
> to the generic icon.
>
>> It is my customers who are
>> commenting ... not complaints, but something has changed for them to
>> comment! I've been using these for the last few years.
>>
> From everything you've said about this and past changes, your customers
> might be better served by running an older version of the stylesheet on
> your tile server, or the French or German styles which are similar.
>
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[OSM-talk] Issues with Mapbox paid mappers (was: Detrimental validation software)

[SomeoneElse]

On 13/10/2014 18:32, Aaron Lidman wrote:


Richrico should have responded. The Mapbox data team has a policy to 
respond to all questions from the community. I'm sorry he didn't, he 
has now, and we've reminded all members of our data team of this 
policy. This should no longer be an issue in the future and all of our 
data team policies are completely transparent and can be found on the 
wiki:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapbox#Data_Team_Guidelines





(apologies for raking up an old thread, but just for info to all concerned)

I've just reverted a couple of Richrico's changesets.  One I'm sure is 
wrong based on my recollection of the area; the other looks wrong based 
on the imagery and I've added a note so that I can check the next time 
I'm in the area.


I only did this after various attempts to get in contact (including OSM 
messages and the guidelines linked above).  Conversations on #osm-gb 
suggest I'm not the only one to have reverted some of these changesets.  
However, given that this user's changesets are international in scope 
it's likely that there are other areas that need checking too.


Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Paul Norman]

On 11/27/2014 2:11 AM, Lester Caine wrote:

Because the 'unclassified' icon is a dot, it is dropped on the building,
so the text is now below the building ... on the next one.
Shop text has always appeared below the icon - this is not new or unique 
to the generic icon.

It is my customers who are
commenting ... not complaints, but something has changed for them to
comment! I've been using these for the last few years.
From everything you've said about this and past changes, your customers 
might be better served by running an older version of the stylesheet on 
your tile server, or the French or German styles which are similar.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Badita Florin]

I like the change,i would do a live example when people can see how the Map
will look in their region

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On Nov 27, 2014 3:19 AM, "Matthijs Melissen" 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We are considering to change the colour of buildings in
> openstreetmap-carto, the default rendering on openstreetmap.org.
> Because this change has a significant effect on the looks of the map,
> we would like to consult the community before going ahead with this
> change.
>
> A rendering demo can be found here (left the current rendering, right
> the proposal):
> http://bl.ocks.org/pnorman/raw/c61d6b11193081910866/#15.00/50.0611/19.9393
> http://bl.ocks.org/pnorman/raw/c61d6b11193081910866/#14.00/40.7048/-74.0040
> Please note that only selected regions have been loaded into the demo
> server.
>
> As can be seen, the new building colour is much lighter. This should
> make the map more pleasant to the eye, as well as make it easier to
> see the road network in areas with many buildings.
>
> More info can be found in the Github issue:
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/565. I would
> like to thank Paul Norman and Mateusz Konieczny, who have done the
> majority of the work.
>
> Please let us know what you think of the new rendering, either on
> Github or as a reply to this message.
>
> Kind regards,
> Matthijs
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Lester Caine]

On 27/11/14 09:42, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> 
> On 27 Nov 2014 09:18, "Lester Caine"  > wrote:
>> Not sure your demo is proving anything. Zooming in on the area covered
>> by the demo on the live map I'm not seeing very much of the corruptions
> 
> Have their been corruptions? I sm not sure what you are referring to.

THIS is a matter of different areas needing different treatment. The
sample I pointed to has had a few notes added about names being wrong,
but actually because of the close proximity of buildings the names which
WERE in brown a year or so ago are now in purple and pushed perhaps two
buildings away! Currently most of the purple text is mainly across an
adjacent building.

>> introduced by switching building names from brown to purple
> 
> We have neither brown nor purple building names, nor have we ever had
> them. Brown is used for some amenities, and pink is used for shops. This
> hasn't changed lately.

If I look at the area used in the building colour demo on the main map
there is considerably less purple text. If my areas were rendered as
tidily there would not be a problem. I'm not sure when it changed, but
end users are now commenting on it :(

>> and adding
>> the 'centroid' dt which then pushes everything off to one side :(
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

Because the 'unclassified' icon is a dot, it is dropped on the building,
so the text is now below the building ... on the next one.

>> I don't
>> unfortunately have an example of the section which had much tidier brown
>> text on all the buildings, but I think I HAVE established that a zoom
>> level should use the icon OMLY when the name is not displayed, and if
>> there is no icon don't just display a dot :(
> 
> The purple dots are used for shop types for which we don't have a
> specific icon. We haven't received other complaints about this. This
> dhould not have replaced any brown.

As I said ... I'm not sure when this did change, but it may be that
since we ARE now adding a lot more fine detail it is that which has
changed, but I AM convinced I had a much cleaner view of the areas I
work in previously, and I add detail so I can use these maps as location
maps to replace Google on websites. It is my customers who are
commenting ... not complaints, but something has changed for them to
comment! I've been using these for the last few years.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Janko Mihelić]

I like the fact that churches have a darker colour. I'd like to see
hospitals, schools, museums and other more important buildings with a
darker colour too.

Nice to see the main layer get some makeup.

Janko

2014-11-27 10:16 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine :

> On 27/11/14 01:16, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> > We are considering to change the colour of buildings in
> > openstreetmap-carto, the default rendering on openstreetmap.org.
> > Because this change has a significant effect on the looks of the map,
> > we would like to consult the community before going ahead with this
> > change.
>
> Not sure your demo is proving anything. Zooming in on the area covered
> by the demo on the live map I'm not seeing very much of the corruptions
> introduced by switching building names from brown to purple and adding
> the 'centroid' dt which then pushes everything off to one side :( PLEASE
> get ONE thing fixed first and fully deployed before changing something
> else.
>
> Building colour is fine here
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.09209/-1.94670. I don't
> unfortunately have an example of the section which had much tidier brown
> text on all the buildings, but I think I HAVE established that a zoom
> level should use the icon OMLY when the name is not displayed, and if
> there is no icon don't just display a dot :(
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 27 Nov 2014 09:18, "Lester Caine"  wrote:
> Not sure your demo is proving anything. Zooming in on the area covered
> by the demo on the live map I'm not seeing very much of the corruptions

Have their been corruptions? I sm not sure what you are referring to.

> introduced by switching building names from brown to purple

We have neither brown nor purple building names, nor have we ever had them.
Brown is used for some amenities, and pink is used for shops. This hasn't
changed lately.

> and adding
> the 'centroid' dt which then pushes everything off to one side :(

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean.

> I don't
> unfortunately have an example of the section which had much tidier brown
> text on all the buildings, but I think I HAVE established that a zoom
> level should use the icon OMLY when the name is not displayed, and if
> there is no icon don't just display a dot :(

The purple dots are used for shop types for which we don't have a specific
icon. We haven't received other complaints about this. This dhould not have
replaced any brown.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Request for feedback: new building colours in openstreetmap-carto

[Lester Caine]

On 27/11/14 01:16, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> We are considering to change the colour of buildings in
> openstreetmap-carto, the default rendering on openstreetmap.org.
> Because this change has a significant effect on the looks of the map,
> we would like to consult the community before going ahead with this
> change.

Not sure your demo is proving anything. Zooming in on the area covered
by the demo on the live map I'm not seeing very much of the corruptions
introduced by switching building names from brown to purple and adding
the 'centroid' dt which then pushes everything off to one side :( PLEASE
get ONE thing fixed first and fully deployed before changing something
else.

Building colour is fine here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/52.09209/-1.94670. I don't
unfortunately have an example of the section which had much tidier brown
text on all the buildings, but I think I HAVE established that a zoom
level should use the icon OMLY when the name is not displayed, and if
there is no icon don't just display a dot :(

-- 
Lester Caine - G8HFL
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