Re: [OSM-talk] Editing in Front Range of US State of Colorado

[Mike Thompson]

Mateusz,

Thanks, good suggestion. I will try that now as I make corrections.

Mike

On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> During deleting of destroyed features I typically leave outlines with
> notes reminding that aerial image is outdated and delete such historic days
> after aerial images are updated.
>
> Have you tried doing something like that?
>
> On 16 Dec 2017 4:37 p.m., "Mike Thompson"  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> If you are armchair mapping in the Front Range of the US State of
> Colorado, particularly the canyons west of the cities of Loveland, Fort
> Collins, etc., please be aware that we had a devastating flood here in the
> fall of 2013 that dramatically changed the courses of the rivers through
> these canyons, as well as destroying much of the human built infrastructure
> along those rivers. US Highway 34 in the Big Thompson Canyon between
> Loveland and Fort Collins in particular is still being reconstructed. This
> is not shown, or not fully shown, on the sources of overhead imagery we
> generally have available in OSM.  I continue to find that other mappers
> have added features back to the map which were destroyed by the flood, and
> which I and other local mappers correctly deleted.  Before you add what may
> appear to be a missing building, parking lot, reservoir, dam, park, trail,
> etc., please be sure it really exists in reality today.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Support OSM communities and disaster response this holiday season (by 31 Dec)

[Simon Poole]

I don't think that it is really any of our business what HOT does with
its funds.

I do consider it slightly ironical that HOT is approaching non-HOT OSM
for funds to distribute to what are in the end OSM groups though, surely
we can do that ourselves if it should be done at all.  Wouldn't we
rather want to spend our money on making groups dependent on us (as in
larger OSM and the OSMF) and not on an organisation we don't control at
all? Making that process transparent is then in our hands (see my
suggestion to have funds dissemination to be done by a different group
than the OSMF board).

Simon

Am 16.12.2017 um 17:52 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
> 2017-12-16 17:04 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar  >:
>
>
> And surely saying that the decision-making process is "completely
> intransparent" is just being plain lazy. Here are several blog
> posts and documents providing quite a bit of detail into the
> process and results that can be reached with just a couple minutes
> of Googling:
>
> 
> https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2016-12-06_funds_for_community_led_projects_the_2017_hot_microgrants_program
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-02-02_hot_microgrants_programme_launches_0
> 
> 
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SVI_wxf0CbZ2pOOf8kuqREkZwvmxmSTp9i3jbHsBkCo/edit
> 
> 
> https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-04-20_hot_microgrants_2017_results
> 
>
>
>
> Eugene, you have posted 4 links, can you please explain how these
> pages contribute to transparency of the decision making process? The
> only 2 hints about the selection process I have found are as vague as
> possible:
>
>
> "* Who decides?
> Applications will be evaluated and funding decisions made by a panel
> with representation from HOT senior staff, Board of Directors, HOT
> voting membership, donor organizations, and external advisors."
>
> and then:
> "We had a fantastic response to our first ever Microgrants Programme,
> with over 70 applications from nearly 50 countries worldwide. After
> much deliberation, we’re pleased to announce we are supporting the
> following projects with Microgrants for 2017 (in no particular order):"
> (followed by a list of 8 projects)
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Editing in Front Range of US State of Colorado

[Mateusz Konieczny]

During deleting of destroyed features I typically leave outlines with notes
reminding that aerial image is outdated and delete such historic days after
aerial images are updated.

Have you tried doing something like that?

On 16 Dec 2017 4:37 p.m., "Mike Thompson"  wrote:

Hello,

If you are armchair mapping in the Front Range of the US State of Colorado,
particularly the canyons west of the cities of Loveland, Fort Collins,
etc., please be aware that we had a devastating flood here in the fall of
2013 that dramatically changed the courses of the rivers through these
canyons, as well as destroying much of the human built infrastructure along
those rivers. US Highway 34 in the Big Thompson Canyon between Loveland and
Fort Collins in particular is still being reconstructed. This is not shown,
or not fully shown, on the sources of overhead imagery we generally have
available in OSM.  I continue to find that other mappers have added
features back to the map which were destroyed by the flood, and which I and
other local mappers correctly deleted.  Before you add what may appear to
be a missing building, parking lot, reservoir, dam, park, trail, etc.,
please be sure it really exists in reality today.

Thank you,

Mike

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Re: [OSM-talk] Support OSM communities and disaster response this holiday season (by 31 Dec)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-12-16 17:04 GMT+01:00 Eugene Alvin Villar :

>
> And surely saying that the decision-making process is "completely
> intransparent" is just being plain lazy. Here are several blog posts and
> documents providing quite a bit of detail into the process and results that
> can be reached with just a couple minutes of Googling:
>
> https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2016-12-06_funds_for_
> community_led_projects_the_2017_hot_microgrants_program
> https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-02-02_hot_microgrants_programme_
> launches_0
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SVI_wxf0CbZ2pOOf8kuqREkZwvmxmSTp9i
> 3jbHsBkCo/edit
> https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-04-20_hot_microgrants_2017_results
>
>

Eugene, you have posted 4 links, can you please explain how these pages
contribute to transparency of the decision making process? The only 2 hints
about the selection process I have found are as vague as possible:


"* Who decides?
Applications will be evaluated and funding decisions made by a panel with
representation from HOT senior staff, Board of Directors, HOT voting
membership, donor organizations, and external advisors."

and then:
"We had a fantastic response to our first ever Microgrants Programme, with
over 70 applications from nearly 50 countries worldwide. After much
deliberation, we’re pleased to announce we are supporting the following
projects with Microgrants for 2017 (in no particular order):"
(followed by a list of 8 projects)

Cheers,
Martin
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[OSM-talk] Editing in Front Range of US State of Colorado

[Mike Thompson]

Hello,

If you are armchair mapping in the Front Range of the US State of Colorado,
particularly the canyons west of the cities of Loveland, Fort Collins,
etc., please be aware that we had a devastating flood here in the fall of
2013 that dramatically changed the courses of the rivers through these
canyons, as well as destroying much of the human built infrastructure along
those rivers. US Highway 34 in the Big Thompson Canyon between Loveland and
Fort Collins in particular is still being reconstructed. This is not shown,
or not fully shown, on the sources of overhead imagery we generally have
available in OSM.  I continue to find that other mappers have added
features back to the map which were destroyed by the flood, and which I and
other local mappers correctly deleted.  Before you add what may appear to
be a missing building, parking lot, reservoir, dam, park, trail, etc.,
please be sure it really exists in reality today.

Thank you,

Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Support OSM communities and disaster response this holiday season (by 31 Dec)

[Christoph Hormann]

On Saturday 16 December 2017, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if you are aware of how the microgrant system is run,
> but local OSM communities, such as OSM Zambia, submit grant proposals
> which are then selected by HOT. This is what is meant by Tyler when
> he wrote "OSM community leaders". These are basically the "leaders"
> (in the broadest sense of the word) of local communities who do the
> work of actually conceptualizing/writing a grant proposal. Hence,
> "projects conceptualized by OSM community leaders".
>
> And surely saying that the decision-making process is "completely
> intransparent" is just being plain lazy. Here are several blog posts
> and documents providing quite a bit of detail into the process and
> results that can be reached with just a couple minutes of Googling:

Thanks for the links.

I stand by my critique of how the OSM community is engrossed in how this 
is presented by HOT and also by my assessment of the decision making 
processes being intransparent (the validity of which has no bearing on 
the main point of critique though).

-- 
Christoph Hormann
http://www.imagico.de/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Support OSM communities and disaster response this holiday season (by 31 Dec)

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Christoph Hormann  wrote:

> On Thursday 14 December 2017, Tyler Radford wrote:
> > [...] big-impact projects conceptualized by OSM community leaders.
>
> I had hoped that HOT learned from the tasking manager problem a few
> months back that properly referring to OSM in a way that clarifies the
> difference between HOT and OSM is important.  The above indicates this
> hope was in vain.
>
> By saying your microgrant projects are "conceptualized by OSM community
> leaders" you imply support and endorsement from the OSM community and
> draw legitimacy from this for what from my perspective seems to be a
> program with completely intransparent decision making processes.  You
> also imply the existence of a hierarchy in OSM of leaders and followers
> which is not an accurate representation of the reality of OSM either.
>
> There is nothing wrong with supporting mapping projects with money, even
> if the criteria for that are unclear and subjective but you should not
> present this as if this financing is somehow integrated into and
> supervised by the OSM community.
>

Christoph, it's no secret that you are quite skeptical about HOT and wary
of their influence on the wider OSM community, but I think you are letting
your views color any communication from HOT in a negative light.

I'm not sure if you are aware of how the microgrant system is run, but
local OSM communities, such as OSM Zambia, submit grant proposals which are
then selected by HOT. This is what is meant by Tyler when he wrote "OSM
community leaders". These are basically the "leaders" (in the broadest
sense of the word) of local communities who do the work of actually
conceptualizing/writing a grant proposal. Hence, "projects conceptualized
by OSM community leaders".

And surely saying that the decision-making process is "completely
intransparent" is just being plain lazy. Here are several blog posts and
documents providing quite a bit of detail into the process and results that
can be reached with just a couple minutes of Googling:

https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2016-12-06_funds_for_community_led_projects_the_2017_hot_microgrants_program
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-02-02_hot_microgrants_programme_launches_0
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SVI_wxf0CbZ2pOOf8kuqREkZwvmxmSTp9i3jbHsBkCo/edit
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-04-20_hot_microgrants_2017_results
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #386 2017-12-05-2017-12-11

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 386,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9784/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM? 
who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [OSM-talk] Street names QA

[Dave F]

Hi

Am I meant to be seeing a transparent pink overlay instead of roads at z13?

DaveF

On 14/12/2017 00:13, Simon Poole wrote:


The server crashed this morning, but is back now. Unluckily it seems 
as if the new machine is not quite as stable as its predecessor.


Simon


On 13.12.2017 17:59, Javier Sánchez Portero wrote:

Hello

I can't access to qa.poole.ch  [1]. Is temporary 
down? If permanently is there any alternative?


Greetings

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Qa.poole.ch_(QA_tool) 




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