Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Michael, thanks for your comments!

The original searchbox functionality has been restored, sorry for the
delay.  See also some related requests to make it even more useful. [1]

I have made some changes to the OpenStreetMap:Wikibase wiki page - could
you take a look?  I would love your help in creating a better guide, so any
feedback, suggestions, and outlines of how it should be done are welcome.
Feel free to even sketch some page content and I will be happy to improve
it with details.

We had 18 wonderful contributors to the new data system in just over a
week, providing hundreds of improvements. This seems to indicate that 1)
there is significant interest, especially in providing translations, and 2)
editing is not extremely difficult.  That said, we certainly should make it
even easier to use.

You do have a point about the validation rules and wiki.  As a developer,
you can create and maintain them yourself. It does require a lot of work,
reduces the number of contributors, and has far less community oversight,
but it gives the developer full control over the rules. Wiki solves most of
it, but gives you less control.  I think one approach is to mix the two,
e.g. run a simple script to generate and store the rules file from the
wiki. Every time you regenerate that file, you will see all the changes,
but you won't have to create them yourself.  Plus all other developers will
be looking at the same data, so there is far better chance of spotting
issues early on.

[1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T190454

(P.S. Michael sorry for the dup, i made a few minor changes)
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

[Yuri Astrakhan]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:50 AM Mateusz Konieczny <  matkoni...@tutanota.com
  > wrote:

> Main point of separate presets is that creator of an editor has control
> over it.
>

Mateusz, who should control an app's behavior - the developer or the
community?  Can app make certain editing choices because the dev feels it
should be a certain way, without consulting the community? Can community
make changes impacting the app?  Going too far into both direction seems
bad.  See my other post to Michael -- I think having a structured data
approach allows the dev to easily generate and compare versions of the
rules. This way both the community can easily modify the rules when needed,
and the dev can have a second glance over it, to see exactly what has
changed.

Essentially it is the same problem as with any other wiki, including osm
map data itself -- ease and speed of community's contributions vs
vandalism/errors.  Someone makes a mistake and half of Asia shows as being
under water (I saw that once on WP maps).  Someone else vandalizes NYC
name, and we get a lot of media attention... bad attention.

Devs cannot know all the mapping rules - they cannot be responsible for
checking them all. Instead, it would be better if we build good validation
practices around those rules, so that any vandalism or simple mistakes
become easy to spot, and very quick to fix.

(P.S. Mateusz, sorry for the dup)
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Wikibase is now live

[Mateusz Konieczny]

26. Sep 2018 21:18 by yuriastrak...@gmail.com :


> In the last week, we had 18 users making nearly 900 changes




For someone maintaining an editor it is a drawback, not benefit. On wiki if 
someone

decides to mark (for example) landuse=forest as wrong, evil and deprecated it 
will be 


just ignored or reverted.




If it would be imported into editor it may result in a buggy editor encouraging 
to make 


undesirable edits (undesirable as defined by author of the editor).





Main point of separate presets is that creator of an editor has control over it.
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