Re: [talk-au] Admin levels for LGAs / suburbs etc changed (Was "Suburbs & admin boundaries stopping streets being found?)

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 20:01, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au <
talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> Sep 2, 2020, 06:06 by thesw...@gmail.com:
>
> On 2/09/2020 10:38 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>
> Did a bit of searching & it appears it was only changed on 15/7/20, but
> no, I certainly don't remember any discussion?
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Admin_level_10=prev=2012028
>
> Makes reference to "Australian Tagging Review (2012 / 2016)", but that
> doesn't help me much either?
>
>
> Sigh.
>
> He is a serial offender:
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2019-October/013009.html
>
> There was no discussion. I'd suggest that the changes to the wiki page
> should be reverted.
>
> I posted on their talk page on Wiki with request to explain what is the
> source of change +
> mailing list links.
>
> See
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aaronsta=2028532=1185639
>
> BTW, if he is serial offender why noone ever commented on their talk page?
> Maybe it would help and they have some good point?
>

So are we in agreement that this change should be reverted?

& if so, how is it done? Is it just a matter of clicking the "undo" button
on that edit, leaving a comment & that's it?

Thanks

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Re: [talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Duplicate of the same airport

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 18:31, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) <
v-neb...@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>
> However, according to this Wikipedia page
> , it is
> said that in AU there are 4 such airports.
>

I'd add Canberra to that list!

One side is Canberra International Airport
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-35.30767/149.19034, while the other
is still used for military flights
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-35.30218/149.19963

This page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairbairn,_Canberra, says that RAAF
Fairbairn was decommissioned in 2003, but it is still the home of 34
Squadron who are responsible for most VIP flights in & out of Canberra.

Thanks

Graeme

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Re: [OSM-talk] Examples of good paid mapping?

[Bryce Cogswell via talk]

Exactly. When companies do it right nobody knows they’re doing it. 

> On Sep 11, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
> 
>  Most companies are doing well, and get along well, we just only hear about 
> the problems. So it’s probably not this or that company to highlight, but 
> particular mapping projects that illustrate well how it’s done.
> 
> Mikel
> On Friday, September 11, 2020, 3:54 PM, Michał Brzozowski 
>  
> 
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Do we have any examples of companies that do paid mapping (preferably at 
> scale) and do it right?
> Maybe leading by example will help other mapping teams get along better with 
> local OSM communities?
> 
> Michał
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Re: [OSM-talk] Examples of good paid mapping?

[Mikel Maron]

Most companies are doing well, and get along well, we just only hear about the 
problems. So it’s probably not this or that company to highlight, but 
particular mapping projects that illustrate well how it’s done.

Mikel

On Friday, September 11, 2020, 3:54 PM, Michał Brzozowski 
 
 wrote:
Hi all,Do we have any examples of companies that do paid mapping (preferably at 
scale) and do it right?Maybe leading by example will help other mapping teams 
get along better with local OSM communities?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 11. Sep 2020, at 21:47, Kathleen Lu  wrote:
> 
> Assuming that we're taking about a physical object, I don't see how the 
> importer would have any obligations to do anything under copyright law, 
> database law, or contact law. That question preempts any ODbL analysis.


we are talking about a produced work from an ODbL licensed database. It’s like 
a printed map.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Examples of good paid mapping?

[stevea]

On Sep 11, 2020, at 1:06 PM, James  wrote:
> I've been paid in the past to do mapping for someone, but I was already an 
> active experienced osm mapper beforehand.
> 
> How to be successful:
>  Listen to osm experts/community and not fight against them
>  Use existing tags on the wiki, don't invent your own
>  Verify data accuracy as much as you can, not dump data
> 
> When merging data, verify if data is older than yours, locals usually have a 
> better sense of what buildings/pois have been demolished/exist.

Great question, Michał!

I've been paid by clients to both map in OSM (so the database is consistent 
with my client's expectations at the same time it is "correct" according to OSM 
community standards) and using OSM to make a map (a map product that was 
included in a published book, for example).

I'm 100% in agreement with James:  listening to the greater OSM community 
(along WITH your client's needs) is paramount, lest your edits get redacted.  
Use existing tags:  reading wiki and sampling existing data with taginfo or 
Overpass Turbo queries can go a long distance at researching "what is" in OSM 
(perhaps rather than what you might "wish to be").  If what you do can be 
considered an import or entering new data (most paid gigs are exactly that, 
while some smaller set improve existing data), DO verify accuracy on existing 
data to the greatest extent practical, best to do so both before and after your 
work.  Actively seek and implement high quality (top-level precision, 
thoughtful, careful, community-accepted accuracy in tagging, keeping any 
required / expected communication or status reporting frequently updated...) 
throughout the project.

Small consultancies like mine that do "paid mapping" might not seem an obvious 
best source to ask this, but as our answers resonate with "excellent work, pays 
attention to quality..." we really do "lead by example," however minor our 
efforts may seem.  Bigger companies and tech giants that use or intend to use 
OSM:  please respect our community (and its standards and practices) first and 
foremost.  You are welcome — though, everybody appreciates respect.  As is true 
in many endeavors, it takes a long time and is challenging to build up a good 
reputation, which is easily harmed by foolish, anti-community blunders, so 
avoid these!  Finally, when in doubt, seek consensus:  plenty of community 
wants to help make a better map, but only with agreement does that happen.

SteveA


> On Fri., Sep. 11, 2020, 3:56 p.m. Michał Brzozowski,  
> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Do we have any examples of companies that do paid mapping (preferably at 
> scale) and do it right?
> Maybe leading by example will help other mapping teams get along better with 
> local OSM communities?
> 
> Michał


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Re: [OSM-talk] Examples of good paid mapping?

[James]

I've been paid in the past to do mapping for someone, but I was already an
active experienced osm mapper beforehand.

How to be successful:

 Listen to osm experts/community and not fight against them

Use existing tags on the wiki, don't invent your own

Verify data accuracy as much as you can, not dump data

When merging data, verify if data is older than yours, locals usually have
a better sense of what buildings/pois have been demolished/exist

On Fri., Sep. 11, 2020, 3:56 p.m. Michał Brzozowski, 
wrote:

> Hi all,
> Do we have any examples of companies that do paid mapping (preferably at
> scale) and do it right?
> Maybe leading by example will help other mapping teams get along better
> with local OSM communities?
>
> Michał
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[OSM-talk] Examples of good paid mapping?

[Michał Brzozowski]

Hi all,
Do we have any examples of companies that do paid mapping (preferably at
scale) and do it right?
Maybe leading by example will help other mapping teams get along better
with local OSM communities?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Kathleen Lu via talk]

Assuming that we're taking about a physical object, I don't see how the
importer would have any obligations to do anything under copyright law,
database law, or contact law. That question preempts any ODbL analysis.



On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 11:53 AM Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 11. Sep 2020, at 20:46, Kathleen Lu  wrote:
>
> If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in
> Poland, and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum),
> that's also fine because attribution was reasonable given the context.
>
>
>
> it would be fine from the map maker‘s perspective, but not for the people
> that bring the map to London:
>
> 4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work
> does not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a
> Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work
> reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses,
> interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that
> Content was obtained from the Database, Derivative Database, or the
> Database as part of a Collective Database, and that it is available under
> this License.
>
>
>
> you could easily fix this by adding attribution in a locally standard
> language.
>
> Cheers Martin
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[OSM-talk-ie] Irish Pub preset

[Rory McCann]

Hi all,

In case yous missed it, iD v2.18.5 now has a preset (created by yours truly[]1] 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/pull/7852 ) for “Irish Pubs” 
(`theme=irish`). This was deployed on 9th Sept 2020.

And don't worry, the preset is disabled in Ireland to prevent everyone thinking 
everything should be tagged that way.

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/2821

https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/efe82822b7b70b3317383e0c3cc8e00422e0e70d/CHANGELOG.md#2185


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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 11. Sep 2020, at 20:46, Kathleen Lu  wrote:
> 
> If you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in Poland, 
> and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), that's also 
> fine because attribution was reasonable given the context.


it would be fine from the map maker‘s perspective, but not for the people that 
bring the map to London:

4.3 Notice for using output (Contents). Creating and Using a Produced Work does 
not require the notice in Section 4.2. However, if you Publicly Use a Produced 
Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably 
calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is 
otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was obtained from the 
Database, Derivative Database, or the Database as part of a Collective 
Database, and that it is available under this License.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Kathleen Lu via talk]

"Reasonable" means that if you put the attribution in a language that most
people would expect, then it's fine, including at an airport in Poland. If
you put the attribution in Polish for a map meant for display in Poland,
and then later the map is moved to London (say, to a museum), that's also
fine because attribution was reasonable given the context.
If you are making a map for London and you start off by making it in
Polish, that would be really weird, but in the OSM context, since
"OpenStreetMap" is a name that doesn't change depending on the language,
it's still sufficient, since "OpenStreetMap" by itself is sufficient. (If
an organization like "Department of Geology" was the source of an ODbL
database, your language choice might have more of a bearing on
reasonableness depending on viewing context.)


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:34 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk <
talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> 11 Sep 2020, 18:18 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
>
>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> On 11. Sep 2020, at 13:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk <
> talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
> For example on my laser cut map I used
> "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL"
> as it will be used in way where Polish
> would be clearly expected to be
> understood
>
>
>
> will this limit the places where you can exhibit the work to Poland?
>
> Or more specifically to places where all people can be
> assumed to be able to understand
> Polish.
>
> It should be easy to find places in
> Poland where many do not understand
> Polish at all (airports for start).
>
> In this case it is a gift for a friend so it
> should be fine, I think.
>
> It would be interesting who would
> be in violation if that plywood piece would
> be displayed publicly in place where this
> assumption would not hold true.
>
> I am quite curious about answers but
> not enough to spend £€¥ on a lawyer.
>
> Or would it be sufficient attribution also for a display in e.g. London?
>
> Probably no, but I am not a lawyer,
> and also not someone able to answer
> is meaning clear for English-only speaker.
>
> So I am not certain but I assume that answer is "no".
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[angelo.mornata]

Si AndreaGrazieInviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
 Messaggio originale Da: Andrea Albani  Data: 
11/09/20  19:30  (GMT+01:00) A: openstreetmap list - italiano 
 Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota Il giorno ven 11 
set 2020 alle ore 18:42 angelo.mornata  ha scritto:

Provate a vedere come funziona la F di falso perché quella si vede ancora.Non 
mi è chiaro cosa vuoi dire intendi la F del tag fixme ? 
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

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Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 18:42 angelo.mornata <
angelo.morn...@hotmail.it> ha scritto:

> Provate a vedere come funziona la F di falso perché quella si vede ancora.
>
>
Non mi è chiaro cosa vuoi dire intendi la F del tag fixme ?
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[Andrea Albani]

... scoperto ora una scorciatoia molto più pratica.
Nella lista degli stili tasto destro sullo stile di default di JOSM, dal
menu selezionare impostazioni stile e quindi "Display note=* annotation on
nodes". Non serve neanche fare ripartire JOSM.

Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 18:36 Andrea Albani 
ha scritto:

> Ciao,
>
> la change è relativa alla risoluzione di questo ticket [1] che ha
> introdotto due novità:
> - le note appaiono ad un livello di zoom più alto
> - sono disabilitate per default
>
> Per tornare alla precedente situazione:
> - nelle preferenze avanzate cerca il parametro
> resource://styles/standard/elemstyles.mapcss:boolean:note_annotation e
> impostalo a true
> - fai ripartire JOSM
>
> Ciao
>
> [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19555
>
> Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 11:04 angelo mornata <
> angelo.morn...@hotmail.it> ha scritto:
>
>> Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più visibile la “N”  delle note sulla
>> cartina di josm in fase di caricamento,
>>
>> è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per quelli che volevano continuare
>> un percorso, o conoscevano la zona e potevano sistemare/completare.
>>
>>
>>
>> Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> Inviato da Posta  per
>> Windows 10
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[Andrea Albani]

Interessante, ma questo fa vedere il il valore del tag note a video, non
ripristina la N citata da Angelo.
Ciao

Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 18:45 Manuel  ha
scritto:

> Non è necessario agire a livello di preferenze avanzate. Basa andare nel
> menu orizzontale in altro Impostazioni>Preferenze, cliccare sul simbolo
> della mappa in alto a sinistra, andare nella tab "Map Paint Stiles" e
> attivare "Fix me and notes"
> Manuel, Mannivu @Wikimedia
> Il 11/09/2020 18:36, Andrea Albani ha scritto:
>
> Ciao,
>
> la change è relativa alla risoluzione di questo ticket [1] che ha
> introdotto due novità:
> - le note appaiono ad un livello di zoom più alto
> - sono disabilitate per default
>
> Per tornare alla precedente situazione:
> - nelle preferenze avanzate cerca il parametro
> resource://styles/standard/elemstyles.mapcss:boolean:note_annotation e
> impostalo a true
> - fai ripartire JOSM
>
> Ciao
>
> [1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19555
>
> Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 11:04 angelo mornata <
> angelo.morn...@hotmail.it> ha scritto:
>
>> Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più visibile la “N”  delle note sulla
>> cartina di josm in fase di caricamento,
>>
>> è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per quelli che volevano continuare
>> un percorso, o conoscevano la zona e potevano sistemare/completare.
>>
>>
>>
>> Angelo
>>
>>
>>
>> Inviato da Posta  per
>> Windows 10
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Re: [Talk-es] Herramienta para mejorar los procesos de creación de consensos en la comunidad

[hugo]

Agrego un hilo de recopilación de enlaces para darle más contenido



El jue, 10 de sep de 2020 a las 19:40, m...@marcos-martinez.net 
escribió:

Hola todos,



Tal y como ya he anunciado en Telegram quiero dirigirme a la comundad 
ES para insistir en la necesidad de organizarnos con mayor 
eficiencia, sobre todo ahora que se está planteando constituir 
oficialmente un chapter nuevo dentro de OSM.




Afortunadamente nuestra comunidad se caracteriza por ser viva y 
entusiasta lo cual a menudo resulta en debates acalorados sobre temas 
muy diversos. Estos debates son necesarios y sanos pero creo que 
desperdiciamos energía y tiempo si no somos capazes de traducirlos 
en consensos tangibles. En mi humilde opinión, las consecuencias que 
más nos impactan son:




1. Es dificil confirmar con cifras que se haya llagado a una 
decisión u otra y por tanto no se puede actualizar legítimamente la 
Wiki, la cual debe recoger todas las normas que hemos acordado.




2. El punto anterior implica que los principiantes siguen sin tener 
pautas claras a medida que vamos afinándolas. Y como tienen dudas 
todo entran en telegram, sacan el tema – y volvemos a empezar.




3. Hay temas que aparecen con cierta recurrencia y como no podemos 
construir sobre un debate ya existente todo el mundo tiene que montar 
su argumentación desde zero cada vez.




4. A falta de números transparentes solo se puede intuir en qué 
consiste un nueve consenso y a veces parece que los que más ruido 
crean se llevan el gato al agua.




5. Un debate en Telegram no vale ya que no es un canal oficial y por 
tanto no llega a todo la comunidad y además no queda constancia de 
un hilo de debate.




6. Debates en la lista de mail sí llegan a toda la comunidad pero es 
poco intuitivo a la hora de seguir la discusión sobre un punto 
específico. Además no permite votar y concretar una resolución.




Todos estos puntos ha hecho reflexionar a algunos de la comunidad y 
con la inestimable ayudade J. Montesque lo ha instalado en su 
servidor,hemos empezado a probar una herramienta que nos puede ayudar 
y que ya está siendo utilizada tanto en la comunidad OSM de UK como 
enl a misma OSMF: LOOMIO








En LOOMIOse pueden crear “Threads” sobre cualquier tema 
permitiendo responder y crear un hilo espécifico sobre un aspecto 
dentro del thread, añadir documentos/fotos/etc. para documentar una 
opinión, hacer encuestas para sondear un tema ysobre todo:hacer una 
votación final. Los threas son públicos pero hay que crear un 
usuario para participar en el debate.




Quiero invitar a todo el mundo acrear un usuarioy probar las 
opciones, responder ahilosque ya hemos creado y/ocrear nuevos.Se 
trata de que la máxima cantidad de gente participe, sobre todo los 
veteranos con más conocimientos y con más presencia en los debates 
de Telegram.


Animo a crear hilos sobre temas que hemos discutido recientemente de 
forma controversa, como por ejemplo lo de los „name:es“ – que 
por cierto es representativo de los puntos criticados: en qué hemos 
quedado al final? Se ha debatido pero ha quedado el mal cuerpo de 
quecada uno lo haga como quiera sin resolver el problema de fondo.


Gracias por leer este tostón

Marcos (Mar Mar)



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Re: [OSM-talk] Annual OSMF General Meeting on Saturday, 12 December 2020, 16:00 UTC

[Rory McCann (OSMF Board)]

Hi all,

Remember, if you have not been an OSMF members for 90 days before the 
election, you are not entitled to vote for the OSMF Board. And that 
deadline is in a day or so.


So, if I've done by maths right, if you're a member on 
2020-09-12T23:59:59Z you can definitely vote, after that, you can't. 
That's about 31 hours from this email.


Countdown timer: 
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=1440=20200912T235959=OSMF%20Membership




On 11.09.20 15:43, Dorothea Kazazi wrote:

Hi all,

The 14th Annual General Meeting of the OpenStreetMap Foundation will be
held online on Saturday, 12 December 2020 at 16:00 UTC.

This meeting will have a board election, with three seats available.
There are seven seats on the foundation board.

Information about email voting and the schedule for those who want to 
run for
the board will be sent in due course. Voting will open one week before 
the AGM.


Reference pages
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meetings/2020
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board

warm greetings,
Dorothea

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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[Manuel]

Non è necessario agire a livello di preferenze avanzate. Basa andare nel menu orizzontale in altro 
Impostazioni>Preferenze, cliccare sul simbolo della mappa in alto a sinistra, andare nella tab 
"Map Paint Stiles" e attivare "Fix me and notes"
Manuel, Mannivu @Wikimedia
Il 11/09/2020 18:36, Andrea Albani ha scritto:

Ciao,

la change è relativa alla risoluzione di questo ticket [1] che ha introdotto 
due novità:
- le note appaiono ad un livello di zoom più alto
- sono disabilitate per default

Per tornare alla precedente situazione:
- nelle preferenze avanzate cerca il parametro 
resource://styles/standard/elemstyles.mapcss:boolean:note_annotation e 
impostalo a true
- fai ripartire JOSM

Ciao

[1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19555

Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 11:04 angelo mornata mailto:angelo.morn...@hotmail.it>> ha scritto:

Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più visibile la “N”  delle note sulla 
cartina di josm in fase di caricamento,

è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per quelli che volevano continuare un 
percorso, o conoscevano la zona e potevano sistemare/completare.

Angelo

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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[angelo.mornata]

Provate a vedere come funziona la F di falso perché quella si vede 
ancora.GrazieAngeloInviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
 Messaggio originale Da: liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu 
 Data: 11/09/20  18:14  (GMT+01:00) A: 
talk-it@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota Il 11/09/20 17:39, 
angelo.mornata ha scritto:> > Esatto Simone GrazieInviato da smartphone Samsung 
Galaxy.Ho provato a guardare sui changeset di josm, ma non ne trovo bug 
omodifiche, o meglio, non riesco a trovare un modo di fare ricerca utilein 
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[Andrea Albani]

Ciao,

la change è relativa alla risoluzione di questo ticket [1] che ha
introdotto due novità:
- le note appaiono ad un livello di zoom più alto
- sono disabilitate per default

Per tornare alla precedente situazione:
- nelle preferenze avanzate cerca il parametro
resource://styles/standard/elemstyles.mapcss:boolean:note_annotation e
impostalo a true
- fai ripartire JOSM

Ciao

[1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19555

Il giorno ven 11 set 2020 alle ore 11:04 angelo mornata <
angelo.morn...@hotmail.it> ha scritto:

> Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più visibile la “N”  delle note sulla
> cartina di josm in fase di caricamento,
>
> è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per quelli che volevano continuare
> un percorso, o conoscevano la zona e potevano sistemare/completare.
>
>
>
> Angelo
>
>
>
> Inviato da Posta  per
> Windows 10
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

11 Sep 2020, 18:18 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
>> On 11. Sep 2020, at 13:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> For example on my laser cut map I used
>> "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL"
>> as it will be used in way where Polish
>> would be clearly expected to be 
>> understood
>>
>
>
> will this limit the places where you can exhibit the work to Poland? 
>
Or more specifically to places where all people can be
assumed to be able to understand 
Polish.

It should be easy to find places in 
Poland where many do not understand
Polish at all (airports for start).
In this case it is a gift for a friend so it
should be fine, I think.

It would be interesting who would
be in violation if that plywood piece would
be displayed publicly in place where this
assumption would not hold true.

I am quite curious about answers butnot enough to spend £€¥ on a lawyer.
> Or would it be sufficient attribution also for a display in e.g. London?
>
Probably no, but I am not a lawyer,
and also not someone able to answer 
is meaning clear for English-only speaker.

So I am not certain but I assume that answer is "no".
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[Talk-it] ultima possibilità per diventare membro OSMF e votare quest’anno

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Vi segnalo che dovete diventare membri entro domani mezzanotte per ancora poter 
votare il board nel 2020


Voting for election to board[edit]
Only fully paid up members will be able to vote, and only those who were 
members for the full 90 days prior to the AGM date. (Deadline for becoming a 
new member eligible to vote: 2020-09-12 23:59:59 UTC)


diventare membro associato è diventato gratuito per mappatori attivi (42 giorni 
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[Talk-it-lazio] ultima possibilità per diventare membro OSMF e votare quest’anno

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Vi segnalo che dovete diventare membri entro domani mezzanotte per ancora poter 
votare il board nel 2020


Voting for election to board[edit]
Only fully paid up members will be able to vote, and only those who were 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 11. Sep 2020, at 13:21, Mateusz Konieczny via talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> For example on my laser cut map I used
> "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL"
> as it will be used in way where Polish
> would be clearly expected to be 
> understood


will this limit the places where you can exhibit the work to Poland? Or would 
it be sufficient attribution also for a display in e.g. London?

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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 11/09/20 17:39, angelo.mornata ha scritto:
> 
> Esatto Simone GrazieInviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy.

Ho provato a guardare sui changeset di josm, ma non ne trovo bug o
modifiche, o meglio, non riesco a trovare un modo di fare ricerca utile
in questo contesto essendo una parola ambigua che si presta a diversi
usi in informatica.


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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[angelo.mornata]

Esatto SimoneGrazieInviato da smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
 Messaggio originale Da: liste_girarsi 
 Data: 11/09/20  16:46  (GMT+01:00) A: openstreetmap 
list - italiano  Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota 
Il 11 settembre 2020 12:38:15 CEST, "angelo.mornata" 
 ha scritto:>>Ciao Alle Il simbolo N sulla cartina 
non si vede più.  AngeloInviato da>smartphone Samsung Galaxy.> 
Messaggio originale Da: Alessandro 
Sarretta> Data: 11/09/20  11:39  (GMT+01:00) 
A:>talk-it@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota >    Ciao 
Angelo,>    io dovrei avere installata l'ultima versione (ho la 17013) e vedo>  
    sempre presente l'opzione dello scaricamento delle note. O forse>  stai 
parlando di un'altra funzionalità?>    Ale>    >    On 11/09/20 11:03, angelo 
mornata>  wrote:>    >    >  >  >  >  >    Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più>
  visibile la “N”  delle note sulla cartina di josm in fase di>  
caricamento,>    è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per>  quelli 
che volevano continuare un percorso, o conoscevano la>  zona e potevano 
sistemare/completare.>     >    Angelo    >     >    Inviato da 
>    Posta per Windows 10>     >  >  >  >  
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skype/twitter: alesarrett>  Web: ilsarrett.wordpress.com>    >  
  Research information:>    >    >  Google>  
scholar profile>  ORCID>  Research>  Gate>  
Impactstory>  >    >  >    >  Ti riferisci al tag note=*, che 
visualizza il simbolo N, nella mappa vettoriale di josm--simone 
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

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Il 11 settembre 2020 12:38:15 CEST, "angelo.mornata" 
 ha scritto:
>
>Ciao Alle Il simbolo N sulla cartina non si vede più.  AngeloInviato da
>smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
> Messaggio originale Da: Alessandro Sarretta
> Data: 11/09/20  11:39  (GMT+01:00) A:
>talk-it@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota 
>Ciao Angelo,
>io dovrei avere installata l'ultima versione (ho la 17013) e vedo
>  sempre presente l'opzione dello scaricamento delle note. O forse
>  stai parlando di un'altra funzionalità?
>Ale
>
>On 11/09/20 11:03, angelo mornata
>  wrote:
>
>
>  
>  
>  
>  
>Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più
>  visibile la “N”  delle note sulla cartina di josm in fase di
>  caricamento,
>è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per
>  quelli che volevano continuare un percorso, o conoscevano la
>  zona e potevano sistemare/completare.
> 
>Angelo    
> 
>Inviato da 
>Posta per Windows 10
> 
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Ti riferisci al tag note=*, che visualizza il simbolo N, nella mappa vettoriale 
di josm

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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Mike Thompson]

Thanks Kathleen and Mateusz!

I will thank Ron for the change and try to start a dialog with our DWG
about AllTrails asking their users to contact the DWG directly with map
errors.

Mike

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:21 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk <
talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> AFAIK such text should be perfectly fine
> as long as it is clear displayed
> (not deeply hidden in weird menu,
> not hidden behind basically never clicked
> buttons and so on).
>
> ODBL requires to make users aware of
> source and license, it does not mandate
> a specific text.
>
> For example on my laser cut map I used
> "Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL"
> as it will be used in way where Polish
> would be clearly expected to be
> understood.
>
> 10 Sep 2020, 18:07 by talk@openstreetmap.org:
>
> [0] https://www.alltrails.com/ (in the search box enter the name of a
> trail, park, or city to see their map.)
>
> It looks like AllTrails now correctly attributes OpenStreetMap.  Those of
> you more familiar with the licensing might want to chime in and let me know
> if simply stating "(c) OpenStreetMap" instead of "(c) OpenStreetMap
> Contributors" is adequate (also, keep in mind that only some of their map
> data comes from OSM).  If it is adequate, I will send Ron a note thanking
> him, and starting the conversation between him and the DWG about AllTrails
> directing data issues directly to the DWG.
>
> Yes, it's fine
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[OSM-talk] Annual OSMF General Meeting on Saturday, 12 December 2020, 16:00 UTC

[Dorothea Kazazi]

Hi all,

The 14th Annual General Meeting of the OpenStreetMap Foundation will be
held online on Saturday, 12 December 2020 at 16:00 UTC.

This meeting will have a board election, with three seats available.
There are seven seats on the foundation board.

Information about email voting and the schedule for those who want to run
for
the board will be sent in due course. Voting will open one week before the
AGM.

Reference pages
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Annual_General_Meetings/2020
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board

warm greetings,
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie]

Is it a former administrative boundary?

I would comply delete it if it no longer
administrative boundary.

11 Sep 2020, 13:27 by br...@hollinshead.net:

> Under Si 615 of 2018 many of the LEAs in Dublin were altered. After
> creating the new ones, I added historic=yes and end dates to the ones that
> were changed and left boundary=political as the category. see
> openstreetmap.org/relation/4655804.
> Please is this the preferred method at large, and if not what is? Perhaps I
> need to change the 24 I did this with.
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[OSM-talk-ie] Tagging of LEAs that changed in 2019

[Brian Hollinshead]

Under Si 615 of 2018 many of the LEAs in Dublin were altered. After
creating the new ones, I added historic=yes and end dates to the ones that
were changed and left boundary=political as the category. see
openstreetmap.org/relation/4655804.
Please is this the preferred method at large, and if not what is? Perhaps I
need to change the 24 I did this with.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data without attribution

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

AFAIK such text should be perfectly fine
as long as it is clear displayed
(not deeply hidden in weird menu,
not hidden behind basically never clicked
buttons and so on).
ODBL requires to make users aware of
source and license, it does not mandate
a specific text.

For example on my laser cut map I used
"Dane z OpenStreetMap na licencji ODBL"
as it will be used in way where Polish
would be clearly expected to be 
understood.
10 Sep 2020, 18:07 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

> [0] > https://www.alltrails.com/>  (in the search box enter the name of a 
> trail, park, or city to see their map.)
>
>> It looks like AllTrails now correctly attributes OpenStreetMap.  Those of 
>> you more familiar with the licensing might want to chime in and let me know 
>> if simply stating "(c) OpenStreetMap" instead of "(c) OpenStreetMap 
>> Contributors" is adequate (also, keep in mind that only some of their map 
>> data comes from OSM).  If it is adequate, I will send Ron a note thanking 
>> him, and starting the conversation between him and the DWG about AllTrails 
>> directing data issues directly to the DWG.
>>
>>
> Yes, it's fine 
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[angelo.mornata]

Ciao Alle Il simbolo N sulla cartina non si vede più.  AngeloInviato da 
smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
 Messaggio originale Da: Alessandro Sarretta 
 Data: 11/09/20  11:39  (GMT+01:00) A: 
talk-it@openstreetmap.org Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota 
Ciao Angelo,
io dovrei avere installata l'ultima versione (ho la 17013) e vedo
  sempre presente l'opzione dello scaricamento delle note. O forse
  stai parlando di un'altra funzionalità?
Ale

On 11/09/20 11:03, angelo mornata
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più
  visibile la “N”  delle note sulla cartina di josm in fase di
  caricamento,
è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per
  quelli che volevano continuare un percorso, o conoscevano la
  zona e potevano sistemare/completare.
 
Angelo    
 
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Re: [Talk-it] "N" di nota

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Ciao Angelo,

io dovrei avere installata l'ultima versione (ho la 17013) e vedo sempre 
presente l'opzione dello scaricamento delle note. O forse stai parlando 
di un'altra funzionalità?


Ale

On 11/09/20 11:03, angelo mornata wrote:


Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più visibile la “N”  delle note sulla 
cartina di josm in fase di caricamento,


è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per quelli che volevano 
continuare un percorso, o conoscevano la zona e potevano 
sistemare/completare.


Angelo

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[talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 527

[Tom Ka]

Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 527 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:

https://weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/13612

* Online mapathon MM.
* Problém u Geofabrik.
* Tagování elektrického vedení.
* Rozdíly adres OSM a katastru.
* Chyby nejen v Melbourne.
* Rozlišení obrubníků.
* Analýzy OSM twitteru.
* Mobilní editory OSM.
* Nový DB server.
* Typy členství OSMF.
* 42 dnů mapování.
* Další zastoupení OSMF.
* Sága OSM Buildings.
* Naučte se QGIS.
* Globální Mapillary.
* Nový styl map Google.
* Co dělá mapa s mozkem.

Pěkné počtení ...

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[Talk-it] "N" di nota

[angelo mornata]

Dall’ultimo aggiornamento non è più visibile la “N”  delle note sulla cartina 
di josm in fase di caricamento,
è un vero peccato, era un riferimento per quelli che volevano continuare un 
percorso, o conoscevano la zona e potevano sistemare/completare.

Angelo

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Re: [talk-au] [EXTERNAL] Re: Duplicate of the same airport

[Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au]

Hi everyone,

I need the assistance of the community here…
I got a feeling in March this year when military and civilian airports are 
sharing the same strip/area we should keep it as 2 separate polygons. This is 
why I’m using the same thread again.

However, according to this Wikipedia 
page, it is 
said that in AU there are 4 such airports.

  1.  Darwin International Airport 
and RAAF Base Darwin YPDN (DRW)
  2.  Newcastle Airport and 
RAAF Base Williamtown YWLM (NTL)
  3.  Townsville Airport YBTL 
(TSV) - which is tagged as military/civilian
  4.  RAAF Base Learmonth YPLM 
(LEA) - which is tagged as military only

If we do at this way, no problem, however IATA and ICAO will be duplicated (yes 
it can be merged into one polygon at the consumer side), however can someone 
create polygons for other 2 airports to have a consistent data here, or you 
think it is okay to have tagging as it is in Townsville?

Thank you in advance,
Nemanja

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:56 PM
To: Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) 
Cc: Michael James ; OpenStreetMap 

Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

No, I would leave it as 2 separate airfields, with the same info against both.

If that causes a problem, then take the codes off the airbase, as strictly 
speaking, that side of the airfield isn't an air transport destination.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 22:10, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au 
mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
Thank you all for clarification.

Thank you James for more local details.

So by your opinion is it better to have 2 separate airports with duplicated 
data (such as IATA, ICAO, etc.), or to combine into one polygon.
Taking into consideration Cleary's and Andrew's answer I would leave as is, but 
since this is isolated case in AU, and some data will be duplicated, I would 
join two polygons. Don't know what to do. 

Thank you in advance for the response.

Nemanja

-Originalna poruka-
Od: Michael James mailto:mich...@techdrive.com.au>>
Poslato: sreda, 25. mart 2020. 12:21
Za: OpenStreetMap mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
Tema: [EXTERNAL] Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport

It is a military base that allows civilian air traffic to use its runway.

As far as air traffic goes it's called Williamtown, only the civilian terminal 
area is called Newcastle airport. (28 hectares of land)

https://www.newcastleairport.com.au/corporate/about/board-governance

Hope that helps, though no map of that land parcel that they lease for the 
civilian side.

> -Original Message-
> From: cleary mailto:o...@97k.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2020 6:29 PM
> To: OpenStreetMap 
> mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org>>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Duplicate of the same airport
>
>
>
> I think the air force base and civilian airport share the same runway
> but they are two distinct entities with separate buildings etc. Same
> applies in some other cities including Canberra. I would defer to
> someone more knowledgeable but I think it remains appropriate to have two 
> separate entities mapped in OSM.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, at 7:06 PM, Nemanja Bracko (E-Search) via Talk-au
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > There are two relations in OSM that are referring to the same airport:
> >
> >  * 
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6263052
> >  * 
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4145466
> >
> >
> >
> > The first one has a *aeroway:aerodrome* tag, the second one has a
> > *military:airfield* tag.
> >
> >
> > I’m not sure should I merge these two relations since there are some
> > sporadic differences for the same tag in both relations. Please, I
> > need an extra hand on this.
> >
> >
> > This