Re: [OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

[Darafei Praliaskouski via talk]

This is okay. You still have the access to the reality to check if the edit
matches the reality.

The core reason why companies can't share the imagery is that satellite
imagery providers often put a seat license on the imagery, with "publicly
available" costing ten times as much as "this specific person will extract
the features" (they can't sell it anymore after that, and other times'
images in the area too). The best you can ask for is the scene number and
provider name to buy the same image yourself, and there's also no
requirement to know it.

(If an organization has an image and does have the license to share it and
open it up, get it uploaded on OpenAerialMap if not maintaining your own
imagery collection).


On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 1:02 AM Mike Thompson  wrote:

> Concerning this changeset:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128035436
>
> Changeset comment:
>
> added missing roads according to proprietary aerial imagery
>
> Editing organization's follow on comment:
> "Proprietary" for Lyft meaning "provided to us for use in OSM but not the
> general public"
>
> Is this acceptable?  In my mind it is not as the whole community should
> have access in order to verify and build on these edits.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

[Simon Poole]

Am 27.10.2022 um 06:17 schrieb Michael Collinson:
and note that Bing imagery is provided to us on the same basis - for 
use in OSM but not otherwise.


Mike


Bing imagery is available for inspection to everybody, for use in OSM 
terms are relaxed that would otherwise prohibit tracing etc.


Not comparable to not having access to the source at all, in this case 
we don't even know if the Lyft employee is referring to street level 
images (which might actually need processing before release), or 
aerial/sat imagery.


Simon



On 2022-10-27 00:08, Clifford Snow wrote:


On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:59 PM Mike Thompson  
wrote:


Concerning this changeset:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/128035436

Changeset comment:

added missing roads according to proprietary aerial imagery

Editing organization's follow on comment:
"Proprietary" for Lyft meaning "provided to us for use in OSM but
not the general public"

Is this acceptable?  In my mind it is not as the whole community
should have access in order to verify and build on these edits.

I look at it as if they were using local knowledge. For example, If I 
walk downtown and take pictures of business doors to capture address, 
name, and hours for use in updating OSM but don't upload those pics - 
I consider that acceptable.


For Lyft to make their imagery public they would have to insure that 
nothing private, such as faces, license plates, etc. I'm sure they 
don't want the added cost required make them public.


Clifford

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