Re: [Talk-GB] Doodle: OpenStreetMap Brighton mapping party
On 29 October 2011 10:52, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Is anyone interested in heading down to Brighton for a mapping party before the end of the year? Place your name down here so that we can choose the best dates. http://doodle.com/xcyq94nknb2nsnw9 It looks like 19th or 20th November would suit best then. Shall we settle for the Sunday? Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] new ITO Map service in beta
On 18 March 2011 14:12, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: ITO are pleased to announce a set of new 'overlay maps' for OpenStreetMap which can highlights some of the data layers, such as speed limits, highway lane widths, whether rivers are navigable and if buildings have addresses etc. This looks great Peter, and should be very handy. I've spotted one little issue though - it doesn't seem to be picking up house numbers, leaving those buildings highlighted in red, e.g.: http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/ito_map/main?view=9bbox=-518360.44660884404,7184284.303921774,-517168.387266376,7184844.964746826layers=base_style=clear_map_history=true Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Outline of island does not change
On 16 June 2010 07:48, Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at wrote: More than one month ago I tracked a small harbor in Croatia (Lucina, Dugi Otok) and edited and uploaded the new map data using Josm. Nevertheless, if I look at the map using the OSM online viewer the new outline of the island is not rendered. It still shows the old imprecise one. What is the reason for that behavior? The coastline rendering is only updated infrequently (monthly or so, if I recall correctly) so you may need to wait just a little longer to see your changes on the Mapnik map. I think you should see the new outline if you switch the map style to the Tiles at Home map though. Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Search index not updated?
On 16 June 2010 08:15, Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at wrote: Several months ago I added some farms (place=farm) in my region. I also added names (name=... + place_name=...) as well as addresses using the addr:*= scheme. I also added roads with names. Nevertheless, if I try to find them by using the search bar of the OSM online viewer they do not show up. What am I doing wrong? The Nominatim search index is dated back at the start of March[1] so it's nothing you've done wrong, just that the search index is running behind a little. Not sure what the status is there, but perhaps someone else has some more information about when it's expected to be updated next. [1] http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Application error in Firefox
On 27 May 2010 21:12, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: This is the message I'm getting when trying to log onto http://www.openstreetmap.org/: Application error The OpenStreetMap server encountered an unexpected condition that prevented it from fulfilling the request (HTTP 500) No such error from here. And no mention on irc. Perhaps give it another whirl? And restart your browser if needed? I've had that problem here since yesterday as well. Closing Firefox and re-opening seemed to kick it into gear again though. I think I had to log in when I re-opened it, so I suspect that starting a new session is what cleared the issue for me. Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Different tile numbers in MapTiler than other tile sets
On 11 May 2010 14:35, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know how to fix it for you, but maybe look for an option (x) ignore the standards when the standards are wrong option in MapTiler? I worked around the issue in the end by re-purposing a script[1] to move tiles from TMS to Google format tile names. If anybody else is in a similar situation and wants a copy of the updated script, just give me a shout. [1] http://www.maptiler.org/google-maps-coordinates-tile-bounds-projection/ Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Different tile numbers in MapTiler than other tile sets
I was trying last night to tile some maps and imagery that I have access to. I've got MapTiler set up to generate the tiles, but I've noticed that it seems to be generating tile numbers that are different from the ones used for tiles in OSM, so Potlatch isn't able to pick them up. The tiles look the same, and the directories are numbered correctly, but just that the actual tiles are numbered differently. http://themap.im/tiles/2007_OLM_SW_tiff/13/3987/5565.png http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/3987/2626.png Can anyone point me in the right direction? Am I just using the wrong settings? Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Different tile numbers in MapTiler than other tile sets
On 11 May 2010 14:45, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: There is an active ticket about making Potlatch to support TMS tiling schema. Richard Fairhurst is willing to implement it but he is busy. It will be a great feature when it is ready because MapTiler is so simple to use. And because it is using GDAL it supports very many formats and projections. I found that ticket just after I posted, when I realised is was TMS that was being used. That'd be a great option to have if that's the standard that's being moved towards. I was quite pleased at how easy to use MapTiler was, and I guess the easier the process, the more likely people would be to let us use their geodata. Another possibility would be to make MapTiler to create tiles according to Google naming schema but I guess that Klokan is busy too, maybe with the OGC WTMS http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wmts That'd be handy too. Anyway, some day Potlatch will support TMS tiles. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] London changeset revert
Please could someone revert the following two changesets in central London? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4560006 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4560021 I'm pretty sure there isn't a ferry terminal in St James's Square ;) Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Sourcing street names - what's the policy, and why?
2010/1/2 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Anyway, the answer to my question seems to be use your own judgment, don't tell anyone where you got the information from, and everything will be ok. Which is a weird answer, but ok. I wouldn't say that's a widespread view of people in the project, just a small minority. You shouldn't be using information from other sources unless you know that they are free of any copyright (or from a source with a compatible license), otherwise it has the potential to cause issues in any area where copyrighted sources have been used. I think the FAQ in the wiki[1] is quite clear in saying that you generally shouldn't copy from other places: === What images and maps may I use to make maps from? Most maps have copyright restrictions. This includes images from free beer sites as Google Maps, and printed paper maps, even if you scanned them yourself. Commercial aerial/satellite photography is also copyrighted. You should not use copyrighted maps in any way while editing OpenStreetMap (unless it is compatible with our license). Using includes tracing over the map, copying a name from the map, or pinpointing a coordinate on the map. To be on the safe side, we tend to regard all of these as a form of copying, or creating a derived work. Generally speaking, it's best not to even look at copyrighted maps while you are editing OpenStreetMap. So what can you use? Not very much, which is why we are doing all this re-surveying from scratch. However there are some Potential Datasources, in particular we have imported TIGER data for the US, AND Data for the Netherlands. We also make use of out-of-copyright maps although they are very old, and Yahoo! Aerial Imagery (which we have special permission to trace over). === Best wishes, Dan [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FAQ#What_images_and_maps_may_I_use_to_make_maps_from.3F -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Revert changeset #2987398 in London
Please could somebody revert changeset #2987398 from October? It is the only changeset made by the user 'Random', its comment is 'Simples' (perhaps made by a certain meerkat? :) and all it appears to do is wipe out POI information. See, e.g., node #475937645. The server isn't responding with the full changeset information at the moment, so I'm not sure how many other things were wiped out at the same time. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Year of Edits 2009 video?
I saw a tweet[1] from ITO recently to say that they were planning to do some more cool visualisations, but perhaps not until Easter time. [1] http://twitter.com/mvexel/status/6011764093 Dan 2009/12/9 maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com: Are there plans to create a video similar to the Year of Edits 2008 (http://www.vimeo.com/2532577)? I'm excited to see how much brighter our Philippine data looks this year. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Revert of two changesets
Please could somebody revert changesets 3204838 and 3204901? They both relate to the centre of London and add/edit data incorrectly. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revert of two changesets
2009/11/26 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com: Done. Please contact the user and explain why his changesets were reverted. Thanks Grant. I sent a message to them about the changes yesterday and haven't heard back, but will let them know it's been fixed. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL virality questions
2009/10/6 Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com: as a concrete example, let's pretend i have a site, beerintheOSM, which rates pubs and allows commenting and photo uploads. if i'm storing the reviews linked against pubs linked against OSM (name/location/ID), i definitely have to release the (name/location/ID) records - that's not up for discussion. should i also have to release the reviews, comments and photos records despite the fact that they have no OSM-derived data in them? should i have to release my entire database, including my users table? I would say that related information like reviews, comments, etc. that were added to beerintheOSM shouldn't need to be released, but we should encourage any information that *could* live in OSM (e.g. if users added opening hours) to be released so it could be re-incorporated. What would happen if the beerintheOSM site encouraged their users to add new pubs to their site, would that data - the equivalent of what would have come from OSM, had they come from there - need to be released as well, or again something we should just encourage the site to release? Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links
2009/10/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: and you can have very big features (e.g. an extreme: atlantic ocean), or strangely shaped ones, where coordinates won't do the job (unless you give much more than just 1 pair), because the center would be off the object. There is something called bounding box where we use a pair of coordinates for such things. This is not a good argument to put url's in osm. And if you put an url on - let say - the relation representing the highway 66 in US, you will have any way to do some preprocessing to calculate the bounding box of this collection of ways. Yes, but that still doesn't link to specific entities, which is why it's useful to include URLs. See the description of Linked Data someone posted earlier in the thread. Again, all what is said about special rendering/highlighting/pointing/etc of objects with an url is valid for all web sites and not only wikipedia. I just want to say that if we accept that for wikipedia, we cannot refuse it for other web applications and this is opening the door to a bad practice. I don't really see why there's anything wrong with providing links to other site as well as wikipedia, as long as they are a useful reference point. For example, any POIs that I add that have a website, I'll link to that (it's also a good source to get their address and other useful information from, so it's good to list that as a source), or if there is another information site that has information about that thing where wikipedia doesn't (often due to the 'notability' restrictions), then I'll link to that instead. It all makes the dataset richer, and links the users of the data up with further information about that object. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Overlay showing wikipedia links
2009/9/30 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: seeing that features that get visualised in some form somewhere (e.g. on a slippymap on the web) get mapped more often than other features, I've set up an overlay that shows the External Links (proposal at [1]), most importantly links to wikipedia pages [2] directly from objects in OSM. It's at http://www.openstreetmap.pl/wp (see caveats below). This is great to see the Wikipedia data being visualised.. nice work! In terms of interface, those circles can get in the way at times so it can be difficult to see what's under them, especially as they grow in size when you move your mouse near them. Also the display of areas can hide everything that's underneath them (e.g. on the Isle of Man), so perhaps they could be pushed to the back? Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? It's actually quite disturbing to think that GPS units are going to be using the same data and presumably giving similar directions in-car. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 I was looking last night at a route on the Isle of Man and found some inconsistencies around following the same road, e.g. 'take first right' when really there's a road off to the left and the road you're on just continues as normal http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=Cregneash,+Castletown,+UKdaddr=Ramsey,+Lezayre,+United+Kingdomhl=engeocode=%3BFRXkPAMdehC9_wmra=pemrcr=0sll=52.936326,-2.040032sspn=7.47315,19.160156ie=UTF8ll=54.203247,-4.628962spn=0.00177,0.004678t=hz=18 and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just continues past the junction with a curve to the right. I guess I should check out OSM's routing on similar routes to make sure it doesn't have similarly confusing pitfalls :) Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Train station names: Place Station ou just Place ?
2009/9/17 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com: And the difference between them is pretty easily explained. If you're on a train, you know you've just pulled into a station, the only question is which one, so the word station is redundant. If you are outside the station, you may not know what the building in front of you is, and you are normally going to be in the suburb with the same name. Therefore the Waterloo part is fairly redundant, it is the station part that is important. I'd agree, the context is quite important. So the question becomes - what do we want to display on the map? Which situation is the map reader in? There is a railway line marked, with some sort of station symbol, and a name. Can we assume the word station is implied? Personally I'd label the station node as simply 'Waterloo' as that has the context of the line, and will likely have a station icon associated with it on the map, but label the building as 'Waterloo Station' as that's the name of the building as it'd be identified on the ground. Cheers, Dan 2009/9/18 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Mmm, not sure that's enough because the name may differ between the public entrance (your photo) or the one on the platform itself. If I look this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/London_Waterloo_stn_signage.JPG it should be name=London Waterloo... Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
2009/9/11 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: JR is preparing the images at the moment and will start loading them up onto Flickr soon and we can then figure out what we can do with them. For anyone interested in the photos, it looks like they're going up at http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/sets/72157622214942341/ They look great! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question
2009/9/9 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: Back in March, Ed Parsons pointed out [0] that since StreetView images are Google-owned, if someone asked nicely-enough we could get them to give us a license to explicitly map based on the streetview images (similar to the explicit license we have with Yahoo). I'm not sure if anybody took this further with Ed or with Google back around the time of that tweet, but I sent him a quick email earlier to see what the status was here, and what we would be allowed to use Street View images for, if anything. His response was basically that it's fine to check our existing facts using the imagery from Street View, but it's not allowed - due to their license - to do any mass data extraction from the images that would then be republished. From Ed: === This remains a grey area of ip law, if it is the case of checking from the photography itself facts such as the name of a building, that would be ok.. there are some key points in the Terms of Service which are useful.. ..you may not use Google Maps in a manner which gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of numerical latitude and longitude co-ordinates. This is really saying you are not allowed to do mass tracing of features that are then made available to third parties. === I came across a situation the other day where I was adding the address details of a pub[1] to the map and noticed that the street name (Edis St, from their website) didn't match up with the name of the street in OSM[2] (Edith St). From what Ed's suggested, Street View could probably have been used to confirm the local name[3] (ignore the armed police [4] ;) - to see whether the pub had a typo on their site, or we had a typo in our database - without having to go out and re-survey. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/265649578 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8400167 [3] http://tr.im/yfAo [4] http://tr.im/yfAU Cheers, Dan ps - I'm not a lawyer :) -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Street View copyright question
Noticed in the archives[1] that my mail was chopped off, so resending with some different characters around Ed's email: [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-September/041753.html 2009/9/9 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: 2009/9/9 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: Back in March, Ed Parsons pointed out [0] that since StreetView images are Google-owned, if someone asked nicely-enough we could get them to give us a license to explicitly map based on the streetview images (similar to the explicit license we have with Yahoo). I'm not sure if anybody took this further with Ed or with Google back around the time of that tweet, but I sent him a quick email earlier to see what the status was here, and what we would be allowed to use Street View images for, if anything. His response was basically that it's fine to check our existing facts using the imagery from Street View, but it's not allowed - due to their license - to do any mass data extraction from the images that would then be republished. This is what Ed said: -- This remains a grey area of ip law, if it is the case of checking from the photography itself facts such as the name of a building, that would be ok.. there are some key points in the Terms of Service which are useful.. ..you may not use Google Maps in a manner which gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of numerical latitude and longitude co-ordinates. This is really saying you are not allowed to do mass tracing of features that are then made available to third parties. -- I came across a situation the other day where I was adding the address details of a pub[1] to the map and noticed that the street name (Edis St, from their website) didn't match up with the name of the street in OSM[2] (Edith St). From what Ed's suggested, Street View could probably have been used to confirm the local name[3] (ignore the armed police [4] ;) - to see whether the pub had a typo on their site, or we had a typo in our database - without having to go out and re-survey. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/265649578 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8400167 [3] http://tr.im/yfAo [4] http://tr.im/yfAU Cheers, Dan ps - I'm not a lawyer :) -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
Frankie, 2009/9/3 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: Using a combination of the GPS traces and the Yahoo satellite photography, I've tried to add as much detail to the map as possible: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.2258lon=-2.88111zoom=17 It looks great.. I've started recently trying to do something similar (remotely) for the Wildlife Park on the Isle of Man (http://osm.org/go/evGwiGNLr- ), but it's difficult without having been there for a while. So, I went out yesterday to start doing London Zoo (though without actually going in), which could really benefit from someone wanting to pay £18 to go in and map for an afternoon :) http://osm.org/go/euu4T5yf Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play havock with the paying to get in? There is indeed! It's kept completely separate from the zoo though by walls on both sides. It's crossed by two bridges and the monorail. I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of it? I've done that with London Zoo which has a road, canal and tow-path running through it at various points, and is connected using bridges and a tunnel (or two?). Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested
2009/9/6 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: It looks great.. I've started recently trying to do something similar (remotely) for the Wildlife Park on the Isle of Man (http://osm.org/go/evGwiGNLr- ), but it's difficult without having been there for a while. Nice. And a miniature railway too! The layout looks a little odd though (three separate tracks - I presume they're all linked together?). It'd be nice to add some enclosures too. There are apparently two or three different gauges running, with the inner part of the middle loop on one and another running around the length of the circuit outside that loop. They all link up though apparently. I've just added a relation for them all as well. Next time I'm home I'll try to add some more info, unless I can get permission to use details from their own map. I almost went to London Zoo yesterday, but ended up going paintballing (it was a friend's birthday do). I'm sure there are some London folk out there who could be persuaded to go and map it though... (I might even offer to contribute to the entrance fee). Hopefully :) I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of it? Good idea - I've just done this. (see http://osm.org/go/eufvD4GO) Not sure how big the gap between the two halves should be - I've just guesstimated it. I've also added both 'sides' of the zoo to a 'site' relation (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site), so that tags can be shared between them, but I'm not sure how well this is supported in the renderers at the moment. Ah, thanks for the pointer to the site relation. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] Fwd: General inquiry: hand drawn maps
Does anyone in the community have some good hand-drawn maps that they would like to share for possible inclusion in an upcoming book? I have vague recollections of a repository of these sorts of maps a while back, but I don't remember the details. I've shared a few sketches but none of them are particularly readable, so I'm sure there must be better examples out there :) Cheers, Dan Original Message Subject: General inquiry: hand drawn maps Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:53:49 -0400 From: Kris Harzinski k.harzin...@gmail.com To: map...@listserv.uga.edu CC: Kris Harzinski k.harzin...@gmail.com I'm currently working on a book of maps that will be published by Princeton Architectural Press and would greatly appreciate any help you can provide. The book is based on my web project, the Hand Drawn Map Association, and focuses on maps that people draw for one another to provide directions or tell a story. Most of the maps in the collection are by non-professionals, but I'm interested in framing the book in the larger context of the human desire to record the world around us. To that end, I'm looking for some historical or contemporary maps that are specifically sketched or drawn by hand - not necessarily well executed manuscript maps - but maps that are more crude, rough, gestural, etc. I'm specifically interested in maps that are drawn by well known individuals. Again, I would greatly appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks, Kris Harzinski Hand Drawn Map Association http://www.handmaps.org i...@handmaps.org -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Intermittent rendering of multipolygons for buildings
I'm trying to render some buildings with holes in and using multipolygon relations to do it, but they don't always render. See, for example Whitehall[1], where the HMRC/Treasury building is rendered with its holes but the Foreign Office building to the north of it doesn't have its multiple holes rendered, nor does the smaller building to the east of this which only has one inner and one outer part. Is there a specific direction the ways have to go in on the outer and inner parts of the relation? Can I use more than one inner part to the relation to create holes? The wiki page at [2] suggests this should be possible with multiple inner ways that don't necessarily have to point in the same direction (though Mapnik may require the ways to go in different directions). Would be grateful for any insight. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.50283lon=-0.12689zoom=17layers=B000FTF [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Intermittent rendering of multipolygons for buildings
2009/2/17 Michael Telgkamp michael.telgk...@gmail.com: nor does the smaller building to the east of this which only has one inner and one outer part. The smaller building has an error in the outer part (double node at the top left outer corner). This probably causes the error in not displaying the inner hole. Ah, I hadn't spotted that in Potlatch.. thanks! Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Err, what?
2009/1/7 Douglas Furlong douglas.furl...@gmail.com: Well, if it is purposeful vandalism, I'd still take my hat off to them, as they did a really good job. Very precise, and it would be a pity to loose it (even though, if it's not real then of course it should be removed). It almost looks like a science town with area's of different technologies/themes. It is real (so not vandalism), it's just not permanent, at least as I understand it. See http://radar.oreilly.com/2008/08/flickr-burning-man-open-street-map.html for more information. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Extending the Data pane on openstreetmap.org
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan wrote: Just some thoughts on how to extend that functionality to be of more use to a wider range of people, for monitoring changes to the map in areas they know. I use http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm which sounds like it offers much of what you're suggesting, unless I've misunderstood. OSM Mapper does offer all of this (and much more!), I was just thinking it'd be a nice incremental improvement to the data that we have in the main site already. It'd be one way of giving attributions for a certain area, for example. Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Extending the Data pane on openstreetmap.org
The 'Data' pane on the main OSM site is a great way of finding out information about specific objects on a map (or seeing where data is that's not [yet] been rendered), but I think it has great potential for being extended into a summary of the data in the area you're looking at, before clicking through to see all the object-specific information that's available currently. It would be great if you could look at the data pane and be greeted by something like: = Objects in the area = == by key == 1. highway 2. amenity 3. ... == by user == 1. user 1 2. user 2 3. ... == by timeframe == 1. last day 3. last week 4. last month 5. ... Clicking on any of the higher level groupings (e.g. a key, an author, or a timeframe) would give a filtered list (like that seen currently) of just those relevant ones, and even highlight them in the map as well. Just some thoughts on how to extend that functionality to be of more use to a wider range of people, for monitoring changes to the map in areas they know. What do people think about the idea? I might see if I can find some time to implement it at some point, if it sounds like something that'd be useful to people. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?
I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of the road network. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Users' activity feeds
Hi everyone, Has anybody done any work to date on condensing a user's changes (as derived from planet.osm diffs) into friendly statements such as: - John Doe has added a node at 51.023, -0.012 - John Doe has edited 5 ways near 51.023, -0.012 - John Doe has edited the highway 'Whitehall' near London - John Doe has added 6 pubs near Elephant Castle - John Doe has added lots of points of interest near Southwark - etc. This would be useful for the user profile pages and for feeds of user activity that could tie nicely into activity stream type services that could help promote the project to a wider audience (assuming they generalised changes nicely enough and didn't overload with information). Tieing it into the concept of changesets may help reduce the amount of information, and allow the user to summarise it themself. In its simplest form (e.g. the first one), it wouldn't be too difficult to pull the data from the planet diffs, but beyond that I suspect it would require quite some processing, simplification, reverse geocoding, etc. to get it into a nice form. Just wondering if anyone has looked into doing this sort of thing at all yet? Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Isle of Man coastline issue
Having recently re-imported a whole new dataset for the Isle of Man (thanks, Cloudmade!) I am now seeing some problems with part of the southern coastline[1]. I've looked at it a number of times and can't see any segments going the wrong way or anything. There is a small island in there (a separate way) that could also be causing issues, but I can't see why it should. Does anyone have any ideas about what might be causing this tile to render as an all-land tile? I had tried in the past few days to render this as a mixed tile (through the informationfreeway.org interface but it didn't seem to have helped... and I've just tried again now to make sure). [1] http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=54.08897692699451lon=-4.631828812318744zoom=12layers=B000F000F Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Isle of Man coastline issue
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a bug in close-areas.pl which I have just commited a fix for, the Galway coastline looks ok now (not uplaoded new tiles but checked locally), maybe anyone else seeing a coastline problem and who has [EMAIL PROTECTED] installed could check whether it's ok now but I believe it should. Thanks Frederick, the Isle of Man coastline is looking good now too. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Searching and alt_name
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's usually POIs affected, and it is usually just variations in names rather than completely different names (when you would probably want them rendered anyway). Occasionally though street names also have this problem. Consider one I came across recently: signs say Long Horse Croft. You can imagine someone might search for Longhorse Croft (especially as that's how the district council list it on their refuse collection days list). What should happen in situations where different names are used in different contexts? I can think of at least one example on the Isle of Man where the B39 Corlea Road ([1], and in post office database) is also known as the Ronague Road [2], the Solomons Corner to Ronague Road [3], and on the road sign on the ground as the Road of the Grey Hill (or in Manx Bayr Yn Chor Lheeah). Presumably the main name is the one on the ground (despite not being referenced in any official documents available online), and each of the others should be referred to in an alt_name tag? [1] http://www.gov.im/lib/news/transport/transportpublicn230.xml [2] http://www.gov.im/lib/news/transport/transportpublicn153.xml [3] http://www.gov.im/lib/news/transport/transportpublicn50.xml Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Welsh Map
Great to see this localised map. If you add name:gv to that list as well, you should pick up Manx names for a handful of locations on the Isle of Man. Cheers, Dan On Jan 14, 2008 1:47 PM, Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 08:28 +, Dermot McNally wrote: On 14/01/2008, Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /me wonders what a Gaelic map would look like, using name:gd. If you included a fallback to name:ga, you'd end up with quite a few locations in Ireland. I was mainly suggesting to have all 3 shown on 1 map if possible. -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Welsh Map
Great to see this localised map. If you add name:gv to that list as well, you should pick up Manx names for a handful of locations on the Isle of Man. Cheers, Dan On Jan 14, 2008 1:47 PM, Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 08:28 +, Dermot McNally wrote: On 14/01/2008, Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /me wonders what a Gaelic map would look like, using name:gd. If you included a fallback to name:ga, you'd end up with quite a few locations in Ireland. I was mainly suggesting to have all 3 shown on 1 map if possible. -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-de] Messages auf osm.org
Ich hab kein Ticket gemacht, aber du kannst das changeset sehen unter https://cia.vc/stats/author/dankarran/.message/6e3 Heute hab ich Nachrichten probieren und ein Mail bekommen. Gehts bei dir? Dan (sorry für mein Deutsch :) On 9/6/07, Andreas Hubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hättest du nen Link zu dem Ticket? MfG ah Dan Karran schrieb: On 9/5/07, Andreas Hubel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ich hab dir ne Nachricht geschickt, und dabei gemerkt das ich selbst eine bekommen hatte. Darüber hatte ich keine Benachrichtigung per Mail bekommen. Wird wohl Zeit für nen Feature Request. ;-) Ich hab die Feature Request erfüllt, so es sollte da sein beim nächsten site update :) Gruß, Dan ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-GB] gps units mapping parties this month
On 8/13/07, Steve Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have most of the GPS units. I have funding to pay for beer etc for ONE party this month. I had said the SW mapping party for this, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal - only a few people in a tiny town. If that's the case, it won't need the units and they can go to the Isle of Man (which clashes) and the funding can go to Edinburgh this weekend? Or the units can be split up or something. Not trying to play favourite here - just need some help as I have all (minus one that andy has) the units and the £££ and I want to use them as best as possible :-) Also please fill out the units request wiki page http:// wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GPS_Units_for_Loan I've added the IOM party to the list there... would it be possible to borrow a handful of the units for that? (Nick, would you be able to take them over?) I don't think we'd need that many of them, but a few would be very handy to have. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] gps units mapping parties this month
Thanks guys :) On 8/13/07, Nick Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan: I will bring the units over for the IoM. On 8/13/07, Steve Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:02, Dan Karran wrote: On 8/13/07, Steve Coast [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have most of the GPS units. I have funding to pay for beer etc for ONE party this month. I had said the SW mapping party for this, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal - only a few people in a tiny town. If that's the case, it won't need the units and they can go to the Isle of Man (which clashes) and the funding can go to Edinburgh this weekend? Or the units can be split up or something. Not trying to play favourite here - just need some help as I have all (minus one that andy has) the units and the £££ and I want to use them as best as possible :-) Also please fill out the units request wiki page http:// wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/GPS_Units_for_Loan I've added the IOM party to the list there... would it be possible to borrow a handful of the units for that? (Nick, would you be able to take them over?) I don't think we'd need that many of them, but a few would be very handy to have. should be fine Cheers, Dan -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Isle of Man mapping party - 1st September 2007
Hi all, I'd like to announce[1] the Isle of Man mapping party[2] to be held 1st September 2007. The main aim of it would be to try and fill in the holes around the Island's capital, Douglas, and maybe some other areas if there enough people interested. I realise that weekend clashes with the South West UK Mapping Party, and it may appeal more to local people anyway, but if anybody wants to visit the Island for the weekend and needs assistance with accommodation or anything, let me know and I can try to help out. Boats from Liverpool are usually relatively cheap, flying not so cheap, especially on a months notice (as I've just discovered when booking my flights). Cheers, Dan [1] http://www.dankarran.com/blog/archives/2007/07/21/isle_of_man_mapping_party.php [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Isle_of_Man#Mapping_Party -- Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dankarran.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-gb
