Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread Jamie Smith
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote:
 On 08/05/2010 08:20 PM, Anthony wrote:

 I don't think so.  Ways contain geographical data, but they're more
 than *just* geographical data.

 I don't know what else they are.

 They're vector graphics.

They are vectors, but they sure aren't graphics.  Not until they get rendered.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread Jamie Smith
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
 They're vector graphics.

 They are vectors, but they sure aren't graphics.  Not until they get 
 rendered.

 Is an svg file not graphics until it gets rendered?

Rendered != rasterised.  The vector data has no natural visual form.
Combined with some instructions and styling (i.e. draw a 3 pixel line
along these vectors in red with rounded caps), it can be rendered into
a visual form.  Like an SVG file.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread Jamie Smith
On 05/08/10 14:50, Anthony chuntered on:

 Still waiting for that definition of geodata.

 It's a contraction of geographical data.

 I didn't ask for an expanded form, I asked for a definition.

You are aware that there are aspects to life that aren't connected to
copyright?  Like the definition of geodata.


 Just because the map is
 in digitized vector format doesn't mean it's not a digital version of
 a visual work of cartography.

 Consider a written musical score and a recording of a performance of that
 score. The score is not the performance, and there are different laws and
 aspects of the law covering the two fixed forms.

 And both are subject to copyright law.  Good analogy.

Again, not connected to copyright.  This is a very good analogy of
your point about digital versions.  The copyright status of the items
has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of the analogy or the
facts behind it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] A plea for meaning ful changeset comments

2010-07-31 Thread Jamie Smith
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
  Agreed.  I think the comment should say 'why' not 'what'

 What does that mean?

 What: made a road into a dual carriageway
 Why: ???

 I assume you don't want an explanation of my vision of my role in the
 universe.


Preferably not.

Because I noticed it on this aerial photography.
Because this source says so.
Because I drove down it today.
Because some vandal made it single carriageway yesterday.
Because I saw it in a dream.

If none of these or anything along those lines work, maybe then you could
explain your role in the universe.

Love that this thread is now over 9000 words on 'why I can't be bothered /
haven't got time to write a few words in the comment'...
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Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread Jamie Smith
On 24 February 2010 09:42, SteveC st...@asklater.com
st...@asklater.com wrote:

 You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and 
 just, instead, suggest potlatch is fine as is the front page. That doesn't 
 seem to be in touch with the reality of every newbie who encounters the 
 project, does it?

Steve, I'm sure this is just coincidence (I really do), but this
sustained attack on the newbie editing experience, whilst the current
blog item on your company's site is about their glorious new easy
editor, looks just a little bit tacky...

There’s been a lot of work going on behind the scenes to make Mapzen
http://mapzen.cloudmade.com/, CloudMade’s family of
easy to use OpenStreetMap editing tools, even easier, even more useful
and even more fun to use.  So what’s new?

JS
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