Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

[Oliver Lewis]

On 5/1/09, si...@mungewell.org  wrote:
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> It's worth noting that OSM is really a geo-database project, not a web-map
> project


My point here is that getting the best geo-database may be dependent on
widening the user base and that one way to do that is to have a more
full-featured site for the project.

As long as OSM keeps an eye on re-importing data from other variants (if
> they are not using the main database) then everything will be 'happy'.


That supposes that the other variants are open but mainly I think people
will use the closed/commercial alternatives (without contributing anything)
so these improvements will never be available.

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[OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] What is OSM and what isn't?

[Oliver Lewis]

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> The reason for the struggle is quite simple. The project is still
> relatively
> young so developers haven't yet filled your browser with rich pickings that
> use OSM data. Consider this, the Ordnance survey started collecting geodata
> 200 years ago. It's only in the last few years that any of its data has
> been
> used for routing, displaying maps on websites (via Google or others) etc
> etc.
>
> OSM is today what the OS was 200 years ago, breaking new ground and
> collecting geodata to make maps. Back then the OS did it all by hand and
> hand drew maps. OSM doesn't have to draw the maps by hand any more but it
> still has to gather the data, that's its role here. In future I'm sure we
> will see all manner of companies and individuals using, displaying and
> doing
> clever things with OSM data, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
>
> So to answer your friends you need to explain about what makes Google and
> all the other guys able to deliver their services. It's the data that
> drives
> them. The front end is just window dressing. (and yes I bow to all the
> software developers who make very clever and nice window displays).
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy (another one)


I think there's quite an important difference between us and the OS: the
data is gathered by individual users.  The larger the user base, the more
will contribute back to the data and the better the data will be.  So I feel
that the main site needs to have good functionality that brings people into
the project and also keeps them there.  There is a group of "casual" mappers
who will mainly use the site but occasionally jump in and fix mistakes.  If
they get out of the habit of using the site because they like the ease of
use of the competitors, we'll miss out on those contributions.  It's natural
that the community is dominated by serious mappers who want to leave fancy
UIs and applications to others but it will strengthen the project if there
is a way of merging those developments back into the main site.

Personally I'd like to see routing, geocoded images, 3D buildings and
ultimately "openstreetview" images, all offered by osm.org.

Oliver
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[OSM-talk] Guardian open platform

[Oliver Lewis]

The Guardian newspaper announced its "open" platform today
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/mar/10/guardian-open-platform)
andsay
there is a partnership with Openstreetmap to geotag articles.  I
couldn't find a reference to this on this list, the blog or the wiki.  Can
someone give us the openstreetmap side of the story or point me to it?

Thanks

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Re: [OSM-talk] Flooded Thames

[Oliver Lewis]

Eel Pie Island has disappeared in both Mapnik and Osmarender (it's here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.44511&lon=-0.32277&zoom=16&layers=B00FTF).
I'm very hesistant to try to fix it, given the recent trouble we've had with
the Thames (which seems to be back this week) and my lack of knowledge about
coastlines.  Could someone who dealt with the recent issues take a look?
Part of the island's coastline is part of a multipolygon, but not the
upstream part.  The island is clearly visible on the yahoo aerial photos.

Thanks

Oliver



On 8/21/08, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >I am not sure if the Thames will ever flow back into her bed if so many
> >people try to repair...
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> > One repairs anything and while waiting for the next rendering the next
> one
> > changes it back... ?!
> > --
> Thats really why I suggested waiting till Mapnik correctly filled areas
> defined using the waterway = riverbank tag, before trying to tidy up the
> tagging.
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> However I'm ignoring my own advice and having a go :)
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> David
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> > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit Deinen Interessen!
> > Jetzt dabei sein:
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Re: [OSM-talk] Connecting ferry routes to roads?

[Oliver Lewis]

This had me straight off to look at the channel tunnel, which is tagged as a
railway.  Fair enough but no router is going to send cars that way.  Should
I add highway=service to the same way and connect it to the road network, or
add a separate way or find another way to convey that the trains carry cars?
I'd welcome your suggestions.

Thanks

Oliver


On 8/31/08, Mark Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> I fixed up the Isle of Man Steam Packet ferry route so that it goes
> >> all the way into Douglas harbour in the Isle of Man again. While I was
> >> at it, I connected it up with the road network so that routing
> >> programmes could route traffic through it as well. Is this common
> >> practice, and is there a standard way of linking them in? I've just
> >> linked the route to a service road which is connected to the rest of
> >> the road network.
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> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dan
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> > I've been taking this approach aswell, eg:
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> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-4.07891&lon=39.66457&zoom=15&layers=B00FTF
> > I've added nodes where the coastline and the road meet and tagging them
> > with "amenity=ferry_terminal"
> >
> > Rory
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> Similarly, I put the terminal where it is, and join the route=ferry to
> the highway=service through the carpark (if that's how it is) & then to
> the main roads in the usual fashion, on the basis that that's what's
> there. Obviously foot ferries need a footway instead, and train stations
> have a similar arrangement (or ought to..)
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr

[Oliver Lewis]

When I navigate to this link, I don't see any attribution.  This could be a
browser issue, so I'm just curious what the rest of you are getting.

Oliver



On 8/11/08, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> http://www.flickr.com/map?&fLat=39.912&fLon=116.3783&zl=4&order_by=interestingness
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> Best
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> Steve
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Re: [OSM-talk] Split into "map" and "data" projects, was: Re: Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of thecurrent maps

[Oliver Lewis]

On 7/29/08, Richard Fairhurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]

OSM _is_ expressly here to encourage an ecosystem. It's here to
> collect the data and then get people to do funky things with it.


Speaking as a relatively new contributor to the project, I think this is
absolutely fundamental.  I don't think the "collect data" and "do funky
things" schools should see themselves as in conflict.  The best way to
gather a very extensive dataset is to get more and more people to
contribute.  The best way to get people in is to create a good first
impression, make it easy to contribute and reflect that contribution as
quickly as possible.  To me this means that we should be continually
striving to improve the useability of the main map as suggested by Inge and
supporting / incorporating new renderings and applications using OSM
resources.  Some people may have the ability and access to resources to set
up alternative servers etc... but it should also be possible to do this
within the main site, with the approval of the community.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs

[Oliver Lewis]

Is there any way it can be made to work with Internet Explorer? I think
that's really important if you're looking to use as a way for anyone to
interact with OSM.

On 6/13/08, X <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hello
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> I just made a tiny tool for fun :
> http://gpsrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/06/openstreetbugs-eng.html
> That's not a big thing but I found it useful.
> Feel free to use it.
>
> Xav (french mapper).
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