Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
Hi, Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Ed Avis: There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. Sounds like a perfect idea to cause confusion. The whole idea of maps is to represent the real worls a precise as possible. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
Hi, Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Liz: plane, and 'precision' is not part of a Mercator projection. Mercator's projection was for the purpose of calculating direction of travel, in particular for seafarers. a) osm by itself does not have a projection. It's the maps that project the osm data b) mercartor is as precise as possible with repect to directions. Sure, a map cannot be perfect and you have to select those aspects that are important for your particular application (be it angles or distances or just the selection of objects you show). But that all doesn't give us a reason to add artificial, misleading and useless information to the osm maps. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Announce: OSM2Go map editor 0.6.13 released for Maemo, Debian, and Ubuntu
Hi, Am Mittwoch 18 Februar 2009 schrieb Andrew Chadwick (email lists): Now *that* would be a worthwhile new feature. If you're using it on an n810 of course, you can use the rather excellent maemo-mapper to zoom in and get a view; it's still a little clunky though. Having something built-in would be interesting. Anybody out there have a GPL3-compatible GTK2 slippy map coordinate selector widget coded up in C? :) Ideally goocanvas-based I thought about this some time ago and found this to be rather interesting: http://www.johnstowers.co.nz/blog/index.php/tag/osmgpsmap/ I played around with the map and wasn't 100% satisfied as not everything worked as it should. But this may be a basis for such a feature. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Hi, osm2go is evolving faster than i expected and with first volunteers joining development things progress even faster, We recently implemented support for JOSMs elemstyle.xml file allowing us to display everything very close to the josm style. However, things didn't stop there and we have started to extend the format for e.g. dashed lines (next will likely be some way to describe bridges as potlatch displays them). Also Andrew wrote a mapnik like style which imho is the nicest style so far and which has been selected to be the osm2go default style. See http://www.harbaum.org/till/maemo/osm2go-0.6-7.jpg So the question is: This has started as a mobile editor with focus on small devices and ease of use. Do you think there's enough demand for yet another desktop editor to also support binary distributions for desktop linux machines? Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Hi, Am Montag 15 Dezember 2008 schrieb sylvain letuffe: I'll be happy to give it a go, if the porting cost isn't too huge. Porting costs? What's that supposed to be? JOSM is allready quite good, but in liberty, there is diversity... and one editors and a half doesn't look enough to me JOSM imho isn't trivial for beginners. That may be where osm2go can help on the desktop. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm2go as yet another desktop tool?
Hi, Am Montag 15 Dezember 2008 schrieb sylvain letuffe: I suppose you didn't asked that if it was allready ready for linux distro, so there might be an additionnal cost such as : - package making - compilation testing - libraries dependencies etc. You mean after writing 12.000 lines of code it may just be too much work writing a debian control file? So yes, I'm interested, but unfortunetly don't have enough knowlege to help Ok, _that_'s a reason. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] osm2go on the openmoko
This is for you openmoko users: http://comiles.eu/~natanael/wordpress/2008/12/08/osm-on-the-mo Can't wait to see a port to the pandora :-) Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Am Sonntag 07 Dezember 2008 schrieb Chris Browet: It doesn't allow to rip their tiles, converted/scales/cropped them and re-serve the modified ones. Ok, but that's exactly what the josm plugin also does. So i assume it's ok to use such a server internally without providing them to the public. You could even run it on the device itself. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] JOSM style collection?
Hi, Am Sonntag 07 Dezember 2008 schrieb Ulf Lamping: Seems a little more generalization of style files (between potlatch, mapnik, josm, osmarender, ...) might save us all a lot of work in the long run ... Yepp, that's exactly why i made osm2go to use josm files (presets.xml and elemstyle.xml by now), early versions used potlatch config files. From time to time I'm maintaining the default JOSM style and don't know of any more such styles. Now you know :-) Will make it much more likely, that stuff you want to see in the default JOSM style will get in (hint, hint, ...) ;-) I've added a link to the osm2go source archives containing those alternate style files. Osm2go uses another layer of style files (which in turn include elemstyle.xml) so global settings for area transparencies, area border settings, icon scaling settings etc etc can be changed. Ciao, Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, Am Donnerstag 04 Dezember 2008 schrieb Frederik Ramm: None that I'm aware of. We're going through a lot of pain with JOSM to display Yahoo background images, and we wouldn't do that if there was a WMS. I wonder why the ywms plugin is a plugin at all as it sounds like it's exaclty the type of server i am asking for. Yahoos license seem to allow this Tell me more? I've been told that the yahoo license permits derivative works which also is the reason why potlatch and josm are making use of this. Wouldn't a server distrubuting slightly converted/scales/cropped images not also provide just derivative work? Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Yahoo WMS server?
Hi, is there a stand-alone yahoo WMS server? Yahoos license seem to allow this and some users of my osm2go ask for yahoo images. Going through a wms server would be the easiest and cleanest solution i think. Thanks, Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM not acceptable for geocaching.com
Hi, it's restored. They say that they thought OSM was an unreliable commercial (due to the request for donations) service which they don't want to have their users to do. Kind of strange explanation as the purpose of OSM is pretty obvious and my cache even said osm is for streetmaps what wikipedia is for encyclopedia. So the idea that it's non-commercial basically can't be missed. Till Am Mittwoch 26 November 2008 schrieb Nick Black: Did you get anywhere with this? Have you tried emailing the admins at geocaching.com to see why they removed the cache? I'd love to hear more. Nick On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/11/15 Till Harbaum / Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, i have recently released a geocache which basically required you to look up a certain node in the OSM database. The position of that node was then the place where the geocache was hidden. Geocaching.com users can perhaps still read the original listing at: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=80a9308b-6719-485d-a0dc-846798a8cac2 Through a bug in their site code, the original listing is visible here: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cdpf.aspx?guid=80a9308b-6719-485d-a0dc-846798a8cac2 Geocaching.com recently completely deleted that cache antry as they claim that it forces you to use a certain software (a web browser!!!) and a certain web service. They have un-published the listing, an event that occurs not very often - usually only if the reviewer who published it realises they made a mistake soon after. The specific guideline reads something like caches that require (unusual) third party software to be installed are not permitted, there's also a similar rule about cache perminance in terms of external resources on the net - eg hosting an mp3 on a personal website will not be acceptable as a part of the 'puzzle' as they have a habit of falling offline. This is a strange explanation as geocaches requesting you to find a certain image on google earth are pretty common. On the other hand Geocaching.com seems to have a business with google. This may be the explanation why they don't like to deal with openstreetmap. I really wonder if it's google behind this. They have business with Google as far as using their Maps API, publishing KML files, and using AdWords, I don't think they have any further links with them. This includes quite extreme behaviour on the GC.com side as they are not using their usual methods of disabling or archiving caches. Instead they reset their entire database with respect to this cache to the state before it was published. It's like they really want to clean all traces related to this geocache. The GC.com side is usually just a volunteer reviewer rather than one of the company's employees. As noted, caches can be removed completely from the site - 'unpublished' on the event of the reviewer making a mistake. IMHO a very interesting issue and may mean that google sees a serious competitor arriving ... Not in my view. Till I'm asking some contacts I have to see if I can get the full logs for publishing and subsequent removal of it to see if a reason is further given. -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2go: mobile mapping with Nokia n800/n810
Hi, thanks. I am not sure about the performance impact of the patch as it increases the overall canvas size significantly. I'll have an eye on this as especially the small maemo devices seem to fight with their low memory. One nice thing one can do with this is to set the frisket transparency to e.g. 0xc0. This will give you a light view on everything outside the working area. But then again: This has a significant performance impact which sure isn't acceptible. But nice, anyway :-) One of the next releases will sure use your patch as i can always remove it again if there's a real drawback. Thanks again, Till Am Sonntag 23 November 2008 schrieb Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists): Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: I do have a small problem with it: I i try to zoom out and hit the zoom limit, the canvas slowly scrolls a tiny step top and left with every trial to zoom further out. Okay, give this a spin. The attached patch applies cleanly against vanilla osm2go-0.5-5 from the source .dsc/.tar.gz once again. Rather than fight with the rounding errors that were causing this, I've added some recentreing code to make attempts to zoom out beyond the limit recentre gently pan the map towards the centre in controllable increments. Once it hits the centre, all is still. You might want to add a message flash at either the no-more-zoom point, the no-more-recentring point, or both; should be obvious when those happen. The feel on zooming out shouldn't be much different to what currently happens in vanilla osm2go actually, but now there's freedom to pan the map around when a project is opened. There are a few hardcoded constants that you might want to tweak for speed and prettiness on actual n8X0 hardware; I'll leave that to you because I don't have the SDK here right now. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2go: mobile mapping with Nokia n800/n810
Hi, i like this patch. I do have a small problem with it: I i try to zoom out and hit the zoom limit, the canvas slowly scrolls a tiny step top and left with every trial to zoom further out. Till Am Samstag 22 November 2008 schrieb Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists): Till Harbaum wrote: If you're zoomed out beyond the extent of the current project, it's impossible to pan the map so that part of it is hidden beyond the canvas edge. This might hinder new users [...] ??? I don't understand that. There's the area you downloaded. You can see only that and work only on that. You can never leave the active area by panning/scrolling and you can't place anything there. Some users (myself included) like to pan the display *before* zooming in. This way there's less panning required to get to an object in the corner or the working area. Therefore, when the map is zoomed all the way out, it should be possible to pan the display a bit. But the best way of explaining an idea like this is code! In the attached patch, I've rejigged the way panning and scrolling work in a way that addresses my perceived problem. Hope this is useful. That's not how the goocanvas works. You cannot easily make display data outside the given working area. The attached patch should address this, for goocanvas builds only. Note that now working area != display area, but that shouldn't affect uploads or the semantics of the app in the slightest. It applies cleanly against osm2go-0.5-5, as found at http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/source/o/osm2go/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Osm2go: mobile mapping with Nokia n800/n810
Hi, Am Montag 17 November 2008 schrieb Andrew Chadwick (email lists): There's quite a lot of stylus dragging in osm2go right now, both for panning and for moving objects. It's not always that reliable on my You can already pan using the directop pad (or perhaps this isn't in the version already published. So at least the next release will allow you to pan by the keys). the way Maemo-Mapper does it, with a single tap *or* tap+drag. Not sure how well that'd work in places with a lot of areas though. That's the problem. I have plenty of examples where there's always an area whereever you go ... osm2go should have a mode for following the GPS marker when it wanders off-screen :) Maybe turned off temporarily while you have something I am afraid i don't understand what you want. At very high zoom levels, POIs can hide very short ways causing them to be uneditable. Is it possible to implement a maximum pixel size for POIs and Way widths? I can supply an example if you need one. Hmm, that's difficult as the canvas always handles the items at their given size. So the road widths and poi diameters just scales with the zoom. I was already thinking about some global things to change the size of all objects. The opposite also happens if you are in a very dense populated area and everything is just a bunch of thin lines. If you're zoomed out beyond the extent of the current project, it's impossible to pan the map so that part of it is hidden beyond the canvas edge. This might hinder new users because it creates an artificial ??? I don't understand that. There's the area you downloaded. You can see only that and work only on that. You can never leave the active area by panning/scrolling and you can't place anything there. distinction between the behaviour when zoomed in (can pan without hitting a wall) and when zoomed out (cannot pan in some or all directions). I'd suggest drawing a shaded border of about 64px width around the current project, perhaps looking like JOSM's new display boundaries of downloaded data hatching, and using that as an outer, visible handle. So it'd be possible to pan to That's not how the goocanvas works. You cannot easily make display data outside the given working area. The screen real estate usage is generally very well thought out and makes sense to me. It'd be really cool if the dependency on Hildon, osso, and various other Maemo-specific parts could be relaxed for users of devices like Eee PCs, but I guess that's less of an immediate requirement :) There's no hildon requirement at all. In fact i do 99% of all coding and testing on the gtk linux desktop. This should run out of the box on any gtk based machine. I wonder if, like gosmore, it would make sense for osm2go to do some sort of level-of-detail hiding for lower zoom levels, in order to speed up the drawing process. It might make sense to restrict editability only to higher zooms too, like potlatch does (IIRC). Also that's not how the goocanvas works and it's hard to circumvent those things. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM not acceptable for geocaching.com
Hi, i have recently released a geocache which basically required you to look up a certain node in the OSM database. The position of that node was then the place where the geocache was hidden. Geocaching.com users can perhaps still read the original listing at: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=80a9308b-6719-485d-a0dc-846798a8cac2 Geocaching.com recently completely deleted that cache antry as they claim that it forces you to use a certain software (a web browser!!!) and a certain web service. This is a strange explanation as geocaches requesting you to find a certain image on google earth are pretty common. On the other hand Geocaching.com seems to have a business with google. This may be the explanation why they don't like to deal with openstreetmap. I really wonder if it's google behind this. This includes quite extreme behaviour on the GC.com side as they are not using their usual methods of disabling or archiving caches. Instead they reset their entire database with respect to this cache to the state before it was published. It's like they really want to clean all traces related to this geocache. IMHO a very interesting issue and may mean that google sees a serious competitor arriving ... Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Osm2go: mobile mapping with Nokia n800/n810
Hi, i have been working on osm2go, my little mapping application for the nokia internet tablets. The latest version has all basic functionality required for mapping and i have even been able to map a small village with it. Nokia N800/N810 users can get a ready-to-run package directly from the extras repository. See http://www.harbaum.org/till/maemo/index.shtml#osm2go for details and download instructions. Regards, Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
