Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Jens Müller wrote:
 Personally, I believe that chariable status is an administration 
 nightmare as soon as you deal with a meaningful budget. You will end up 
 paying tax attorneys just to remain charitable and in the end you're not 
 better off than if you had just ignored the whole charitable thing.
 
 As soon as you deal with a meaningful budget you better have transparent 
 budgetting anyway, because that is what your donors expect of you.

Be too transparent and you lose charitable status in no time ;-)

Bye
Frederik


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[OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread Jens Müller
Is the OSMF acknowledged as a charity, non-profit organisation, or
whatever is necessary under UK law to make donations tax deductible?

I'm asking because of C-318/07, which makes this relevant for other
Europeans, as well ..


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Jens Müller wrote:
 Is the OSMF acknowledged as a charity, non-profit organisation, or
 whatever is necessary under UK law to make donations tax deductible?
 
 I'm asking because of C-318/07, which makes this relevant for other
 Europeans, as well ..

What does this have to do with a Sony radio alarm clock?

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread Jens Müller
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
 Hi,
 
 Jens Müller wrote:
 Is the OSMF acknowledged as a charity, non-profit organisation, or
 whatever is necessary under UK law to make donations tax deductible?

 I'm asking because of C-318/07, which makes this relevant for other
 Europeans, as well ..
 
 What does this have to do with a Sony radio alarm clock?

C-318/07 is an ECJ lawsuit regarding tax-deductability of donations to
other EU countries, cf.
http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/gettext.pl?where=lang=ennum=79909872C19070318doc=Touvert=Tseance=ARRET

Context, what's that?


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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread Peter Miller

On 5 Feb 2009, at 19:54, Jens Müller wrote:

 Is the OSMF acknowledged as a charity, non-profit organisation, or
 whatever is necessary under UK law to make donations tax deductible?

 I'm asking because of C-318/07, which makes this relevant for other
 Europeans, as well ..

  It is not currently a charity. I understand that it is currently a  
not-for-profit company.

Possibly a foundation director would like to give their position on  
conversion to charitable status?




Regards,


Peter





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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread 80n
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Jens Müller b...@tessarakt.de wrote:

 Is the OSMF acknowledged as a charity, non-profit organisation, or
 whatever is necessary under UK law to make donations tax deductible?

 I'm asking because of C-318/07, which makes this relevant for other
 Europeans, as well ..


The OpenStreetMap Foundation is a non-profit organisation.  It is not a
registered charity.  Details here: http://foundation.openstreetmap.org

Etienne




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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread Jeffrey Martin
I think most international organizations create a branch in each country
and then you can just donate to your local branch.

The branch in each country can then pay dues to the international organization
or in some cases the international body can provide funding for projects in the
local countries.

On 2/6/09, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote:

 On 5 Feb 2009, at 19:54, Jens Müller wrote:

 Is the OSMF acknowledged as a charity, non-profit organisation, or
 whatever is necessary under UK law to make donations tax deductible?

 I'm asking because of C-318/07, which makes this relevant for other
 Europeans, as well ..

   It is not currently a charity. I understand that it is currently a
 not-for-profit company.

 Possibly a foundation director would like to give their position on
 conversion to charitable status?




 Regards,


 Peter





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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Foundation acknowledged as non-profit?

2009-02-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

Jeffrey Martin wrote:
 The branch in each country can then pay dues to the international organization
 or in some cases the international body can provide funding for projects in 
 the
 local countries.

This is exactly what OSMF is aiming at, with the exception that they do 
not want to create the branches top-down, but instead they hope that OSM 
activists form the branches themselves nationally and then register with 
the central body.

There may be some stepping stones here in terms of transferring funds in 
those cases where the national entity enjoys charitable status but OSMF 
doesn't; in some countries it might be illegal to transfer funds from a 
charitable (tax-exempt) organisation to one that does not have that status.

Personally, I believe that chariable status is an administration 
nightmare as soon as you deal with a meaningful budget. You will end up 
paying tax attorneys just to remain charitable and in the end you're not 
better off than if you had just ignored the whole charitable thing.

Bye
Frederik

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