Re: [OSM-legal-talk] regarding ODC and OKF

2009-03-03 Thread OJ W
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote:
 John Wilbanks schrieb:

 In terms of OKF, hosting licenses is hard, and versioning licenses is
 really hard, but OKF has been around for a while and is a solid group of
 folks. If they are going to host your license you are way ahead of the
 game in terms of having a group that is smart and honest and open in
 your camp.

 According to their web site, they are a Company Limited by Guarantee. I
 couldn't find any information on the owners.

 Regardless of who they are, why should we give them complete control
 over the license? It seems, if they were to decide to for example make
 our project PD, neither the OSMF Board, nor the OSMF members, nor anyone
 else could do anything about it?


would it be better for someone like FSF to host the license?

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] regarding ODC and OKF

2009-03-03 Thread Simon Ward
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:11:13PM +, OJ W wrote:
  Regardless of who they are, why should we give them complete control
  over the license? It seems, if they were to decide to for example make
  our project PD, neither the OSMF Board, nor the OSMF members, nor anyone
  else could do anything about it?
 
 would it be better for someone like FSF to host the license?

I think we would have the same concerns as there are with OKF hosting
it.

I personally think the later version clause should be removed and left
for the licensor to decide, or at least written in a similar way to
section 14 of the GPL[1], which gives the licensor the option to state
version specifics, but has a fallback.

If such a change is made, then the community may decide criteria for
acceptance of a newer revision of the licence.

[1]: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html#section14

Simon
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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] regarding ODC and OKF

2009-03-02 Thread Ulf Möller
John Wilbanks schrieb:

 In terms of OKF, hosting licenses is hard, and versioning licenses is 
 really hard, but OKF has been around for a while and is a solid group of 
 folks. If they are going to host your license you are way ahead of the 
 game in terms of having a group that is smart and honest and open in 
 your camp.

According to their web site, they are a Company Limited by Guarantee. I 
couldn't find any information on the owners.

Regardless of who they are, why should we give them complete control 
over the license? It seems, if they were to decide to for example make 
our project PD, neither the OSMF Board, nor the OSMF members, nor anyone 
else could do anything about it?


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[OSM-legal-talk] regarding ODC and OKF

2009-03-02 Thread John Wilbanks
Merging a few threads here again...

Just to say that although I hold different positions than the ODC and 
OKF on this issue, the ODC project has always been of the highest legal 
and ethical standards, and the OKF folks as well. Jordan has run the ODC 
as a labor of love for years and deserves a lot of respect for his work 
there.

In terms of OKF, hosting licenses is hard, and versioning licenses is 
really hard, but OKF has been around for a while and is a solid group of 
folks. If they are going to host your license you are way ahead of the 
game in terms of having a group that is smart and honest and open in 
your camp.

jtw

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