Re: [OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets in Nepal

[Nicolás Alvarez]

> El 22 jun 2017, a las 19:27, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
>> On 23-Jun-17 02:45 AM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>>> On Thursday 22 June 2017, Ben Discoe wrote:
>>> 
>>> BTW, the likely reason I didn't see changeset comments is that my
>>> active OSM account ("bdiscoe") is registered to an old, hard-to-reach
>>> email address (b...@vterrain.org), and (so far) OSM won't let me
>>> change the email address associated with the account to my current
>>> address (this one, bdis...@gmail.com), because that email is
>>> associated with my old, unused OSM account ("Ben Discoe").  I'm not
>>> sure how to fix that, but I'd really like to.
>> You probably (temporarily) need a third email address to assign to your
>> old account to free your gmail address to use it for your normal one.
>> 
>> You can also get a feed with discussions of your changesets on
>> 
>> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=402624
> Gmail users can use a 'dot' extension to their email address that might get 
> recognised as a different address by OSM.
> 
> Ben .. you could try, say, bdiscoe@gmail.com and bdiscoe.old...@gmail.com 
> - they should both end up in you gmail account.

Are you saying that if anyone emails nicolas.whate...@gmail.com it will reach 
me? That... doesn't sound right.

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Re: [OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets in Nepal

[Andy Mabbett]

On 21 June 2017 at 22:48, Dan Joseph  wrote:

> NRCS stands for Nepal Red Cross Society, so the people behind the edits are
> part of the local community. The mappers would be local volunteers and may
> not be comfortable responding to changeset comments that are written in
> English

Thank you, Dan, for making these and your other points so cogently.

Comments like:

Stop destroying detailed map using generalization tools. In
developing countries like Nepal eactly map can save human life.

beggar belief. Perhaps whoever left that should themselves be warned to desist.

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Re: [OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets in Nepal

[Dan Joseph]

Hi,
NRCS stands for Nepal Red Cross Society, so the people behind the edits are
part of the local community. The mappers would be local volunteers and may
not be comfortable responding to changeset comments that are written in
English. I would also guess that changeset comments were not part of the
training. Errant keys are relatively straight-forward to find and fix in
JOSM. If the tag value is legitimate local knowledge then a little bit of
cleanup work is worth it. Someone at the Nepal RC who does some GIS work is
aware of the data quality issues and working to fix it. Training people who
have access to smart-phones and computers and who regularly use map
services can be a challenge. Training people who don’t have such access is
even more of a challenge. The time before every edit is perfectly in line
with the established OSM guidelines is bound to be a bit longer. Changeset
comments such as "It's likely we have to fully delete it because it would
take days to clean everything up by hand." when talking about local
knowledge added by locals seems against the spirit of OSM.
All the best,
Dan

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Jan Michel <j...@mueschelsoft.de> wrote:

> Hi,
> I wrote some changeset comments as well as Michałs. None of the was
> answered up to now, despite many new edits have been made by the users.
>
> It's not just single mistakes, but they accumulate to a substantial amount
> of data, here's just a small excerpt of what I found:
>
> Key Occurences
> addr:tole127
> Addr:city19
> addr: opening time28
> addr: place24
> Addr:place35
> godawari municipality34
>
> New keys are "invented" every day. I think something should be done soon
> as cleaning this up is quite some effort. I wonder if there is somebody
> from the local community available to help?
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> On 18.06.2017 23:42, Andrew Hain wrote:
>
>> Have you tried politely making changeset comments asking this?
>>
>> --
>> Andrew
>> 
>> *From:* Michał Brzozowski <www.ha...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 18 June 2017 21:32:16
>> *To:* talk@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* [OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets
>> in Nepal
>> There has been a number of users making very low quality edits
>> (lowercase names, wrong tags. geometry problems among others) in
>> Nepal. They all use this mysterious changeset description: "NRCS basic
>> OSM training"
>> If this is training, then the instructor clearly has no OSM expertise
>> required.
>> The mappers seem to make similar errors: misusing tags in addr:*
>> namespace, making up amenity=* tags, starting names from lower case.
>>
>
> Can we pin down who trains these mappers and demand them to stop and
>> take corrective action?
>>
>> Michał
>>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets in Nepal

[Andy Townsend]

On 18/06/2017 22:42, Andrew Hain wrote:

Have you tried politely making changeset comments asking this?


(just in case anyone's unaware that it exists)

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussions?c=Nepal#8/27.529/86.310

shows this week's changeset discussion comments centred on Nepal.

Best Regards,

Andy

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[OSM-talk] "NRCS basic OSM training" - low quality changesets in Nepal

[Michał Brzozowski]

There has been a number of users making very low quality edits
(lowercase names, wrong tags. geometry problems among others) in
Nepal. They all use this mysterious changeset description: "NRCS basic
OSM training"
If this is training, then the instructor clearly has no OSM expertise required.
The mappers seem to make similar errors: misusing tags in addr:*
namespace, making up amenity=* tags, starting names from lower case.

Example changesets:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49631971
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49627019

You can see all of them around Nepal in WHODIDIT, I discovered half a
dozen of users, there may be more. They have quite high edit volume
and most of their edits need attention.

http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/index.html?zoom=13=27.63347=85.3243=BTT

Can we pin down who trains these mappers and demand them to stop and
take corrective action?

Michał

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