Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
Again, take it up with the mapper first. You talk as if the mapper makes mistakes on purpose and the only object is to create an incorrect map. I'm sure he's not and he just needs to be told not to rely on aerial imagery that much. But again: take it up with the mapper. You have still not commented on the changeset. That should be your first step. Or what do you want to accomplish by posting this on this list. Regards, Maarten On 2020-06-16 23:07, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map here. what about fact checking ? Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James : as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, some I haven't On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, wrote:I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they aren't locals ;) Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you have something to discuss. Hauke On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley : Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a conversation with the person who made that edit? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us > wrote: Added a service road. Edited about hours ago by Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org [5] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org [5] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org [7] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org [7] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Links: -- [1] http://roundcube.xs4all.nl/compose?To=james2...@gmail.com [2] http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3amail@hauke%2dstieler.de [3] http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3aclaysmal...@gmail.com [4] http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk%2...@openstreetmap.org [5] http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk%2...@openstreetmap.org [6] http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk%25252...@openstreetmap.org [7] http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3at...@openstreetmap.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:08 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map here. In JOSM, if you right click on Bing Imagery, Show Tile Info, it will display "Metadata Capture Date", which is the date, or range of dates, when the image was captured. I don't think other sources have this feature. > > what about fact checking ? The details you have added (fence, way not running all the way through, etc.) are wonderful, but probably no overhead imagery source, no matter how recent, is going to show that detail, especially with the tree cover in that area. Remote mappers can do a lot of good, sometimes they get things wrong. It is great that you are local and can correct these things. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
>How old is the satellite view, do we even know, or are we making a fake map >here. > >what about fact checking ? >>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:58 PM -05:00 from James < james2...@gmail.com >: >> >>as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live >>in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. >>What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, >>some I haven't >>On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, < m...@hauke-stieler.de > >>wrote: >>>I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on >>>vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they >>>aren't locals ;) >>> >>>Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you >>>have something to discuss. >>> >>>Hauke >>> >>>On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley < claysmal...@gmail.com >: Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a conversation with the person who made that edit? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org > wrote: Added a service road. Edited about hours ago by Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>>___ >>>talk mailing list >>>talk@openstreetmap.org >>>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>___ >>talk mailing list >>talk@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.
ok ! >Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:14 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >: > >To be clear, you mean that everyone is mapping incorrectly if they are not >local? That's an absurd premise—lots of mappers do valuable remote work >without having to be on the ground and see what they're mapping in person. Of >course, disputes arise between local mappers and remote mappers, and it's best >to follow the judgment of local mappers in such situations. But it's a stretch >to say that remote mappers are always wrong. > >Complaining to the mailing list won't make anything better. You have the power >to fix this yourself. What's holding you back? >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:20 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk...@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>I meant everbody is if they are not local. >> >> >>>Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:17 PM -05:00 from Maarten Deen < md...@xs4all.nl >: >>> >>>On 2020-06-16 18:09, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: Added a service road. Edited about hours ago by Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >>>If you think it is fake, you first comment on the changeset and ask the >>>mapper to explain. Or look at his profile and see if you can get more >>>information about the mapper. >>>If you think the mapper is continuously mapping incorrectly you can >>>address the OSMF. But than you need to be able to show some kind of >>>dialog with the mapper in question and show that he is repeatedly and >>>purpousfully mapping incorrectly. >>> >>>Regards, >>>Maarten >> >> >> >> ___ >>Talk-us mailing list >>talk...@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >___ >Talk-us mailing list >talk...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
Then you are wasting our time for multiple reasons. 1) it is unclear what is the point of making this specific point 2) we are not mind readers, it was not obvious at all that you are making this specific point 3) why you were sending weird links without explanation 4) why you keep making "fake map" threads without any useful content? Also, why you are using text formatted to be blue in your emails? If you have trouble with specific edit, write a changeset comment. If user/group of paid mappers keeps misbehaving - write to DWG. Stop making pointless threads. Jun 16, 2020, 19:24 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. > > > >> Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >> : >> >> Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a >> conversation with the person who made that edit? >> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us <>> >> talk...@openstreetmap.org >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> Added a service road. >>> >>> >>> Edited about hours ago by >>> >>> >>> Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 >>> >>> >>> https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> talk...@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >> ___ >> Talk-us mailing list >> talk...@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> > > > > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
Yeah, there's plenty that's wrong with Amazon's mapping (like basically just straight out importing GPX from Amazon trucks and not bothering to check for completeness or alignment at all, something I routinely see). But armchair mapping in and of itself isn't the problem. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:54 PM Hauke Stieler wrote: > I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on > vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they > aren't locals ;) > > Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you > have something to discuss. > > Hauke > > On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles > away. > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley > > : > > > > Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you > > started a conversation with the person who made that edit? > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Added a service road. > > > > Edited about hours ago by > > > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > > > > > > https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > talk...@openstreetmap.org > > e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk%2...@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > talk...@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
as have I, I don't live it Africa, made edits there, I certainly don't live in North Korea, made edits there, I don't live in Florida, made edits there. What's your point being 100miles away? Some of these places I have visited, some I haven't On Tue., Jun. 16, 2020, 1:54 p.m. Hauke Stieler, wrote: > I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on > vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they > aren't locals ;) > > Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you > have something to discuss. > > Hauke > > On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > > i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles > away. > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley > > : > > > > Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you > > started a conversation with the person who made that edit? > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Added a service road. > > > > Edited about hours ago by > > > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > > > > > > https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > talk...@openstreetmap.org > > e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk%2...@openstreetmap.org> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > ___ > > Talk-us mailing list > > talk...@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
I made edits from 2000km away from where I live. But I was there on vacation. It's possible that these editors were there, even if they aren't locals ;) Just be happy about good edits in your region and talk to them if you have something to discuss. Hauke On 16.06.20 19:24, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote: > i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. > > > > Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley > : > > Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you > started a conversation with the person who made that edit? > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us > > > wrote: > > Added a service road. > > Edited about hours ago by > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > > > https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm > > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.
i am trying to make a point here about editors that are 100 of miles away. >Tuesday, June 16, 2020 12:20 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >: > >Not sure what it is you're trying to point out here. Have you started a >conversation with the person who made that edit? >On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < >talk...@openstreetmap.org > wrote: >>Added a service road. >>Edited about hours ago by >>Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 >> >>https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm >> >> >> >> ___ >>Talk-us mailing list >>talk...@openstreetmap.org >>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >___ >Talk-us mailing list >talk...@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.
JOSM validator does report a number of errors and warnings in the area, but I don't think they are related to this specific change set. Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:16 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > > > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it. > We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns. > > This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics. They have > been very receptive to specific constructive feedback. > > The only very minor issue I see is: > * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined. > > Mike > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:53 AM <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> wrote: > > yes, and i will wait to see if anyone gets it. We can hardly evaluate the issue if you don't share with us your concerns. This edit was made by someone working for Amazon Logistics. They have been very receptive to specific constructive feedback. The only very minor issue I see is: * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/816385173 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/703399318 could probably be combined. Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, FAKE map.
What is the issue? It looks legit to me. Am I missing something? Mike On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:11 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Added a service road. > > Edited about hours ago by > > Version #1 · Changeset #86698283 > > https://imgur.com/gallery/k6Zjnqm > > > > > ___ > Talk-us mailing list > talk...@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
