Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
2009/1/25 Colin McGregor > On 1/24/09, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Lars Aronsson wrote: > >> After Portuguese and Afrikaans have been added, there are now 28 > >> languages. But of the largest Wikipedia languages, we're still > >> missing Japanese (5th biggest) and Chinese (12th). > > > > Why bother educating the Chinese about OSM when they will be jailed > > trying to contribute? > Might be best not putting any Indian languages up though, mapping there will get you jailed, and may be best removing the English too, I wouldn't like to think what could happen or where you'd be sent if you were spotted doing something suspicious like walking around with a GPSr, a voice recorder, a camera and a backpack in at least the US, especially if you looked 'foreign'... There isn't even a great firewall in those locations to protect people from seeing things they shouldn't ;) > > The answer is simple and obvious, not all Chinese speaking people live > in China. I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and some 11% of the > population (over 280,000 people) is of Chinese decent, and relevant > for the likes of a Wikipedia entry, manages to support three daily > Chinese language newspapers... > > So, for the benefit of oversees Chinese a Wikipedia entry would be a > good thing (the more mappers the better in my books). > > There are 100s of thousands of Chinese students studying abroad... figures I've seen suggested 12 in the EU alone in 2007... The US, Canada and Australia are also common destinations for Chinese students looking to study abroad, with the US apparently having over 8 Chinese students in 2007-2008... Of course, there are stats such as this 'The number of people studying abroad totalled 1.2117 million from 1978 to 2007, among which 319,700 have already returned.' which suggests that between 1978 and 2007 1.2 million people went to study abroad and 90 haven't returned yet... So, there are plenty of Chinese people outside China who's first written language is Chinese... But, within China, while there has been the obvious press that people have been fined and expelled for illegal mapping, the stories are mostly specifically about foreign nationals who've entered China only to perform surveying, including surveying airports/airbases... China has massive amounts of effort going into mapping, with billions ($ I think) being put into projects in recent years to make accurate enough maps that they can be used with GPS devices... Not all the efforts are state based though... There is also a lot of mapping for profit going on... GPS devices are very popular with satnav in car devices very common... A pretty massive number of brands exist, all competing with very similar products, map data comes from all over the place and up to date POIs are typically seen as one of the most important aspects of the data, something especially relevant considering the rate of change and development... There and lots of companies involved, all trying to build their own dataset for profit... Some licensed, but most probably not... And this is just part of the situation with maps in China... A report last year some time said that there were over 1 websites in China that contained unauthorised maps, huge demand for mapping data and limited general availability of quality authorised data were I believe cited as a potential cause... 10 years ago there was not much in the way of publicly available maps, now there are maps everywhere... even on every street corner, at least in touristy places... Quality is still an obvious issue... Availability of data is still an issue, though state data is available more and more and is becoming more and more open, partly to encourage use of the official state data in preference to data from other sources... China's legal system is still growing, maturing and developing, like most things in China... Things are improving all the time... The place is not at all like is portrayed in most Hollywood movies, in many ways it's more free, open and in many cases commercial than you probably imagine... At the end of the day, for people in China, if the authorities don't want them to see a site on the internet, it'll get blocked... Wikipedia itself has been blocked for large amounts of time with the non-chinese versions coming and going and more recently the chinese version becoming available and staying available... There is still blocking of certain wikipedia pages where the content is deemed unsuitable either by the filtering software or the decision makers that control the filtering rules... So... If the information about OSM is put on wikipedia in Chinese, there are millions of people outside of mainland China that could find the translation useful, there are many more within China that could be interested to read about it even if they don't then go on to contribute and if it is considered to be unwanted by whichever people/departments make those choices, it'll get blocked from t
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
On 1/24/09, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Lars Aronsson wrote: >> After Portuguese and Afrikaans have been added, there are now 28 >> languages. But of the largest Wikipedia languages, we're still >> missing Japanese (5th biggest) and Chinese (12th). > > Why bother educating the Chinese about OSM when they will be jailed > trying to contribute? The answer is simple and obvious, not all Chinese speaking people live in China. I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and some 11% of the population (over 280,000 people) is of Chinese decent, and relevant for the likes of a Wikipedia entry, manages to support three daily Chinese language newspapers... So, for the benefit of oversees Chinese a Wikipedia entry would be a good thing (the more mappers the better in my books). Colin McGregor > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
Hi, Lars Aronsson wrote: > After Portuguese and Afrikaans have been added, there are now 28 > languages. But of the largest Wikipedia languages, we're still > missing Japanese (5th biggest) and Chinese (12th). Why bother educating the Chinese about OSM when they will be jailed trying to contribute? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
2009/1/24 Lars Aronsson : > > Ten days ago, I wrote: >> > >> > Wikipedia's article about OpenStreetMap is now available in 26 >> > languages. The most recently added is a brief translation in >> > Swahili, the East African language. > > After Portuguese and Afrikaans have been added, there are now 28 > languages. But of the largest Wikipedia languages, we're still > missing Japanese (5th biggest) and Chinese (12th). Who can help > with this? > > English, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap > > Japanese, http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap > > Chinese, http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap > > Next in Wikipedia size without an OpenStreetMap article are > Catalan (Wikipedia's 15th largest language), Volapük (19), > Indonesian (25), Hebrew (26), Korean (27), Vietnamese (30), > Serbian (31), Bulgarian (33), and Persian (35). For comparison, > Swahili is the 89th largest language of Wikipedia, having 8400 > articles, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias > > Careful! Of course you will have to follow the rules of Wikipedia > and prove why this article is needed, relevant, sourced, etc. The fact that Japanese was missing was quite odd, since we have quite a few mappers there, afaik. I got a friend of mine to translate the first paragraph in attempt to lure some more translators in - http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/オープン・ストリート・マップ -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
> Next in Wikipedia size without an OpenStreetMap article are Catalan... And here it is!! http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Regards, Lucas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
Ten days ago, I wrote: > > > > Wikipedia's article about OpenStreetMap is now available in 26 > > languages. The most recently added is a brief translation in > > Swahili, the East African language. After Portuguese and Afrikaans have been added, there are now 28 languages. But of the largest Wikipedia languages, we're still missing Japanese (5th biggest) and Chinese (12th). Who can help with this? English, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Japanese, http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Chinese, http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Next in Wikipedia size without an OpenStreetMap article are Catalan (Wikipedia's 15th largest language), Volapük (19), Indonesian (25), Hebrew (26), Korean (27), Vietnamese (30), Serbian (31), Bulgarian (33), and Persian (35). For comparison, Swahili is the 89th largest language of Wikipedia, having 8400 articles, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias Careful! Of course you will have to follow the rules of Wikipedia and prove why this article is needed, relevant, sourced, etc. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 26 languages
2009/1/13 Lars Aronsson > > Wikipedia's article about OpenStreetMap is now available in 26 > languages. The most recently added is a brief translation in > Swahili, the East African language. > > http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap > > It starts out by explaining that "OpenStreetMap (OSM) ni mradi > shirikishi wa uumbaji wa ramani hairirifu na huria ya dunia." > > The article was started by a German user who claims not to speak > Swahili, and only consisted of headlines, images and links. The > text in Swahili was added by a native speaker of the language. > > Tanzania being the former colony "German East Africa", the Swahili > Wikipedia has several German contributors. Maybe the Germans will > go on a mapping safari as soon as Germany is covered. Parts of > Nairobi and Mombasa are already mapped, apparently based on > satellite imagery. > > > -- > Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) > Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > Forget mapping parties, mapping safaris all the way! Certain local tag usage will naturally change. For example English footpaths may get tagged with 'note=angry landowner with shotgun denies right of way', while African tracks may have 'note=angry elephant heard don't read council bylaws'. -- Gregory nomoregra...@gmail.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] 26 languages
Wikipedia's article about OpenStreetMap is now available in 26 languages. The most recently added is a brief translation in Swahili, the East African language. http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap It starts out by explaining that "OpenStreetMap (OSM) ni mradi shirikishi wa uumbaji wa ramani hairirifu na huria ya dunia." The article was started by a German user who claims not to speak Swahili, and only consisted of headlines, images and links. The text in Swahili was added by a native speaker of the language. Tanzania being the former colony "German East Africa", the Swahili Wikipedia has several German contributors. Maybe the Germans will go on a mapping safari as soon as Germany is covered. Parts of Nairobi and Mombasa are already mapped, apparently based on satellite imagery. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
