Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
Hi, Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Ed Avis: There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. Sounds like a perfect idea to cause confusion. The whole idea of maps is to represent the real worls a precise as possible. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Nice idea, but I really wouldn't want to see OSM data polluted / innaccurate. It would set a precedent. Unless of course we force that user to stay on that street (then we would just be mapping what we see on the ground):P Regards, Brendan Barrett -- From: Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:13 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Awards There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: Sounds like a perfect idea to cause confusion. The whole idea of maps is to represent the real world a precise as possible. I'd have to put another point of view here. Because I have spent a weekend without OSM, I've been reading books and it can be argued that the whole purpose of a map is to show what someone wants it to show, usually someone representing authority. You have to make compromises to put a (almost) spherical object on a flat plane, and 'precision' is not part of a Mercator projection. Mercator's projection was for the purpose of calculating direction of travel, in particular for seafarers. http://odtmaps.com/ will show you a few different projections quickly, to expand your horizons. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Hi, Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Liz: plane, and 'precision' is not part of a Mercator projection. Mercator's projection was for the purpose of calculating direction of travel, in particular for seafarers. a) osm by itself does not have a projection. It's the maps that project the osm data b) mercartor is as precise as possible with repect to directions. Sure, a map cannot be perfect and you have to select those aspects that are important for your particular application (be it angles or distances or just the selection of objects you show). But that all doesn't give us a reason to add artificial, misleading and useless information to the osm maps. Till ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: But that all doesn't give us a reason to add artificial, misleading and useless information to the osm maps. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs -- BOFH excuse #233: TCP/IP UDP alarm threshold is set too low. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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While there may be easter eggs in OSM added by some users... I was of the opinion that we do not do this in OSM. I've advised anyone i've ever spoken to on the topic not to put easter eggs into OSM. I was under the impression that the data itself was easy enough to compare to a copy. The use of easter eggs is also questionable. We seem to be going through great lengths to eradicate problems caused by easter eggs (I think there was a forum post relating to roads in Australian commercial maps), why put them into our database when their value is questionable? Either way, I don't think that easter eggs justify willfully adding fake data to the map. I couldn't be bothered if someone wanted to take a copy of the OSM data, and provide their own modifications in a rendered version, but to put this data into the main OSM database should be discouraged wherever possible. Also, is there not a risk of every newbie wanting their own road? Where do we draw the line? Regards, Brendan Barrett -- From: Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:18 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Awards On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: But that all doesn't give us a reason to add artificial, misleading and useless information to the osm maps. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Copyright_Easter_Eggs -- BOFH excuse #233: TCP/IP UDP alarm threshold is set too low. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
--- On Sun, 23/8/09, Till Harbaum / Lists li...@harbaum.org wrote: Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 schrieb Ed Avis: There are plenty of unnamed streets on the map - where in the real world no name has been assigned by the local authority. We could name those streets after top OSM contributors. Sounds like a perfect idea to cause confusion. The whole idea of maps is to represent the real worls a precise as possible. If the streets aren't named, you could put name suggestions forward to the local authority to get them named so then the map would match reality :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: If the streets aren't named, you could put name suggestions forward to the local authority to get them named so then the map would match reality :) If streets aren't named, use one of the noname tags : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Noname Everything else is just spamming for reward. That's the risk about rewards, someone may choose quantity vs quality. Pieren ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: http://odtmaps.com/ will show you a few different projections quickly, to expand your horizons. I prefer the Peter's projection. Cheers, Adam ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to
have for their contributors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards
One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come
from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the
implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service
ranks in the military.
I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter.
I'm not generally opposing this, but please don't make referrals to
totalitarism like this page does IMHO partly intended, partly unaware
(communist star (I know that this is an unexclusive meaning, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California but it IMHO still is
the general interpretation), little red book, and the worst (probably
unintended: {{SA-journeyman}} , {{SA-apprentice}}, etc. which in
German law would be ~using forbidden signs and symbols)
cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
Barnstars are the main type of award. They are a way for one editor to give recognition to another editor for good work or a good deed. There are different types of barnstars, such as for photograph contributions, tireless contributor, defender of the wiki, etc. Though the number of types has gotten a little out of hand :) These don't normally get awarded for quantitative things like edit counts, though a user gave me one on Wikipedia for having x number of good articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Barnstars get delivered to your wiki user talk page. They can be displayed on your wikipedia user page or on a subpage. Though, there is a messaging feature on the main OSM site, there really isn't a place for people to display their awards. Though, they could go on the OSM wiki, where people have user pages and talk pages. -Kate On 8/21/09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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You mean a mechanism much like trust points, but instead of aggregating all activitiy in a single number giving people various colorful awards in different areas for recognizing their work and some motivation? One of the awards being OSMF membership (or a significant discount on membership fee)? Sounds nice! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stefanb/TrustPoints (we can call it karma, georank, osm longitude ... :) Stefan On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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El Viernes, 21 de Agosto de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió: [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. We already have the lolcats of awsumnez for outstanding stuff, but it could be nice to give away hi-viz vests with more or less reflective strips, or different colours (orange-yellow-green-white). An even nicer thing would be tools of our trade: dioptra, astrolabe, sextant, octant, cross-staff, compass, circumferentor, theodolite, Gunter's chain, heliotrope, gyrocompass, gyrotheodolite, LIDAR rangefinder, GPS, and a total station. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
At 16:33 21/08/2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
  I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to
have for their contributors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards
One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come
from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the
implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service
ranks in the military.
I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter.
I'm not generally opposing this, but please don't make referrals to
totalitarism like this page does IMHO partly intended, partly unaware
(communist star (I know that this is an unexclusive meaning, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California but it IMHO still is
the general interpretation), little red book, and the worst (probably
unintended: {{SA-journeyman}} , {{SA-apprentice}}, etc. which in
German law would be ~using forbidden signs and symbols)
cheers,
Martin
Check out the 2007 Open Street Mapping Accolades, an Oscar Award parody
at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ewmjc/2007_OSMA_Awards for
another approach. Humour also has its dangers in a multi-cultural
environment; what is funny to one might be perplexing or insulting to
another unless done with care. That said, it is a gentle non-elitist way of
high-lighting some of the great things people have done to a wider audience.
Mike
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Mike Collinson wrote:
Sent: 21 August 2009 4:11 PM
To: OSM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
At 16:33 21/08/2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
  I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to
have for their contributors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards
One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they
come
from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the
implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service
ranks in the military.
I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter.
I'm not generally opposing this, but please don't make referrals to
totalitarism like this page does IMHO partly intended, partly unaware
(communist star (I know that this is an unexclusive meaning, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California but it IMHO still is
the general interpretation), little red book, and the worst (probably
unintended: {{SA-journeyman}} , {{SA-apprentice}}, etc. which in
German law would be ~using forbidden signs and symbols)
cheers,
Martin
Check out the 2007 Open Street Mapping Accolades, an Oscar Award parody
at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ewmjc/2007_OSMA_Awards for
another approach. Humour also has its dangers in a multi-cultural
environment; what is funny to one might be perplexing or insulting to
another unless done with care. That said, it is a gentle non-elitist way
of high-lighting some of the great things people have done to a wider
audience.
Mike
And we actually have some prior star accolades, similar to the barnstars
approach I guess. I even have a couple of them at the bottom of my wiki page
gratefully presented by others [1] many GPS tracks ago. It was a bit of fun
at the time and I certainly dont feel the need to have any more, but I can
understand how, especially for newcomers, something that reinforces that
they really have joined the community can help build confidence and
motivate.
Cheers
Andy
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Blackadder#Awards
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On 21 Aug 2009, at 17:16, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: And we actually have some prior star accolades, similar to the barnstars approach I guess. I even have a couple of them at the bottom of my wiki page gratefully presented by others [1] many GPS tracks ago. It was a bit of fun at the time and I certainly don’t feel the need to have any more, but I can understand how, especially for newcomers, something that reinforces that they really have joined the community can help build confidence and motivate. I recently noticed that I'd been awarded my MegaStar for uploading one million track points. You just reminded me to check my history only for me to find that I actually got the award just over a year ago. Be assure, I am very humbled at the achievement, even if I'm only noticing a year later! John___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
