Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting various road situations

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Thanks, that would work well!

2015-03-16 10:46 GMT+01:00 Cartinus :

> On 14-03-15 17:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:> Thanks for examples! I am
> still looking for well mapped area with many
> > pedestrian roads, living streets,
> > footways, cycleways...
>
> Something like this?
>
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting various road situations

[Cartinus]

On 14-03-15 17:38, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:> Thanks for examples! I am 
still looking for well mapped area with many

> pedestrian roads, living streets,
> footways, cycleways...

Something like this?



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Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting various road situations

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Thanks for examples! I am still looking for well mapped area with many
pedestrian roads, living streets,
footways, cycleways...

On topic of ford=yes - rendering it is planned, but currently it is
impossible due to technical reasons.
Key ford is not loaded into databases used for rendering default style.
Unfortunately I am unable to
predict when it will change - I am not involved in handling servers.
Status of this task is tracked at
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/267
(with blocker mentioned in milestone called "3.x - Needs upgrade to
openstreetmap-carto.style").


2015-03-12 23:52 GMT+01:00 Rafael Avila Coya :

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> Hi, Mateusz:
>
> Kano state (North Nigeria) [1], specially the Southern half, is
> heavily mapped, an the huge majority of unpaved roads are marked as
> unpaved. Plus, you have many trunk and primary and secondary in that
> are marked as paved/asphalt.
>
> Federal roads (F.XXX) are all tagged as primary, although some of them
> have legs that are unpaved, with smoothness that can be horrible. You
> can get a look for example to F.128 federal road [2].
>
> Might you consider rendering the ford=yes? It's very common in Africa
> for example.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rafael.
>
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3710302
> [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2792108
>
> On 12/03/15 23:32, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > There is a decent chance that in near future I will have time to
> > reimplement road styling in Default Map Style.
> >
> > One of the most important problems in designing this style is that
> > the same rules should work over entire globe, in drastically
> > different locations. It is impossible to make style work great
> > everywhere, but it is possible to have it well working in variety
> > of places.
> >
> > So I want to start work from collecting place of various road
> > situations.
> >
> > I am currently looking for well mapped areas with: I)
> > Cities/towns/villages in non-European style (Africa, Asia...?) II)
> > Where major roads are unpaved. III) Large amount of unpaved roads,
> > used for motor traffic but major roads are paved. IV) Area with
> > many pedestrian roads, living streets, footways...
> >
> > Note - I am looking for well mapped area. For example in case of
> > unpaved roads I am not interested in place without tagged surface
> > values or with highway=track used to mark unpaved roads (this
> > tagging for renderer is unfortunately really popular).
> >
> > Also, I am certainly missing some important types of situations.
> > Below is list of what I prepared so far.
> >
> > 1) European style town 2) European style city 3) high density of
> > motorways and primary roads 4) large area with high road density
> > of many types 5) city with high road density 6) junction of dual
> > carriageways 7) roads with tram lines 8) fully mapped residential
> > area 9) large park/city forest with varied highway types 10) area
> > with large amount of footways 11) spaghetti junction 12) rural
> > area where highway=footway are important 13) rocky mountains with
> > tourism routes 14) forested mountains with tourism routes 15) big
> > pedestrian area 16) large amount of private highways 17) raceway
> > 18) long tunnel 19) long bridge 20) many living streets 21) steps
> > (#1307) 22) Junction=motorway_junction names (#1272) 23) special
> > cases reported to bugtracker
> >
> > [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/51.2225/18.5594 [2]
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.2333/20.9976 [3]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=37.413889&mlon=126.57&zoom=15#map=11/51.3413/6.9097
> >
> >
> >
> [4]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.5147&mlon=-0.1126#map=10/51.5147/-0.1126
> >
> >
> >
> [5]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.5117&mlon=-0.0761#map=14/51.5117/-0.0761
> >
> >
> >
> [6]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0739&mlon=19.9451#map=15/50.0739/19.9451
> >
> >
> >
> [7]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0509&mlon=19.9503#map=15/50.0509/19.9503
> >
> >
> >
> [8]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0296&mlon=19.9189#map=16/50.0296/19.9189
> >
> >
> >
> [9]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0559&mlon=19.8486#map=14/50.0559/19.8486
> >
> >
> >
> [10]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0631&mlon=19.9584#map=14/50.0631/19.9584
> >
> >
> >
> [11]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.5102&mlon=-1.8641#map=16/52.5102/-1.8641
> >
> >
> >
> [12] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2134/-1.7983
> > [13] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.2066/20.0534 [14]
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.5502/20.1640 [15], [16]
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.90304/12.45402 [17]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=42.160833&mlon=12.369167&zoom=15#map=15/42.1608/12.3691
> >
> >
> >
> [18]
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=60.971944&mlon=7.368333&zoom=15#map=12/60.9933/7.3818
> >
> >
> >
> [19]
> >
> htt

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting various road situations

[Rafael Avila Coya]

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Hi, Mateusz:

Kano state (North Nigeria) [1], specially the Southern half, is
heavily mapped, an the huge majority of unpaved roads are marked as
unpaved. Plus, you have many trunk and primary and secondary in that
are marked as paved/asphalt.

Federal roads (F.XXX) are all tagged as primary, although some of them
have legs that are unpaved, with smoothness that can be horrible. You
can get a look for example to F.128 federal road [2].

Might you consider rendering the ford=yes? It's very common in Africa
for example.

Cheers,

Rafael.

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3710302
[2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2792108

On 12/03/15 23:32, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> There is a decent chance that in near future I will have time to 
> reimplement road styling in Default Map Style.
> 
> One of the most important problems in designing this style is that 
> the same rules should work over entire globe, in drastically 
> different locations. It is impossible to make style work great 
> everywhere, but it is possible to have it well working in variety 
> of places.
> 
> So I want to start work from collecting place of various road 
> situations.
> 
> I am currently looking for well mapped areas with: I) 
> Cities/towns/villages in non-European style (Africa, Asia...?) II) 
> Where major roads are unpaved. III) Large amount of unpaved roads, 
> used for motor traffic but major roads are paved. IV) Area with 
> many pedestrian roads, living streets, footways...
> 
> Note - I am looking for well mapped area. For example in case of 
> unpaved roads I am not interested in place without tagged surface 
> values or with highway=track used to mark unpaved roads (this 
> tagging for renderer is unfortunately really popular).
> 
> Also, I am certainly missing some important types of situations. 
> Below is list of what I prepared so far.
> 
> 1) European style town 2) European style city 3) high density of 
> motorways and primary roads 4) large area with high road density
> of many types 5) city with high road density 6) junction of dual 
> carriageways 7) roads with tram lines 8) fully mapped residential 
> area 9) large park/city forest with varied highway types 10) area 
> with large amount of footways 11) spaghetti junction 12) rural
> area where highway=footway are important 13) rocky mountains with 
> tourism routes 14) forested mountains with tourism routes 15) big 
> pedestrian area 16) large amount of private highways 17) raceway 
> 18) long tunnel 19) long bridge 20) many living streets 21) steps 
> (#1307) 22) Junction=motorway_junction names (#1272) 23) special 
> cases reported to bugtracker
> 
> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/51.2225/18.5594 [2] 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.2333/20.9976 [3] 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=37.413889&mlon=126.57&zoom=15#map=11/51.3413/6.9097
>
>
> 
[4]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.5147&mlon=-0.1126#map=10/51.5147/-0.1126
>
>
> 
[5]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.5117&mlon=-0.0761#map=14/51.5117/-0.0761
>
>
> 
[6]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0739&mlon=19.9451#map=15/50.0739/19.9451
>
>
> 
[7]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0509&mlon=19.9503#map=15/50.0509/19.9503
>
>
> 
[8]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0296&mlon=19.9189#map=16/50.0296/19.9189
>
>
> 
[9]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0559&mlon=19.8486#map=14/50.0559/19.8486
>
>
> 
[10]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0631&mlon=19.9584#map=14/50.0631/19.9584
>
>
> 
[11]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.5102&mlon=-1.8641#map=16/52.5102/-1.8641
>
>
> 
[12] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2134/-1.7983
> [13] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.2066/20.0534 [14] 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.5502/20.1640 [15], [16] 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.90304/12.45402 [17] 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=42.160833&mlon=12.369167&zoom=15#map=15/42.1608/12.3691
>
>
> 
[18]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=60.971944&mlon=7.368333&zoom=15#map=12/60.9933/7.3818
>
>
> 
[19]
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=38.7589&mlon=-9.0387&zoom=15#map=13/38.7602/-9.0588
>
>
> 
[20] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.0773/20.0382
> [21] https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/37.44711/24.94306 [22] 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/49.6328/5.9589 [23] 
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/labels/roads
> 
> In addition - it is necessary to consider labels in various writing
> systems - Arabic, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Armenian, Chinese, Japanese
> (what else?)...
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting various road situations

[Andrew Buck]

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For an african city example you could use Zliten, Libya.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=12/32.46/14.5587

I marked the surface=* values there from satellite imagery there a
couple years back as part of the HOT activation during the civil war
there.  The core of the city is paved and the outer portion is all
unpaved, with the main roads going in and out of the city being paved
as well.  Everything in the city and the surrounding area should have
a surface tag on it, as I systematically checked them using the
'Surface data entry' paint style in JOSM.

We have also been doing a lot of tracing in West Africa (specifically
Liberia and Sierra Leone with a bit in Guinea).  These roads are not
all tagged with surface values though other than a few isolated
pockets.  We had been wanting to do better surface data though so if
you message the HOT mailing list with a request for a specific area in
one of these countries we could try to add the surface tags for you.
Just browse around and see where you think it would make sense and let
us know.  Can't guarantee we will get it done for you, but like I said
we did want to get more surfaces tagged anyway and this way we could
kill two birds with one stone.

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[OSM-talk] Collecting various road situations

[Mateusz Konieczny]

There is a decent chance that in near future I will have time to
reimplement
road styling in Default Map Style.

One of the most important problems in designing this style is that the same
rules should work over entire globe, in drastically different locations.
It is impossible to make style work great everywhere, but it is possible
to have it well working in variety of places.

So I want to start work from collecting place of various road situations.

I am currently looking for well mapped areas with:
I) Cities/towns/villages in non-European style (Africa, Asia...?)
II) Where major roads are unpaved.
III) Large amount of unpaved roads, used for motor traffic but major roads
are paved.
IV) Area with many pedestrian roads, living streets, footways...

Note - I am looking for well mapped area. For example in case of
unpaved roads I am not interested in place without tagged surface values
or with highway=track used to mark unpaved roads (this tagging for
renderer is unfortunately really popular).

Also, I am certainly missing some important types of situations.
Below is list of what I prepared so far.

1) European style town
2) European style city
3) high density of motorways and primary roads
4) large area with high road density of many types
5) city with high road density
6) junction of dual carriageways
7) roads with tram lines
8) fully mapped residential area
9) large park/city forest with varied highway types
10) area with large amount of footways
11) spaghetti junction
12) rural area where highway=footway are important
13) rocky mountains with tourism routes
14) forested mountains with tourism routes
15) big pedestrian area
16) large amount of private highways
17) raceway
18) long tunnel
19) long bridge
20) many living streets
21) steps (#1307)
22) Junction=motorway_junction names (#1272)
23) special cases reported to bugtracker

[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/51.2225/18.5594
[2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.2333/20.9976
[3]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=37.413889&mlon=126.57&zoom=15#map=11/51.3413/6.9097
[4]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.5147&mlon=-0.1126#map=10/51.5147/-0.1126
[5]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.5117&mlon=-0.0761#map=14/51.5117/-0.0761
[6]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0739&mlon=19.9451#map=15/50.0739/19.9451
[7]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0509&mlon=19.9503#map=15/50.0509/19.9503
[8]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0296&mlon=19.9189#map=16/50.0296/19.9189
[9]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0559&mlon=19.8486#map=14/50.0559/19.8486
[10]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.0631&mlon=19.9584#map=14/50.0631/19.9584
[11]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.5102&mlon=-1.8641#map=16/52.5102/-1.8641
[12] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/53.2134/-1.7983
[13] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.2066/20.0534
[14] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/49.5502/20.1640
[15], [16] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/41.90304/12.45402
[17]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=42.160833&mlon=12.369167&zoom=15#map=15/42.1608/12.3691
[18]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=60.971944&mlon=7.368333&zoom=15#map=12/60.9933/7.3818
[19]
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=38.7589&mlon=-9.0387&zoom=15#map=13/38.7602/-9.0588
[20] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/50.0773/20.0382
[21] https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/37.44711/24.94306
[22] http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/49.6328/5.9589
[23] https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/labels/roads

In addition - it is necessary to consider labels in various writing systems
-
Arabic, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Armenian, Chinese, Japanese (what else?)...
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