Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: In Italy (at least in Rome) they are often engraved marble plates. Standard signs in italy are supposed to be black on white with a thin blue border, but there are still lots of old marble plates and even names painted on the walls. -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
Round here (south Nottingham, uk) black on white, with post codes and council name in red. In the city itself most are black on white, with some old ones white on black. On 8/20/09, Łukasz Jernaś deej...@srem.org wrote: Poland, Greater Poland : White on blue and black on white. It can be different even in the same city... Regards, -- Łukasz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Sent from my mobile device ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Kev js1982 wrote: Round here (south Nottingham, uk) black on white, with post codes and council name in red. In the city itself most are black on white, with some old ones white on black. Could anyone that actually knows `localized' streetsigns maybe provide them lets say at least 20 of them, pushing them to openstreetphoto or in private mail to Tijs or me? Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
UK - usually black on white. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Erik Johansson [mailto:e...@kth.se] Sent: 19 August 2009 12:26 To: Tijs Zwinkels Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Tijs Zwinkelsopenstreet...@tumblecow.net wrote: The project is right now trained to read dutch street-signs, but as long as they have a distinct color, there's no reason why it couldn't read foreign street-signs. Read this: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/wiki/TrainingOtherCountries Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
From: Erik Johansson [mailto:e...@kth.se] Sent: 19 August 2009 12:26 To: Tijs Zwinkels Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white Except for Gothenburg, where we have white on blue, and use even number on the left side of the street. We do things differently here. /Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Mike Harris wrote: UK - usually black on white. Denmark - New signs White on Blue. Old signs red on white. At least in these parts. I don't know if there's regulation in the area. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Poland, Greater Poland : White on blue and black on white. It can be different even in the same city... Regards, -- Łukasz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Tijs Zwinkelsopenstreet...@tumblecow.net wrote: The project is right now trained to read dutch street-signs, but as long as they have a distinct color, there's no reason why it couldn't read foreign street-signs. Read this: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/wiki/TrainingOtherCountries Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white In the US I've seen: White on blue, green, brown, and yellow Black on blue, green, and yellow ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white German Black on White (newer) or White on dark Blue (older, but not uncommon) and sometimes White on dark Red (very, old and seldom) Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Erik Johansson wrote: Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white here, whatever the local council decides to put up often reflective silverish background, black letters may be black on yellow may be white on blue may be green on white and that is just checking a few of my photos ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:26:29 +0300, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white In Finland: Black on white ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Preliminary, but at least we can conclude that the colors are diverse, and that black-on-white is rather common. I hope to be able to detect and read these eventually, but I'll have to come up with something better than the current color-histogram matching technique. :) - Tijs On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Teemu Koskinen teemu.koski...@mbnet.fiwrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:26:29 +0300, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white In Finland: Black on white ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Perhaps would be a good idea to set up a wiki page for the signs with the colors and a sample photo? Here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil they're a rectangle with the street name in white on blue, and a blue on white stripe with the first and last building numbers of the block and the street's postcode (which are not like zip codes, they're different for every single street). Cheers 2009/8/19 Tijs Zwinkels openstreet...@tumblecow.net Preliminary, but at least we can conclude that the colors are diverse, and that black-on-white is rather common. I hope to be able to detect and read these eventually, but I'll have to come up with something better than the current color-histogram matching technique. :) - Tijs On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Teemu Koskinen teemu.koski...@mbnet.fiwrote: On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:26:29 +0300, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white In Finland: Black on white ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Arlindo Saraiva Pereira Jr. Bacharelando em Sistemas de Informação - UNIRIO - uniriotec.br Consultor de Software Livre da Uniriotec Consultoria - uniriotec.com Acadêmico: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.br Profissional: arlindo.pere...@uniriotec.com Geral: cont...@arlindopereira.com Tel.: +5521 92504072 Jabber/Google Talk: nig...@nighto.net Skype: nighto_sumomo Chave pública: BD065DEC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2009/8/19 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white German Black on White (newer) or White on dark Blue (older, but not uncommon) and sometimes White on dark Red (very, old and seldom) IMHO that's a communal decision in Germany and can be (theoretically) all kind of colours. There is also white on blue. In Italy (at least in Rome) they are often engraved marble plates. See here for some examples: (might be harder I guess) http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/4809579?album_id=4237494 http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/4809316?album_id=4237494 http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/4715414?album_id=4237494 cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Arlindo Pereira wrote: Perhaps would be a good idea to set up a wiki page for the signs with the colors and a sample photo? Not to mention the habit of some municipalities here to clarify the name of the street on a separate line. Or what about Belgian bilingual signs, with a creative Rue actual name Straat system, cleverly making use of the fact that in French the 'street' word goes at the beginning and in Dutch it goes at the end. building numbers of the block and the street's postcode (which are not like zip codes, they're different for every single street). ZIP code systems are not always of the one number for a big block of houses/streets variety. -- Lennard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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here, whatever the local council decides to put up often reflective silverish background, black letters may be black on yellow may be white on blue may be green on white Where's here? The UK seems to be rather variable, black on white is most common but I've seen white on green, white on black, and rarely, other schemes such as white on blue. The UK seems to be particularly heterogeneous with regards to colour and font compared to other countries I've visited such as Germany and the USA. Other countries have more tendency for a national scheme, whereas the UK seems to depend on the local council, and even they are inconsistent (my own city has about 10 to 15 different styles, some introduced within a few months of each other!) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk writes: here, whatever the local council decides to put up often reflective silverish background, black letters may be black on yellow may be white on blue may be green on white Where's here? The UK seems to be rather variable, black on white is most common but I've seen white on green, white on black, and rarely, other schemes such as white on blue. The UK seems to be particularly heterogeneous with regards to colour and font compared to other countries I've visited such as Germany and the USA. Other countries have more tendency for a national scheme, whereas the UK seems to depend on the local council, and even they are inconsistent (my own city has about 10 to 15 different styles, some introduced within a few months of each other!) In Massachusetts, US, street sign coloring can vary at each town (where there are ~350 towns, many of which have ~ afew thousand people). There are a lot of white on green (my town), but the next town west has white on red. Plus, the town I grew up has black raised lettering on white with a black border (think pretty wrought iron) for old signs, but I think is replacing them with white on green. I would think the solution is an easy way to train/teach, not a giant database of the world, as it seems too variable in time to keep up with at that scale. pgp652sJyUrYr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
Hey All, As of yesterday, the Google Summer of Code has ended. With some appropriate pride, I offer you signFinder: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/ . As part of the OpenStreetPhoto project, this program detects, segments, and reads dutch street-signs. For high-quality pictures (and not too old street-signs), performance is good. The project is right now trained to read dutch street-signs, but as long as they have a distinct color, there's no reason why it couldn't read foreign street-signs. Read this: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/wiki/TrainingOtherCountries document on how to adapt the signFinder to street-signs of other countries. The end of the summer of code, doesn't mean that I'll stop working on this project. There are still methods to explore, and performance to improve. More importantly: I'm looking for practical applications for this software. I'll be working with Stefan and others on an integration with the OpenStreetView / OpenStreetPhoto project, but suggestions on an exact use are welcome, as well as wholly unrelated ideas. I just saw that a discussion going on about video in OpenStreetView. I expect to have a video to play with soon, and will report if results are reasonable. - Tijs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Whooohoow this is so cool! Looks like a lot of Voodoo to me :) As I saw from the samples It doesn't work well on blurred images, so it won't work with sth. like a helmet or a car camera, would it? Peter Tijs Zwinkels schrieb: Hey All, As of yesterday, the Google Summer of Code has ended. With some appropriate pride, I offer you signFinder: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/ . As part of the OpenStreetPhoto project, this program detects, segments, and reads dutch street-signs. For high-quality pictures (and not too old street-signs), performance is good. The project is right now trained to read dutch street-signs, but as long as they have a distinct color, there's no reason why it couldn't read foreign street-signs. Read this: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/wiki/TrainingOtherCountries document on how to adapt the signFinder to street-signs of other countries. The end of the summer of code, doesn't mean that I'll stop working on this project. There are still methods to explore, and performance to improve. More importantly: I'm looking for practical applications for this software. I'll be working with Stefan and others on an integration with the OpenStreetView / OpenStreetPhoto project, but suggestions on an exact use are welcome, as well as wholly unrelated ideas. I just saw that a discussion going on about video in OpenStreetView. I expect to have a video to play with soon, and will report if results are reasonable. - Tijs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Peter Körner schreef: Whooohoow this is so cool! Looks like a lot of Voodoo to me :) As I saw from the samples It doesn't work well on blurred images, so it won't work with sth. like a helmet or a car camera, would it? Camera's are not by default blury, they become blurry if the shutterspeed is too low ;) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkqLFs8ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn01pgCfVghYTWT8QOYriSX2wZS7pHoJ Q0kAn0uvW5ybMm9J5JU5mvnLK3FH2G24 =ZXVS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:02:07 +0200, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Peter Körner schreef: Whooohoow this is so cool! Looks like a lot of Voodoo to me :) As I saw from the samples It doesn't work well on blurred images, so it won't work with sth. like a helmet or a car camera, would it? Camera's are not by default blury, they become blurry if the shutterspeed is too low ;) And for a fully automated camera, the shutterspeed is set by light conditions, i.e. not enough light = blurry pictures -- Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
