Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Here's a 'funny' example in the opposite direction. Compare http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=39.583466lng=-76.129246zoom=13directions=39.57989335828052,-76.15070343017578,39.603175259215426,-76.0719108581543travel=carstyleId=1 with http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=N+Earlton+Rd+Extdaddr=39.602249,-76.071911hl=engeocode=FVDyWwId_gh2-w%3Bmra=dmemrcr=0mrsp=1sz=13sll=39.582936,-76.100922sspn=0.093139,0.154324ie=UTF8z=13 The Cloudmade/OSM route is about 28 times longer. I expect it's just a simple missing connection but it make a big difference in the NY to Washington DC route (1.3 times longer). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3% 9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll =52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13 .277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15direction s=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.26784729957 5806travel=carstyleId=1 Here's a 'funny' example in the opposite direction. Compare http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=39.583466lng=- 76.129246zoom=13directions=39.57989335828052,- 76.15070343017578,39.603175259215426,- 76.0719108581543travel=carstyleId=1 with http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=N+Earlton+Rd+Extdad dr=39.602249,-76.071911hl=engeocode=FVDyWwId_gh2- w%3Bmra=dmemrcr=0mrsp=1sz=13sll=39.582936,- 76.100922sspn=0.093139,0.154324ie=UTF8z=13 The Cloudmade/OSM route is about 28 times longer. I expect it's just a simple missing connection but it make a big difference in the NY to Washington DC route (1.3 times longer). -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com There's a large chunk of one lane of I-95 missing. I traced it from yahoo imagery in Potlach. Such is the power of OSM. :) -Jeremy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Jeremy Adams wrote: The Cloudmade/OSM route is about 28 times longer. I expect it's just a simple missing connection but it make a big difference in the NY to Washington DC route (1.3 times longer). There's a large chunk of one lane of I-95 missing. I traced it from yahoo imagery in Potlach. Such is the power of OSM. :) We've used oddities in routing programmes in the Au region to find those sort of problems - it has been a very useful exercise of testing the data ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Why the Hell all drivers are driving the wrong way !!! :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : ste...@jabber.fr 0x39494CCB ste...@le-roux.info 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Haha. Nice one. Maybe you can? There is no line in the middle of the road preventing crossing the road (see also the car turning a little south). I do assume there is a no left turn sign at the side of the road, but from this angle, that sign is invisible ;) Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? OSM also never tells you to turn 180 degrees across a motorway central reservation, then drive off the side of a bridge and fall to the road 15 metres below: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=Glasgow+Airport,+Abbotsinch,+Paisley,+Renfrewshire,+UKdaddr=Glasgow+Central+stationgeocode=hl=enmra=lssll=55.85277,-4.26733sspn=0.015273,0.029011ie=UTF8ll=55.855793,-4.268575spn=0.007636,0.014505t=hz=16 -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? OSM also never tells you to turn 180 degrees across a motorway central reservation, then drive off the side of a bridge and fall to the road 15 metres below: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=Glasgow+Airport,+Abbotsinch,+Paisley,+Renfrewshire,+UKdaddr=Glasgow+Central+stationgeocode=hl=enmra=lssll=55.85277,-4.26733sspn=0.015273,0.029011ie=UTF8ll=55.855793,-4.268575spn=0.007636,0.014505t=hz=16 Me thinks it is time for a hall of shame on the OSM site, with links like this and hopefully the correct solution on OSM? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/18 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: Jonathan Bennett wrote: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? OSM also never tells you to turn 180 degrees across a motorway central reservation, then drive off the side of a bridge and fall to the road 15 metres below: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=Glasgow+Airport,+Abbotsinch,+Paisley,+Renfrewshire,+UKdaddr=Glasgow+Central+stationgeocode=hl=enmra=lssll=55.85277,-4.26733sspn=0.015273,0.029011ie=UTF8ll=55.855793,-4.268575spn=0.007636,0.014505t=hz=16 Me thinks it is time for a hall of shame on the OSM site, with links like this and hopefully the correct solution on OSM? I don't really think plastering commercial offerings as glitchy is good idea PR and generally wise. Let's make sure OSM doesn't have such errors better. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
That onramp isn't even connected: http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.502802lng=13.277653zoom=18directions=52.502259876407635,13.276575207710266,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 And there's no restriction against this similar move: http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.503171lng=13.278029zoom=18directions=52.503628092459394,13.278753161430359,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Haha. Nice one. Maybe you can? There is no line in the middle of the road preventing crossing the road (see also the car turning a little south). I do assume there is a no left turn sign at the side of the road, but from this angle, that sign is invisible ;) It looks like the accepted procedure is to go down a little further and make a U-turn. At least, that seems to be what this person is doing: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8ll=52.502479,13.276866spn=0.000233,0.000596t=hz=21 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Lester Caine wrote: Me thinks it is time for a hall of shame on the OSM site, with links like this and hopefully the correct solution on OSM? http://googlemapsfail.tumblr.com/ cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Google-Maps-v.s.-OSM-routing-in-Berlin-tp25500486p25516278.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Hum.. what do you want to tell us? :) Sorry if it's self-evident, but I don't see your point. Which of the both routes is wrong? or are they both valid? Which one would you prefer, then? Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
Hum.. what do you want to tell us? :) Sorry if it's self-evident, but I don't see your point. Which of the both routes is wrong? or are they both valid? guck dir mal den Verlauf an ... das Drehen auf dem südlichen Teil des Messedamms ist nicht wirklich prickelnd und sicher nicht für Fahranfänger (am ICC geht es gar nicht wegen des Mittelstreifens) Which one would you prefer, then? siehe andere E-Mail - kommt auf die Verkehrslage an. Schusch ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? It's actually quite disturbing to think that GPS units are going to be using the same data and presumably giving similar directions in-car. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 I was looking last night at a route on the Isle of Man and found some inconsistencies around following the same road, e.g. 'take first right' when really there's a road off to the left and the road you're on just continues as normal http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=Cregneash,+Castletown,+UKdaddr=Ramsey,+Lezayre,+United+Kingdomhl=engeocode=%3BFRXkPAMdehC9_wmra=pemrcr=0sll=52.936326,-2.040032sspn=7.47315,19.160156ie=UTF8ll=54.203247,-4.628962spn=0.00177,0.004678t=hz=18 and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just continues past the junction with a curve to the right. I guess I should check out OSM's routing on similar routes to make sure it doesn't have similarly confusing pitfalls :) Dan -- Dan Karran d...@karran.net www.dankarran.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
2009/9/18 Dan Karran d...@karran.net: and 'turn right' to stay on the same road, even though it just continues past the junction with a curve to the right. Well yes, but there is a road going straight ahead as well. I've seen plenty of situations where it is not obvious that the road you are on is not the one going straight ahead. If the instructions say follow this road but didn't tell me that the road I'm supposed to be following turns right at a certain intersection, I would tend to go straight ahead. I have in fact done this several times, at different places. In this situation, looking at the aerial photography, it would be obvious which road to take. But I'd rather it warned me unnecessarily than not warn me when it was needed. Stephen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Maps v.s. OSM routing in Berlin
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Why doesn't OSM ever tell me to take a 270 degree turn into oncoming traffic on a 6-lane highway and get onto the motorway_link on the other side? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=B2%2FB5%2FHeerstra%C3%9Fedaddr=A115geocode=FQQ6IQMdPXrKAA%3BFX38IAMdsmvKAAhl=enmra=lssll=52.493736,13.266249sspn=0.002567,0.009645ie=UTF8t=hll=52.502622,13.277648spn=0.001283,0.004823z=18 Nice catch! http://cloudmade.com/maps?lat=52.505434lng=13.272686zoom=15directions=52.50880994711401,13.27127609253,52.49494458610386,13.267847299575806travel=carstyleId=1 Try reversing this route it starts with 2 consecutive U-turns in instructions (on left) in two different intersections while it goes straight on map. Stefan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
