Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
2009/10/10 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com: multiple plans would overlap each other and look weird? look weird where? I guess these would not be rendered in standard maps (or just in advanced planning phases and for main plans like motorways, airports, etc.). I made a proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:planned cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
2009/10/9 Bráulio Bezerra da Silva brauliobeze...@gmail.com: I agree with you. Every single map of my city I've seen has some planned roads where in reality we have a forest or something else. These roads are in the oficial map of the city plan made by the authorities and are promptly copied to comercial maps. I think we should map only things that are clearly in the construction phase, and of course use a tag to indicate this. I think we could map also planned roads, as long as they are mapped as planned and not as in construction or in use. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
Dave F. wrote: It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. Not sure you got my point (I should have used a smiley). I don't want to put anything into osm that is just lines on a blueprint in a drawer at the municipality. I map what's on the ground. When (if) those streets actually get built then I will map them. TeleAtlas apparently got those plans from the municipality and promptly included them in their database as if those streets are already there. May lead to a few confused TomTom users in that area :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
I have found situations in the past where maps showed bridges that had been planned, but, even decades later, were never actually built. --Original Message-- From: Polderrunner Sender: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org To: Open Street Map mailing list Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet Sent: Oct 8, 2009 1:56 PM Dave F. wrote: It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. Not sure you got my point (I should have used a smiley). I don't want to put anything into osm that is just lines on a blueprint in a drawer at the municipality. I map what's on the ground. When (if) those streets actually get built then I will map them. TeleAtlas apparently got those plans from the municipality and promptly included them in their database as if those streets are already there. May lead to a few confused TomTom users in that area :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
Polderrunner wrote: Dave F. wrote: It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. Not sure you got my point (I should have used a smiley). I don't want to put anything into osm that is just lines on a blueprint in a drawer at the municipality. I map what's on the ground. When (if) those streets actually get built then I will map them. Err.. OK. Developers accurate detailed plans less worth than GPS signals in a built up area? OK, if you say so. I know which I'd rather have. TeleAtlas apparently got those plans from the municipality and promptly included them in their database as if those streets are already there. May lead to a few confused TomTom users in that area :-) True. I didn't suggest using them immediately, I thought that if you got hold of them they might be useful references, but whatever you think's best. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. How much permission do we need for stuff like that? I have this map: http://warper.geothings.net/maps/preview/1474 ... where someone working for the developer in their sales office said no problems adding this to your map. But without anything in writing from the company's lawyers, is it OK to add to OSM? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
I agree with you. Every single map of my city I've seen has some planned roads where in reality we have a forest or something else. These roads are in the oficial map of the city plan made by the authorities and are promptly copied to comercial maps. I think we should map only things that are clearly in the construction phase, and of course use a tag to indicate this. On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Polderrunner opn-...@ngc7000.org wrote: Dave F. wrote: It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. Not sure you got my point (I should have used a smiley). I don't want to put anything into osm that is just lines on a blueprint in a drawer at the municipality. I map what's on the ground. When (if) those streets actually get built then I will map them. TeleAtlas apparently got those plans from the municipality and promptly included them in their database as if those streets are already there. May lead to a few confused TomTom users in that area :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761z=18 http://osm.org/go/ueTQprZn8-- I came past it this afternoon and it's no where near completed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 2:12:19 pm John Smith wrote: Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: they still cannot compete - we had katipara junction clover leaf flyover on our map at least six months before it was completed ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
2009/10/7 Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org: they still cannot compete - we had katipara junction clover leaf flyover on our map at least six months before it was completed ;-) I just find it funny that they've upgraded their data well before it's completed :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
We certainly can't beat Google here! http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.00686lon=4.32042layers=B0TF (use the slider to blend the osm map in and out) Google Maps are years ahead of reality in this new construction area. All the streets 'missing' from OSM are also non-existent in the real landscape. Most of those fanthom streets haven't even started to be built yet. I surveyed the 'forbidden' roads in the middle some time ago and what you see on the osm map is really what's on the ground at the moment. John Smith wrote: Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761z=18 http://osm.org/go/ueTQprZn8-- I came past it this afternoon and it's no where near completed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
seems G don't have the tag for under construction then? In Bedford they've left the map as it was before development was started: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.11093lon=-0.51451layers=B0TF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
Polderrunner wrote: We certainly can't beat Google here! http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.00686lon=4.32042layers=B0TF (use the slider to blend the osm map in and out) Google Maps are years ahead of reality in this new construction area. All the streets 'missing' from OSM are also non-existent in the real landscape. Most of those fanthom streets haven't even started to be built yet. I surveyed the 'forbidden' roads in the middle some time ago and what you see on the osm map is really what's on the ground at the moment. John Smith wrote: Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761z=18 http://osm.org/go/ueTQprZn8-- I came past it this afternoon and it's no where near completed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
