Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
Hi Richard, hi Simon At 2014-03-14 16:19 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole wrote At 14.03.2014 16:06, schrieb Richard Z.: is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? ... What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Unluckily it is still a pain to use if you have problems with your eyesight, but at least you are not working for google at the same time. Yes, that's right, we are working hard to release a map related ReCaptcha, I called ReMAPTCHA. I will present it at GI_Forum Symposium in Salzburg in July 1-4 2014. I really hope to have a beta release ready next week! Yours, Stefan 2014-03-15 20:36 GMT+01:00 Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm: On 2014-03-15 19:04, colliar wrote: On 14.03.2014 19:12, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist How about adding *.wikipedia.org and josm.openstreetmaü.de to the list ? The whitelist already includes openstreetmap\.de and \.wikipedia\.org Not sure if that would include josm.openstreetmap.de, I don't know how the whitelist matches links? I am still in favour of interwiki links as they keep the connection protocol. Interwiki links to Wikipedia work fine. Just use something like [[wikipedia:OpenStreetMap]] or [[w:OpenStreetMap]] Or specify the language, eg [[wikipedia:de:OpenStreetMap]] Craig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 07:17:26AM +0100, Stefan Keller wrote: Hi Richard, hi Simon At 2014-03-14 16:19 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole wrote At 14.03.2014 16:06, schrieb Richard Z.: is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? ... What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Unluckily it is still a pain to use if you have problems with your eyesight, but at least you are not working for google at the same time. Yes, that's right, we are working hard to release a map related ReCaptcha, I called ReMAPTCHA. I will present it at GI_Forum Symposium in Salzburg in July 1-4 2014. I really hope to have a beta release ready next week! thanks. Even though I have no problems with my eyes I still find it frequently difficult to recognise the distorted letters and have to reload a few times. A working and maintained whitelist would be really good in addition to any captcha improvememnts... Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 14:22 +0100, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 07:17:26AM +0100, Stefan Keller wrote: Hi Richard, hi Simon At 2014-03-14 16:19 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole wrote At 14.03.2014 16:06, schrieb Richard Z.: is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? ... What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Unluckily it is still a pain to use if you have problems with your eyesight, but at least you are not working for google at the same time. Yes, that's right, we are working hard to release a map related ReCaptcha, I called ReMAPTCHA. I will present it at GI_Forum Symposium in Salzburg in July 1-4 2014. I really hope to have a beta release ready next week! thanks. Even though I have no problems with my eyes I still find it frequently difficult to recognise the distorted letters and have to reload a few times. A working and maintained whitelist would be really good in addition to any captcha improvememnts... I find the same problems, I have no eyesight issues but often have to have several reloads, or guesses before I get them right. If I don't need to get passed them I will tend to not bother and go somewhere else. I have often wondered if these evil things are legal under the Disability Discrimination Act (UK), I suppose the audio option gets many sites around this. Anything that relies only on good eyesight, without an audio alternative, should not be considered as it will almost certainly break the DDA. A google search for disability discrimination act captcha brings up some interesting stuff. This one for instance http://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/Web_and_Internet_Law/Web_Accessibility_Law Phil (trigpoint) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 14.03.2014 19:12, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist How about adding *.wikipedia.org and josm.openstreetmaü.de to the list ? I am still in favour of interwiki links as they keep the connection protocol. cu colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 2014-03-15 19:04, colliar wrote: On 14.03.2014 19:12, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist How about adding *.wikipedia.org and josm.openstreetmaü.de to the list ? The whitelist already includes openstreetmap\.de and \.wikipedia\.org Not sure if that would include josm.openstreetmap.de, I don't know how the whitelist matches links? I am still in favour of interwiki links as they keep the connection protocol. Interwiki links to Wikipedia work fine. Just use something like [[wikipedia:OpenStreetMap]] or [[w:OpenStreetMap]] Or specify the language, eg [[wikipedia:de:OpenStreetMap]] Craig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
Hi, is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? There are at least 2 tickets open which could help a lot: *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5116 *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3898 I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good enough confidence to even try it. How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Unluckily it is still a pain to use if you have problems with your eyesight, but at least you are not working for google at the same time. Simon Am 14.03.2014 16:06, schrieb Richard Z.: Hi, is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? There are at least 2 tickets open which could help a lot: *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5116 *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3898 I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good enough confidence to even try it. How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 14.03.2014 16:06, Richard Z. wrote: Hi, is there really no way to avoid those horrible captchas whenever I add a link to a JOSM bug ticket or another friendly website to the wiki?? How about interlinks ? JOSM Trac has some for most common external website (OSM, OSM-wiki, OSM-Trac etc.) This is also needed to stay on the same protocol (https) There are at least 2 tickets open which could help a lot: *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/5116 *https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3898 I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good enough confidence to even try it. How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets which should make it a lot easier Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 14/03/14 15:50, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets which should make it a lot easier Well 5116 doesn't actually specify what it is you actually the admins to do. It asks for known good URLs to be whitelisted without actually defining what constitutes a known good URL. Since I'm pretty sure that both known good and known bad are infinite sets, even if anybody could agree what constituted good or bad in this context, it is really very helpful. I'm sure if you make concrete suggestions for URLs that should be whitelisted then somebody will consider them. I'm not exactly sure what 3898 is asking for because I'm not familiar with the details of that config option, but it sounds like it is just asking for the captcha to be switched off. I'm sure that would be lovely for the real wiki users. I'm equally sure it would be lovely for the spammers, so it's not really a solution for anything. Certainly neither of those tickets seems to represent something trivial or concrete that could be actioned immediately in the way you are implying. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 14.03.2014 17:01, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:50, Richard Z. wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 03:43:38PM +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 14/03/14 15:06, Richard Z. wrote: How about an OSM quiz instead of captchas? You're offering to write one I take it? will think about one. In the short term, there are open tickets which should make it a lot easier Well 5116 doesn't actually specify what it is you actually the admins to do. It asks for known good URLs to be whitelisted without actually defining what constitutes a known good URL. Since I'm pretty sure that both known good and known bad are infinite sets, even if anybody could agree what constituted good or bad in this context, it is really very helpful. I'm sure if you make concrete suggestions for URLs that should be whitelisted then somebody will consider them. I'm not exactly sure what 3898 is asking for because I'm not familiar with the details of that config option, but it sounds like it is just asking for the captcha to be switched off. I'm sure that would be lovely for the real wiki users. I'm equally sure it would be lovely for the spammers, so it's not really a solution for anything. Certainly neither of those tickets seems to represent something trivial or concrete that could be actioned immediately in the way you are implying. How about interwiki links to *.wikipedia.org, *.openstreetmap.org and josm.openstreetmap.de for a start ? Could be first in the whitelist but interwiki links would be much nicer. cu colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 07:12:13PM +0100, Tobias Knerr wrote: On 14.03.2014 17:15, Tom Hughes wrote: I think most of those are already whitelisted aren't they? Unless I'm mistaken, these are the currently whitelisted URLs: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist great, hope that will work. Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
Richard Z. ricoz.osm at gmail.com writes: I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good enough confidence to even try it. You only have to type the right number for the distorted figures. You can type whatever you like for the photograph. -- Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
Andrew, ha, as a rule, you can recognize a photo but not a distorted figures. 2014-03-14 22:50 GMT+01:00 Andrew Hain andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk: Richard Z. ricoz.osm at gmail.com writes: I need on average 4 captcha-reloads before I get a captcha picture which I can recognise with good enough confidence to even try it. You only have to type the right number for the distorted figures. You can type whatever you like for the photograph. -- Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Thank you for your time. Best regards. Dmitry. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hate captchas!!!!
2014-03-14 16:19 GMT+01:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: What I saw on Tuesday seem to indicate that ReMAPTCHA (Stefan?) is nearly here. As the name says it is map related. Wonderful idea! There's a demo/the code somewhere? Cristian ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
