Re: [OSM-talk] Let's think about how we use mailing lists (was: Re: Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !))

2020-08-22 Thread pangoSE
Thanks for the heads up. Words are really powerful so its wise to weigh them 
carefully before disclosure. 

I have no intentions of highlighting the errors of others just for the sake of 
it. Individual errors are not interesting, but they can give input to a healthy 
discussion. 

I have ideas for improving OSM and raise the quality. I can see that it helps 
to be friendly and diplomatic so I'll try being that.

I will try moderate my criticism and sleep on it when I have something to 
suggest instead of posting right away.

I'm really passionate sometimes and I guess it spills over into my emails.

No harm intended.

Have a nice day.

Cheers 
pangoSE 

Andy Townsend  skrev: (22 augusti 2020 11:23:11 CEST)
>On 22/08/2020 09:12, pangoSE wrote:
>> Here is yet another example of bad data in our database:
>>
>(to "pangoSE", via the list):
>
>Sometimes it helps to think about how we react to things in the spur of
>
>the moment.  Martijn's anecdote was about something that he mapped 9 
>years ago that was _correct at the time_ .
>
>People occasionally claim that open mailing lists are "toxic" or 
>similar, because they allow people to say things quickly without 
>thinking, and anything posted can't later be deleted because it has
>been 
>emailed to everyone.  Posts like the above don't help people who might 
>be reserved about posting here from doing so.
>
>Some of your recent posts (e.g. 
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-August/085281.html
>) 
>look indistinguishable from those that a troll might make to me.  You 
>probably don't think of yourself as a troll - you just thing that you 
>are asking "serious and pertinent questions". You're right that there's
>
>a discussion to be had about exactly how OSM and wikipedia et al are 
>linked, but taking unrelated comments out of context doesn't help your 
>argument - it'll just make it more likely that people will file all of 
>your posts in the "round filing cabinet in the corner of the room" 
>rather than read them.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Andy (writing in a personal capacity, and not - thankfully - any sort
>of 
>list moderator here)
>
>
>
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[OSM-talk] Let's think about how we use mailing lists (was: Re: Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !))

2020-08-22 Thread Andy Townsend

On 22/08/2020 09:12, pangoSE wrote:

Here is yet another example of bad data in our database:


(to "pangoSE", via the list):

Sometimes it helps to think about how we react to things in the spur of 
the moment.  Martijn's anecdote was about something that he mapped 9 
years ago that was _correct at the time_ .


People occasionally claim that open mailing lists are "toxic" or 
similar, because they allow people to say things quickly without 
thinking, and anything posted can't later be deleted because it has been 
emailed to everyone.  Posts like the above don't help people who might 
be reserved about posting here from doing so.


Some of your recent posts (e.g. 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-August/085281.html ) 
look indistinguishable from those that a troll might make to me.  You 
probably don't think of yourself as a troll - you just thing that you 
are asking "serious and pertinent questions". You're right that there's 
a discussion to be had about exactly how OSM and wikipedia et al are 
linked, but taking unrelated comments out of context doesn't help your 
argument - it'll just make it more likely that people will file all of 
your posts in the "round filing cabinet in the corner of the room" 
rather than read them.


Best Regards,

Andy (writing in a personal capacity, and not - thankfully - any sort of 
list moderator here)




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