[OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Wendorff

Hi.
How is the map key (german: Legende) generated on osm.org?
It looks like it is out of sync for the mapnik rendering (viewing from 
Germany, description texts are in german).

- some items are not matching between map key and map
- many items rendered in the map are not reflected in the map key

Has this e.g. to be generated for an updated mapnik stylesheet?

regards
Peter

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

2012-03-22 Thread Tom Hughes

On 22/03/12 13:23, Peter Wendorff wrote:


How is the map key (german: Legende) generated on osm.org?
It looks like it is out of sync for the mapnik rendering (viewing from
Germany, description texts are in german).
- some items are not matching between map key and map
- many items rendered in the map are not reflected in the map key

Has this e.g. to be generated for an updated mapnik stylesheet?


It's completely manual - at some point somebody gave me a load of images 
and text and I build a key from them.


Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

2012-03-22 Thread Steve Chilton
I produced the images (ages ago).
If there are anomalies in the colours or symbols please let me know as I can 
change them.
They are deliberately a subset of all the possible entities that could be 
included.

Cheers
Steve

Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow
Educational Development Manager
Centre for Learning and Teaching Enhancement
Middlesex University
phone: 020 8411 5355
email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk
Profile: http://www.middlesex.wikispaces.net/user/view/steve8

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-Original Message-
From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] 
Sent: 22 March 2012 13:37
To: Peter Wendorff
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

On 22/03/12 13:23, Peter Wendorff wrote:

 How is the map key (german: Legende) generated on osm.org?
 It looks like it is out of sync for the mapnik rendering (viewing from
 Germany, description texts are in german).
 - some items are not matching between map key and map
 - many items rendered in the map are not reflected in the map key

 Has this e.g. to be generated for an updated mapnik stylesheet?

It's completely manual - at some point somebody gave me a load of images 
and text and I build a key from them.

Tom

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http://compton.nu/

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

2012-03-22 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/3/22 Steve Chilton s.l.chil...@mdx.ac.uk

 I produced the images (ages ago).
 If there are anomalies in the colours or symbols please let me know as I
 can change them.
 They are deliberately a subset of all the possible entities that could be
 included.

 Cheers
 Steve


There is also the issue of different renderers, and different renderings of
data within the same renderer (Mapquest renders highways different in USA).
Maybe there should be a wiki page from where images would be extracted.
Translations are already extracted from http://translatewiki.net

Janko Mihelić
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Wendorff

Hi.
Preface: I'll copy this mail to the d...@openstreetmap.org list, too, so 
please restrict to one list when answering; but I think, this mail deals 
with dev-issues, too and parts of the discussion might progress better 
on dev.


I don't see the English descriptions, so I hope to guess the right keys 
for you.
Most issues I list here are missing or obsolete items. Errors (where the 
map key and the map differ) are marked as ERROR! if you only want to 
deal with these.

German descriptions in paratheses.
I checked everything up to zoom level 10, afterwards it's difficult as 
both, map and key get more crowded. So in higher zoom levels I restrict 
to errors and issues I see by accident.


Btw: What about generating the map key from the stylesheet 
automatically? Is there any ongoing work on that?



level 0: renders only land and water, but map key contains motorway 
(Autobahn), trunk (Schnellstraße) and Country? These are not shown up to 
level 4. borders (Landesgrenzen, sonstige Grenzen)
level 1: similar to 0, borders are shown, the other two are obsolete 
in the map key

level 2, 3: missing key for Country labels
level 4: no differentiation between the two, but different border types 
(countries vs. states)

level 5: missing key for Capitals
level 6: glaciers are missing (but quite prominent e.g. in the Alps). 
Meaning of the city label changes (compared to lvl5): includes 
additional big cities.

level 7: national parks are missing, but rendered (light green)
level 8: map shows forests/woods (very prominent), but that's not in the 
map key
level 9: missing key for agricultural landuse (Landwirtschaft in level 
10), but prominent in many areas. Rivers missing
level 10: Motorway key should contain the shield (as common in 
commercial maps), Airports are missing, restricted areas are missing 
(the red, diagonal striped areas)
level 11: trunks and primary roads are rendered with shields in the map, 
should be reflected in the map key; motorway links are rendered as small 
numbers, but not in the map key. Peaks are missing in the map key; 
nature reserve(?) (rendered as small green NR icons on areas) is 
missing in the map key

level 13: tertiary is missing in the map key



well... on a deeper look the error I saw is no error (secondary and 
tertiary are similar, and I interpreted the secondary map key for a 
street that was a tertiary in the map, while in that area no secondary 
is present).


Nevertheless: Anything that counts against generating the map key in 
general out of the stylesheet?
If that would be possible, we could additionally support the 
opencyclemap, public transport map (afaik both rendered with mapnik, 
too) and probably even Mapquest, if they support this.


Is there any development on 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/legend.py ?
Probably that is a good starting point for automatic generation of the 
map key?


regards
Peter


Am 22.03.2012 14:42, schrieb Steve Chilton:

I produced the images (ages ago).
If there are anomalies in the colours or symbols please let me know as I can 
change them.
They are deliberately a subset of all the possible entities that could be 
included.

Cheers
Steve

Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow
Educational Development Manager
Centre for Learning and Teaching Enhancement
Middlesex University
phone: 020 8411 5355
email: ste...@mdx.ac.uk
Profile: http://www.middlesex.wikispaces.net/user/view/steve8

Chair of the Society of Cartographers: http://www.soc.org.uk/
Chair of ICA Neocartography Commission: http://www.soc.org.uk/neocartography/


-Original Message-
From: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu]
Sent: 22 March 2012 13:37
To: Peter Wendorff
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Map key on osm.org

On 22/03/12 13:23, Peter Wendorff wrote:


How is the map key (german: Legende) generated on osm.org?
It looks like it is out of sync for the mapnik rendering (viewing from
Germany, description texts are in german).
- some items are not matching between map key and map
- many items rendered in the map are not reflected in the map key

Has this e.g. to be generated for an updated mapnik stylesheet?

It's completely manual - at some point somebody gave me a load of images
and text and I build a key from them.

Tom




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