Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
that is great! Bugreport: on http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=16lat=50.09317lon=14.34431layers=B0Tlang=cs|ru you can see lot of empty labels like _() ... Jakub On 1.12.2012 03:25, Stephan Knauss wrote: Jochen Topf writes: I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ nice result. Still in Thailand and probably the neighboring countries as well the font size is so small that it's hard to read all labels. Using a vector font instead of bitmap fonts might improve it as well. In the past someone suggested to create an OSM font containing all vector glyphs into one font. Not sure if this could solve the problem with the size as well. Stephan -- Jakub A. Tesinsky (j...@kub.cz) tel: 7778 JAKUB, web: ja.kub.cz Potius sero quam numquam. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
On 30/11/2012 14:34, Jochen Topf wrote: Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. I notice it still has railway stations labelled with the default name, even if they do have a name in the specified language. Craig ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 01:51:56PM +, Craig Wallace wrote: On 30/11/2012 14:34, Jochen Topf wrote: Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. I notice it still has railway stations labelled with the default name, even if they do have a name in the specified language. Yes, thats a bug. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. For more about this project see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_Wikipedia_project Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
Works great for Brussels with all the French - Dutch labels! It's a nice way to spot incorrect language name tags... Is there a way to just display 'name:nl' or 'name:fr' without 'name'? Ben On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. For more about this project see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_Wikipedia_project Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 04:18:29PM +0100, Ben Abelshausen wrote: Works great for Brussels with all the French - Dutch labels! It's a nice way to spot incorrect language name tags... Is there a way to just display 'name:nl' or 'name:fr' without 'name'? Currently thats not possible. I'll think about how I can add this. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
Jochen This is very interesting more particulary in areas of the world were we do not recognize the alphabets. I tried it in Syria were default names are in arabic. If there is a correspondance for the language I select it is ok. Otherwise, the default name is kept. And there are many areas around the world were we are analphabets not knowing the characters. This brings the concept of languages proximity and establishing a priority in selecting language to show when there is no name for your selected language. For instance, if french or italian or spanish is not available, english should be showed before arabic, russian, etc. if it is in the list of names. Pierre De : Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Vendredi 30 novembre 2012 9h34 Objet : [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. For more about this project see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_Wikipedia_project Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 03:42:42PM +, Pierre Béland wrote: This is very interesting more particulary in areas of the world were we do not recognize the alphabets. I tried it in Syria were default names are in arabic. If there is a correspondance for the language I select it is ok. Otherwise, the default name is kept. And there are many areas around the world were we are analphabets not knowing the characters. This brings the concept of languages proximity and establishing a priority in selecting language to show when there is no name for your selected language. For instance, if french or italian or spanish is not available, english should be showed before arabic, russian, etc. if it is in the list of names. Thats why in this demo you can choose a list of languages. So when you enter fr,it,es,en in the field, those languages are tried in turn before the standard name tag is tried. This is obviously too complicated for everyday use, so for a real map application we have to find a different way, for instance using the browser preferences or having a hardcoded list of languages that are similar to others or so. Unfortunately using such a list can also be quite confusing if the user isn't aware of it. Suggestions welcome. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: This is obviously too complicated for everyday use, so for a real map application we have to find a different way, for instance using the browser preferences or having a hardcoded list of languages that are similar to others or so. Unfortunately using such a list can also be quite confusing if the user isn't aware of it. Suggestions welcome. Going down the browser preferences for sure, and if that fails, you could maybe match the first available language that has the same Suppress-Script as the requested one? http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry M ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. Is it better than the old approach (which is used on some wikipedia language sections already) by Kolossos? (toolserver no-labels layer + layers for different languages) Example: http://toolserver.org/~osm/locale/de.html (there are a lot more) If so (otherwise I presume you won't do it), why? IZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
Cool stuff! A while back I sketched out some ideas for something quite similar. Its v1 would have been along these lines with transparent PNGs. But v2 would have sent text labels as a JSON structure containing text plus xy or latlong positions, for rendering on the client. This way you can make separate decisions about text quality and map quality, potentially serving very compressed JPEG maps, and you get very quick rendering of placenames, they'd render before the tiles and you could potentially use only the labels, no tiles, where bandwidth was expensive — and you get quick client-side language changes. With the high frequency text components removed from map tiles, you can get away with much more aggresive compression. I'd love to turn down the quality of Retina map tiles when roaming! I was recently reminded of the benefits of separating text foreground (high freq, so compresses poorly) and image background (low freq, so compresses well) by examining the images embedded in some PDFs of scanned books at archive.org. I think they must have been converted from master files compressed for DjVu, where this separation is normal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DjVu#Compression - L On 30 Nov 2012, at 14:34, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. For more about this project see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_Wikipedia_project Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
The background tiles are JPEGs, the label tiles are transparent PNGs. So thats similar to what you were planning. Rendering the text in the client would be another option but thats outside the scope of this project. Jochen On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 07:09:36PM +, Laurence Penney wrote: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:09:36 + From: Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo Cool stuff! A while back I sketched out some ideas for something quite similar. Its v1 would have been along these lines with transparent PNGs. But v2 would have sent text labels as a JSON structure containing text plus xy or latlong positions, for rendering on the client. This way you can make separate decisions about text quality and map quality, potentially serving very compressed JPEG maps, and you get very quick rendering of placenames, they'd render before the tiles and you could potentially use only the labels, no tiles, where bandwidth was expensive — and you get quick client-side language changes. With the high frequency text components removed from map tiles, you can get away with much more aggresive compression. I'd love to turn down the quality of Retina map tiles when roaming! I was recently reminded of the benefits of separating text foreground (high freq, so compresses poorly) and image background (low freq, so compresses well) by examining the images embedded in some PDFs of scanned books at archive.org. I think they must have been converted from master files compressed for DjVu, where this separation is normal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DjVu#Compression - L On 30 Nov 2012, at 14:34, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Hi! I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ . The tiles for this demo are rendered on tile.openstreetmap.de, the software used is the MapQuest Render Stack with modifications by me. You can choose any language or language combination for the labels. This is only a demo, the site might be slow or not work at all. Please try it out and tell me what you like and what you don't like. For more about this project see: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_maps_Wikipedia_project Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual maps demo
Jochen Topf writes: I have been working on a multilingual OSM map, ie. a map where you, the user can decide in which language the labels should be. A demo of the system is now available at http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ nice result. Still in Thailand and probably the neighboring countries as well the font size is so small that it's hard to read all labels. Using a vector font instead of bitmap fonts might improve it as well. In the past someone suggested to create an OSM font containing all vector glyphs into one font. Not sure if this could solve the problem with the size as well. Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
