Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
On 02/06/09 21:16, Matías Iturburu wrote: Lately we have been interested in osm and, after noting that our town isn't in osm, we would like to upload all our catography to osm (it's quite a chunk of data). As a matter of taste we would like for the tiles on our (printed) maps, to be the same than those online. In what format do you have your data? Take into account that at this point we are more worries about legal and community concerns that on technical stuff. Also, if you know any other experience like this in other countries it's more than wellcome. Legally, you retain all rights to your own data; when you add it to OSM, you are just licensing it to everyone else non-exclusively. However, if you make your paper maps using data from OpenStreetMap which has been added to by other members of the community, you would need to follow the terms of the CC-BY-SA licence (or any future licence; there may be a change is in the works) under which the OSM data is licensed. In practice, that means putting an small attribution credit on the map. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
On 03/06/09 09:10, Gervase Markham wrote: In practice, that means putting an small attribution credit on the map. And, as a private emailer pointed out, to allow anyone to copy it without paying a fee. Which might be thought to be a big deal, but you can hardly reproduce an atlas with a photocopier. If people want it in a convenient format, they'll shell out for a copy. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
Hello list. Newbie here. I work for a small press plublishing shop in my city, for a number of years we have been developing and selling the most complete map of the city and towns nearby, being the de-facto reference for all the citizens, bus and taxi drivers, as well as for tourist in town. Lately we have been interested in osm and, after noting that our town isn't in osm, we would like to upload all our catography to osm (it's quite a chunk of data). As a matter of taste we would like for the tiles on our (printed) maps, to be the same than those online. So the question arises, it is possible for us to have most of our cartography on osm and still being able to print (and sell) our directory? Take into account that at this point we are more worries about legal and community concerns that on technical stuff. Also, if you know any other experience like this in other countries it's more than wellcome. Kind regards. -- Matías Iturburu ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: So the question arises, it is possible for us to have most of our cartography on osm and still being able to print (and sell) our directory? This may be a question for legal-talk or even talk-ar, but anyway: - Make sure you have rights over the data. Namely, make sure that you have the right to redistribute the data freely. - Nothing stops you for selling the directory even if you put some of it in OSM. You would be granting OSM users a NON-exclusive license to the data. Take into account that at this point we are more worries about legal and community concerns that on technical stuff. Also, if you know any other experience like this in other countries it's more than welcome. I'm sure somebody from AND would be able to shed somelight over this. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes. -- Dylan Thomas signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
2009/6/2 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: So the question arises, it is possible for us to have most of our cartography on osm and still being able to print (and sell) our directory? This may be a question for legal-talk or even talk-ar, but anyway: Didn't find that on the osm.org, may be I didn't look deep enough. Sorry - Make sure you have rights over the data. Namely, make sure that you have the right to redistribute the data freely. - Nothing stops you for selling the directory even if you put some of it in OSM. You would be granting OSM users a NON-exclusive license to the data. Take into account that at this point we are more worries about legal and community concerns that on technical stuff. Also, if you know any other experience like this in other countries it's more than welcome. I'm sure somebody from AND would be able to shed somelight over this. on that last sentence I guess you mean legal-talk AND talk-ar. Correct me if I'm wrong. Nevertheless, thanks for the pointers! Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes. -- Dylan Thomas -- Matías Iturburu ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: [...] I'm sure somebody from AND would be able to shed somelight over this. on that last sentence I guess you mean legal-talk AND talk-ar. Correct me if I'm wrong. No, I mean AND as in Automobile Navigation Devices, the guys who donated the whole netherlands and that are still in the business of selling cartography. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es http://ivan.sanchezortega.es Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.29-2-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.10, and PHP 5.2.9-4 generating this signature. Uptime: 23:48:45 up 22:01, 2 users, load average: 1.05, 0.79, 0.83 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
2009/6/2 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: [...] I'm sure somebody from AND would be able to shed somelight over this. on that last sentence I guess you mean legal-talk AND talk-ar. Correct me if I'm wrong. No, I mean AND as in Automobile Navigation Devices, the guys who donated the whole netherlands and that are still in the business of selling cartography. oops :) Will take a look. thanks again ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?
Matías Iturburu wrote: Hello list. Newbie here. I work for a small press plublishing shop in my city, for a number of years we have been developing and selling the most complete map of the city and towns nearby, being the de-facto reference for all the citizens, bus and taxi drivers, as well as for tourist in town. Lately we have been interested in osm and, after noting that our town isn't in osm, we would like to upload all our catography to osm (it's quite a chunk of data). As a matter of taste we would like for the tiles on our (printed) maps, to be the same than those online. So the question arises, it is possible for us to have most of our cartography on osm and still being able to print (and sell) our directory? Take into account that at this point we are more worries about legal and community concerns that on technical stuff. Also, if you know any other experience like this in other countries it's more than wellcome. Kind regards. -- Matías Iturburu essentially, if it's your map you made it, not adapted it from some other map, yes you can. If you did base it on something else, it's ever so complicated. Given the above, if you put it into OSM you can still sell copies; if people work out how to make print their own, they can, however most of your customers wouldn't do so. Making it look the same may be interesting; the default OSM Mapnik interpretation may differ, but you can write your own set of rules to make it the same for your prints. The basic map would of course be the same; only details of how a given road is represented would change. The OSM.org map will have the default settings whatever you do, unless you convince the rest of the world that your way is sufficiently better to make them all change. You may feel that being able to quote the OSM map (and website) is a sufficient advantage to be worth the small number who feel able to 'roll their own' version. You may wish to keep a set of POI's for your own whilst placing the base map into the OSM domain. It is easy to include a small link to the OSM map in your own web site which displays the map nicely, so long as the link is credited that's OK. I do, not that we're in the cartography business but it's a nice touch much better than the other offerings, IMHO. I've had a map link on my work website for about a year; number of people commenting to date: 0.00 - HiHo. Not a desperately busy site. Mark ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
