Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Nominatim - censorship at github pages

2018-03-30 Thread cm-sanitas 
The message he refers to was sent only to dev list.   Dnia 30 marca 2018 21:35 
Martin Koppenhoefer <  dieterdre...@gmail.com > napisał(a):  sent from a 
phone   On 30. Mar 2018, at 19:12, Nicolás Alvarez <  
nicolas.alva...@gmail.com > wrote:   Your message did arrive to the list. 
Maybe you sent it twice and the moderator rejected one of themhe sent it to 
2 lists, dev and talk. The thread in dev was moderated.   cheers,  Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Nominatim - censorship at github pages

2018-03-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


sent from a phone

> On 30. Mar 2018, at 19:12, Nicolás Alvarez  wrote:
> 
> Your message did arrive to the list. Maybe you sent it twice and the 
> moderator rejected one of them


he sent it to 2 lists, dev and talk. The thread in dev was moderated.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Nominatim - censorship at github pages

2018-03-30 Thread Nicolás Alvarez 
Your message did arrive to the list. Maybe you sent it twice and the moderator 
rejected one of them (without changing the default rejection message).

-- 
Nicolás

El 30 mar. 2018, a la(s) 10:55, cm-sani...@wp.pl  escribió:

> Funny thing. Same thread but on dev mailing list ended up with censorship as 
> well. That is my on topic, non vulgar and not spammy message was rejected 
> because "Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.". Seriously? 
> I am raising the issue that deleting people's massages because you don't 
> agree with them is not ok and someone decides it's good idea to play censor 
> as well. My intention was not to show people in power that they can do 
> whatever they want in OSM community without facing any conseqences. So I am 
> sorry to anyone who wishes to discuss unpopular opinions here. I guess 
> instead of making this place better, I made it worse. Sorry.
> 
> Dnia 29 marca 2018 20:45 cm-sani...@wp.pl  napisał(a):
> 
> Hi,
> This time I have not risen an issue of the way how the project is 
> maintained/developed. I did it last time, nobody seemed very concerned and 
> for sure not much have change since then. I understand that maybe by being 
> nice you can achieve more. But in the end there are some facts and refusing 
> to accept them because they weren't presented in a kind way makes people a 
> bit delusional.
> 
> But as I said. I am here because of censorship and I wanted to have the 
> decision explained. Someone decided the Nominatim comes under OpenStreetMap 
> umbrella, the fork is being deployed under osm domain, it's linked around the 
> osm pages. I would have expected it runs in more transparent way and it's not 
> run without any over watch. 
> 
> Mariusz
> 
> Dnia 29 marca 2018 16:17 Imre Samu  napisał(a):
> 
> Hi Mariusz,
> 
> > I criticized that this important service is being neglected and is 
> > maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to. 
> >... 
> >Can somebody tell me why it is that?
> > ...
> 
> imho:  
> 
> my favorite on this topics:  
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication 
> and according to my experience  - moralistic judgments and diagnoses can't 
> help solve the problems. 
> on the other hand, Empathy ( for the project )  can be very powerful.
> 
> And If you want to understand the other side, read this:"Why I didn’t fix 
> your bug"   http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=518
> so "Be nice" and give a positive surprise   ( for example add a picture of a 
> cute animal for your issue;   example:  
> https://github.com/moby/moby/pull/36630 )
> disclaimer:
> - I have 1 accepted contributions:  
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/690
> 
> 
> Regards,
>  Imre
> 
> 
> 2018-03-26 12:43 GMT+02:00 cm-sani...@wp.pl :
> Hi,
> Some time ago on this mailing list I expressed concern about the way 
> Nominatim is being maintained. In short, I criticized that this important 
> service is being neglected and is maintained in a way which makes it quite 
> impossible to contribute to. My opinion meet with hostility (which I don't 
> really mind). But what I mind is censorship. Lately somebody else noticed [1] 
> that having pull request opened for 6 years without any explanation why it's 
> not merged doesn't look good. I contributed to the discussion, explained the 
> reasoning for having it opened (which was presented to me during last time I 
> took part in discussion here). Now I look at the pull request 's discussion 
> and turns out my comment was removed.
> 
> Can somebody tell me why it is that? In my opinion the fact I am not liked by 
> the maintainers, shouldn't result in deleting my on topic comments. Is there 
> some oversight over moderation? Can I somehow repeal the decision? Or at 
> least get some explanation why my comment was removed?  
> 
> [1] - 
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/27#issuecomment-370127296
> 
> Thanks,
> Mariusz
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[OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Nominatim - censorship at github pages

2018-03-30 Thread cm-sanitas 
Funny thing. Same thread but on dev mailing list ended up with censorship as 
well. That is my on topic, non vulgar and not spammy message was rejected 
because "Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.". 
Seriously? I am raising the issue that deleting people's massages because 
you don't agree with them is not ok and someone decides it's good idea 
to play censor as well. My intention was not to show people in power that they 
can do whatever they want in OSM community without facing any conseqences. So I 
am sorry to anyone who wishes to discuss unpopular opinions here. I guess 
instead of making this place better, I made it worse. Sorry.




  Dnia 29 marca 2018 20:45 cm-sani...@wp.pl 
 napisał(a):


   Hi,  This time I have not risen an issue of the way how the 
project is maintained/developed. I did it last time, nobody seemed very 
concerned and for sure not much have change since then. I understand that maybe 
by being nice you can achieve more. But in the end there are some facts and 
refusing to accept them because they weren't presented in a kind way makes 
people a bit  delusional.   But  as I said. I am here because of censorship and 
I wanted to have the decision explained. Someone decided the Nominatim comes 
under OpenStreetMap umbrella, the fork is being deployed under osm domain, 
it's linked around the osm pages. I would have expected it runs in more 
transparent way and it's not run without any over watch.Mariusz   Dnia 
29 marca 2018 16:17 Imre Samu <   pella.s...@gmail.com > napisał(a):  Hi 
Mariusz,   >  I criticized that this important service is being neglected 
and is maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to.   
>...   > Can somebody tell me why it is that?  > ...   imho:    my 
favorite on this topics:   en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org 
Nonviolent_Communication    and according to my experience  - moralistic 
judgments and diagnoses can't help solve the problems.  on the other hand, 
Empathy ( for the project )  can be very powerful.   And If you want to 
understand the other side, read this:     "Why I didn’t fix your bug"   
 magnusmanske.de magnusmanske.de wordpress/?p=518  so "Be nice" and 
give a positive surprise   ( for example add a picture of a cute animal for 
your issue;   example:   github.com github.com pull/36630  )  disclaimer:  - I 
have 1 accepted contributions:   github.com  github.com/openstreetmap/ 
Nominatim/pull/690Regards,  Imre2018-03-26 12:43 GMT+02:00 
cm-sani...@wp.pl    :  Hi,  Some time ago on this 
mailing list I expressed
concern about the way Nominatim is being maintained. In short, I
criticized that this important service is being neglected and is
maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to. My
opinion meet with hostility (which I don't really mind). But what I mind
 is censorship. Lately somebody else noticed [1] that having pull
request opened for 6 years without any explanation why it's not merged
doesn't look good. I contributed to the discussion, explained the
reasoning for having it opened (which was presented to me during last
time I took part in discussion here). Now I look at the pull request 's
discussion and turns out my comment was removed.   Can
 somebody tell me why it is that? In my opinion the fact I am not liked
by the maintainers, shouldn't result in deleting my on topic comments.
Is there some oversight over moderation? Can I somehow repeal the
decision? Or at least get some explanation why my comment was removed?     [1] 
-  github.com github.com openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/ 
27#issuecomment-370127296   Thanks,  Mariusz   __ 
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[OSM-talk] Odp: Re: Nominatim - censorship at github pages

2018-03-29 Thread cm-sanitas 
Hi,  This time I have not risen an issue of the way how the project is 
maintained/developed. I did it last time, nobody seemed very concerned and for 
sure not much have change since then. I understand that maybe by being nice you 
can achieve more. But in the end there are some facts and refusing to accept 
them because they weren't presented in a kind way makes people a bit  
delusional.   But  as I said. I am here because of censorship and I wanted to 
have the decision explained. Someone decided the Nominatim comes under 
OpenStreetMap umbrella, the fork is being deployed under osm domain, it's 
linked around the osm pages. I would have expected it runs in more transparent 
way and it's not run without any over watch.Mariusz   Dnia 29 marca 
2018 16:17 Imre Samu <  pella.s...@gmail.com > napisał(a):  Hi Mariusz,   
>  I criticized that this important service is being neglected and is 
maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to.   >... 
  > Can somebody tell me why it is that?  > ...   imho:    my favorite on 
this topics:   en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org Nonviolent_Communication    
and according to my experience  - moralistic judgments and diagnoses can't 
help solve the problems.  on the other hand, Empathy ( for the project )  can 
be very powerful.   And If you want to understand the other side, read this:    
 "Why I didn’t fix your bug"    magnusmanske.de magnusmanske.de 
wordpress/?p=518  so "Be nice" and give a positive surprise   ( for 
example add a picture of a cute animal for your issue;   example:   github.com 
github.com pull/36630  )  disclaimer:  - I have 1 accepted contributions:   
github.com  github.com/openstreetmap/ Nominatim/pull/690Regards,  Imre
2018-03-26 12:43 GMT+02:00cm-sani...@wp.pl   <   cm-sani...@wp.pl > : 
 Hi,  Some time ago on this mailing list I expressed
concern about the way Nominatim is being maintained. In short, I
criticized that this important service is being neglected and is
maintained in a way which makes it quite impossible to contribute to. My
opinion meet with hostility (which I don't really mind). But what I mind
 is censorship. Lately somebody else noticed [1] that having pull
request opened for 6 years without any explanation why it's not merged
doesn't look good. I contributed to the discussion, explained the
reasoning for having it opened (which was presented to me during last
time I took part in discussion here). Now I look at the pull request 's
discussion and turns out my comment was removed.   Can
 somebody tell me why it is that? In my opinion the fact I am not liked
by the maintainers, shouldn't result in deleting my on topic comments.
Is there some oversight over moderation? Can I somehow repeal the
decision? Or at least get some explanation why my comment was removed?     [1] 
-  github.com github.com openstreetmap/Nominatim/pull/ 
27#issuecomment-370127296   Thanks,  Mariusz   __ 
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