[talk-ph] Osm separate data store (Fwd:Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel)
An interesting tech development in the humanitarian osm team. They call it separate data store (sds) it is a db server that stores additional osm tags separately from the main osm db. This way, you can add additional tags in the osm features which are then stored in a separate db. A josm plugin is also provided so that editing these tags are similar to josm's editing workflow. Some useful applications can be: 1. You are an lgu and wants to collect data from your constituents i.e. names of residents, demographic info, etc. The address info goes to osm, the individual info goes to your sds instance. 2. A real state company. The buildings data goes to osm, specific building info to sds. [Insert more here] -- Forwarded message -- From: Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Date: Apr 13, 2012 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel To: openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org SDS (Separate Data Store) is a great solution for this problem The arhitecture includes one separate server (link to github repositoryhttps://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server) and a JOSM plugin. With the plugin you can add private tags to existing ways and nodes. The tags are stored on your server and are linked to osm objects. The announcement and a short description on josm mailing listhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2012-March/006099.html . Unfortunately, I can't find the plugin in JOSM right now, but that is probably a temporary problem. Janko Mihelić ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Am 13. April 2012 07:14 schrieb Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk: On Fri, April 13, 2012 12:33, Frans Thamura wrote: Option 1: Add all data for all hotels into OSM. Now you have only one database. But the problem is that some data should probably not be entered into OSM. For example, number of rooms, or price of rooms. probably this is offtopic in this thread, but the number of rooms would be an interesting information to roughly tell how important a hotel is. I would like to have this in OSM. Prices on the other hand are also of interest if you look for a hotel, but there is currently no hope to keep this information up to date (and usually there are lots of prices, dependent on the particular room (view/orientation, location, size, ...). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
SDS (Separate Data Store) is a great solution for this problem The arhitecture includes one separate server (link to github repositoryhttps://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server) and a JOSM plugin. With the plugin you can add private tags to existing ways and nodes. The tags are stored on your server and are linked to osm objects. The announcement and a short description on josm mailing listhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2012-March/006099.html . Unfortunately, I can't find the plugin in JOSM right now, but that is probably a temporary problem. Janko Mihelić ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Hi Frans, There is a new application that may be of help: https://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server It allows linking of OSM data to other information. In my training datasets I used rating as an example since that is a subjective idea. -Kate On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: I just thinking Create a web, fill there and save in poi of osm. But, what happen if someone has put there. Still dunno how to communcate if we have data also in my server that 'must' share poi On Apr 13, 2012 10:28 AM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2012 11:58, Frans Thamura wrote: hi all we just develop team to collect all the hotel information in Indonesia choice 1. create a hotel database outside openstreetmap 2. save in openstreet as POI what do u think? and we will create rating also for the hotel... Option 2, then (optionally) cross-reference your database outside of OSM with hotel POIs inside OSM. Alternatively, you can re-generate your database by extracting hotel POIs from the OSM database. For rating you can use the stars=* tag, but it's probably subjective, or not really comparable between countries. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
2012/4/13 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Unfortunately, I can't find the plugin in JOSM right now, but that is probably a temporary problem. Janko Mihelić It's not published in JOSM yet, everything is in this pdf: https://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server/raw/master/doc/sds.pdf Janko Mihelić ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
+1 for # of rooms. It's pretty much the same as # of parking spots in a parking lot, imho. As per prices I think hotel prices are not _that_ different from toll prices (at highways, parking, etc). For hotels, I'd opt for a price range system rather than exact prices, though, due to both the range of prices as well as price changes over time (due to inflation). A bit similar as the hotel ranking star system but classes for eg cheap, inexpensive, mid-range, costly, expensive, shit-expensive? Cheers, -Jaakko http://osm.org/user/jaakkoh Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:10:22 To: Andrew Erringtona.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk Cc: openstreetmaptalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel Am 13. April 2012 07:14 schrieb Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk: On Fri, April 13, 2012 12:33, Frans Thamura wrote: Option 1: Add all data for all hotels into OSM. Now you have only one database. But the problem is that some data should probably not be entered into OSM. For example, number of rooms, or price of rooms. probably this is offtopic in this thread, but the number of rooms would be an interesting information to roughly tell how important a hotel is. I would like to have this in OSM. Prices on the other hand are also of interest if you look for a hotel, but there is currently no hope to keep this information up to date (and usually there are lots of prices, dependent on the particular room (view/orientation, location, size, ...). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
Thx Will discuss internally, and share soon. On Apr 13, 2012 8:19 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hi Frans, There is a new application that may be of help: https://github.com/geofabrik/sds-server It allows linking of OSM data to other information. In my training datasets I used rating as an example since that is a subjective idea. -Kate On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Frans Thamura fr...@meruvian.org wrote: I just thinking Create a web, fill there and save in poi of osm. But, what happen if someone has put there. Still dunno how to communcate if we have data also in my server that 'must' share poi On Apr 13, 2012 10:28 AM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2012 11:58, Frans Thamura wrote: hi all we just develop team to collect all the hotel information in Indonesia choice 1. create a hotel database outside openstreetmap 2. save in openstreet as POI what do u think? and we will create rating also for the hotel... Option 2, then (optionally) cross-reference your database outside of OSM with hotel POIs inside OSM. Alternatively, you can re-generate your database by extracting hotel POIs from the OSM database. For rating you can use the stars=* tag, but it's probably subjective, or not really comparable between countries. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
hi all we just develop team to collect all the hotel information in Indonesia choice 1. create a hotel database outside openstreetmap 2. save in openstreet as POI what do u think? and we will create rating also for the hotel... F ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
On Fri, April 13, 2012 11:58, Frans Thamura wrote: hi all we just develop team to collect all the hotel information in Indonesia choice 1. create a hotel database outside openstreetmap 2. save in openstreet as POI what do u think? and we will create rating also for the hotel... Option 2, then (optionally) cross-reference your database outside of OSM with hotel POIs inside OSM. Alternatively, you can re-generate your database by extracting hotel POIs from the OSM database. For rating you can use the stars=* tag, but it's probably subjective, or not really comparable between countries. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
I just thinking Create a web, fill there and save in poi of osm. But, what happen if someone has put there. Still dunno how to communcate if we have data also in my server that 'must' share poi On Apr 13, 2012 10:28 AM, Andrew Errington a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2012 11:58, Frans Thamura wrote: hi all we just develop team to collect all the hotel information in Indonesia choice 1. create a hotel database outside openstreetmap 2. save in openstreet as POI what do u think? and we will create rating also for the hotel... Option 2, then (optionally) cross-reference your database outside of OSM with hotel POIs inside OSM. Alternatively, you can re-generate your database by extracting hotel POIs from the OSM database. For rating you can use the stars=* tag, but it's probably subjective, or not really comparable between countries. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel
On Fri, April 13, 2012 12:33, Frans Thamura wrote: I just thinking Create a web, fill there and save in poi of osm. But, what happen if someone has put there. Still dunno how to communcate if we have data also in my server that 'must' share poi Well, it's a classic problem. If you have one database, then you are probably happy. But, if this database does not contain everything you want then you need to link to your own database somehow. Now you have two databases. Which one is correct? I think you have two options. Option 1: Add all data for all hotels into OSM. Now you have only one database. But the problem is that some data should probably not be entered into OSM. For example, number of rooms, or price of rooms. Option 2: Link OSM POIs to your own database. In OSM you can store name, address, phone number. In your own database, rating, price, reviews, etc. To link them together you need something unique in OSM. You can't use the node ID because it might change, or a node could be converted to an area. You could use the ref=* field, or webpage (this is probably unique for each hotel), or a combination of name+addr:housenumber. You could also introduce UUIDs, but the proposal for this never really got off the ground. Once you have a link you can write a program that extracts all hotel POIs in Indonesia from OSM and compares them to your own database. Your program should produce 3 lists: 1. Hotels in OSM that are also in your database 2. Hotels in OSM that are not in your database 3. Hotels in your list that are not in OSM List 1 is very boring. You don't need to do anything. Hotels in list 2 must be added to your database. Hotels in list 3 must be added to OSM. Or maybe they are already there, so you just need to make the link. This is a simplified view, but it's the basic technique you need. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
