Re: [OSM-talk] Re. OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-06 Thread Fabian Schmidt

Hi,

Am 05.08.12 schrieb Frederik Ramm:


On 03.08.2012 18:32, Alexander Zipf wrote:

Matthias mentioned in his answer that this is not planned yet, but in
fact I like this idea very much and certainly we would love to welcome
outside contributions.


I think this is crucial for the success of the project.


it's not that crucial if the main focus is the collection of data. As long 
as the data is open and updatable and Tobias, Komяpa et al. accept the 
decision for VRML then this will be more important for the success as a 
repository, whoever will use it.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Re. OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-05 Thread Frederik Ramm

Hi,

On 03.08.2012 18:32, Alexander Zipf wrote:

Matthias mentioned in his answer that this is not planned yet, but in
fact I like this idea very much and certainly we would love to welcome
outside contributions.


I think this is crucial for the success of the project. If this is a 
you can look but you cannot touch project then OSM users will have to 
continue looking for something else, or build something else themselves, 
and the OpenBuildingModels repository will remain an academic prototype 
that dies out sooner or later.


I would like to use this opportunity to draw attention to the OSRM 
routing engine which is also an university project; but the source code 
has been released under an open license, and as anybody can see on 
GitHub and associated forums, the project now has a life of its own, 
with many outside people submitting patches and reporting bugs, even 
adding features. OpenStreetMap hasn't yet got around to actually install 
OSRM on one of their own machines but I'm pretty sure that's on the card 
for the future. Not only is this open approach more useful to the 
community as a whole - it also gives potential contributors the 
certainty that they are contributing to something that lasts, and even 
if the original authors were to turn their backs on the project because 
of lack of funding, or interest, the project would live on. In contrast 
to this, the (much older and in some ways pioneering) OpenRouteService 
run at the Heidelberg Uni - by the same people now presenting 
OpenBuildingModels - has been free to use, but closed source; nobody was 
able to install it, run it, improve it, and now it is collecting dust 
and being outshone by more innovative community approaches. This is sad 
because OpenRouteService once was in a position where many could have 
built something innovative on top of it and fed back ideas to make it a 
solid, community-maintained project; instead, it was bottled up and 
worthless to the developer community who were excluded from inspecting 
and re-using the source code.


OpenStreetMap is getting more and more attention and we're having many 
people working on 3D related stuff; having a repository for 3D data that 
is somehow linked with OSM is something that I have heard different 
people talk about, and sooner or later there is likely going to be more 
or less one suggested approach for anyone who wants to add 3D building 
data.


If both source code and data of the OpenBuildingModels approach are 
accessible to all, then the OpenBuildingModels database might become 
this database and prosper. If not, then something else will prevail, and 
OpenBuildingMaps will be commited to history as a nice academic showcase 
that somehow didn't catch on.


Bye
Frederik

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[OSM-talk] Re. OpenBuildingModels repository

2012-08-03 Thread Alexander Zipf

Hi Tobias,


  * Will yo make the source code for the website freely available, and do
  you plan to accept outside contributions?

Matthias mentioned in his answer that this is not planned yet, but in fact I 
like this idea very much and certainly we would love to welcome outside 
contributions.
At the moment it is just a matter of how much we can do this without running 
into secrurity risks, because internal info of our server structure might be 
released. I need to check this first...
We just haven't thought into this deeply enough how this can be realized 
practically without giving too much control to our servers to the wild.
But if you or anybody else is interested in contributing one might do this also 
on a more bilateral base.



 I'm a bit worried that this might be too strongly tied to the Heidelberg
 OSM-3D globe.


this is only true for the web based 3d visualization (and there is no other 
global 3D OSM service around).
But of course anybody can download the data and use it however he likes. So 
this web based 3D visualization is just an option to see the uploaded data live 
together with the other OSM data.

all the best
alex
http://giscience.uni-hd.de


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