Re: [OSM-talk] Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback
so we should change the way we communicate because employees of large companies dont like transparência? I have sent emails, they only replied once and stopped replying since October 9th 2018. is that a good example of communication with the community? A terça, 6/08/2019, 04:43, Michal Migurski escreveu: > Hi, > > I appreciate the invitation, but this is a complicated list for employees > of a large company to have a discussion! > > Instead, try posting on the diary post where Drishtie announced the > project and FB staff are actively responding: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711 > > The project is also on Github with open issues, if you’ve got something to > report: https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD/issues > > -mike. > > > On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:47 PM, stevea wrote: > > > > Re-threading from the rather messy previous one. > > > > Mike: Thank you for telling us of the #mapwithai_feedback Slack > channel, truly. It is true that some of us choose not to use Slack. > > > > I ask Facebook to meet the OSM community about these issues "on our > turf" by participating here. That would speak volumes, Facebook. This is > a quite an "open" channel, talk. Archives remain open for years (forever?) > and we speak candidly, earnestly and honestly here. If you weren't > watching this thread / dialog before, you are now, Facebook. Please > consider yourself invited here. Matters do seem pressing with an urgency, > although I understand that crafting a thoughtful reply can take some time. > > > > That seems fair, yes, Valor? A neutral, even polite invitation to > here? We'll see. > > > > There are hundreds, maybe thousands who participate here. "Facebook" > (whomever that might be in the guise of an OSM volunteer who subscribes > here) could politely answer this phone call, even quite well. > > > > SteveA > > > > > michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: > sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback
Michal (Mike? I have a brother with the same Polish spelling, and he goes by both names, too!), are you answering as a representative of Facebook or as a contributor to OSM, or both? I believe I know you to be a (well respected, august) contributor to OSM, but if you are saying that you might represent Facebook in this talk channel on this topic / these topics, I do not understand your relationship with Facebook, if any, and appreciate any clarity along those lines you might offer. (You mention being "employees of a large company" and I get that Facebook is exactly that, are you an employee of Facebook?) Or, perhaps you are simply replying to MY reply that "there is a Slack channel about this, discussion is happening there..." and that it would be difficult to have a discussion a la Slack here on talk. If the latter is the case, I agree it would be "messier" (as it is single-threaded and slower / serial instead of parallelized like a Slack channel). Yet, that addresses exactly my point: that a single(?) (Facebook) representative with a well-focused reply / message to address this / these topic(s) can work. More slowly and cumbersome, yes (it is a cumbersome channel, I agree, yet we somehow make it work about as well as can be expected to work). "Complicated" shouldn't scare Facebook away, nor be a reason or excuse to not engage in dialog. That said, I myself am only one person in this endeavor to better dialog, not a point person or spokesperson, by any means! A major thrust behind my invitation was about distinctly avoiding communication methodologies that are proprietary and require agreement with a contract of adhesion (precisely as Facebook and Slack offer and require) and using comm tech that is much, much more open (like talk here) — truer to the spirit of OSM. Thanks for your reply, thanks in advance for any clarification you might further add, SteveA > On Aug 5, 2019, at 8:40 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: > > Hi, > > I appreciate the invitation, but this is a complicated list for employees of > a large company to have a discussion! > > Instead, try posting on the diary post where Drishtie announced the project > and FB staff are actively responding: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711 > > The project is also on Github with open issues, if you’ve got something to > report: https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD/issues > > -mike. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback
Hi, I appreciate the invitation, but this is a complicated list for employees of a large company to have a discussion! Instead, try posting on the diary post where Drishtie announced the project and FB staff are actively responding: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DrishT/diary/368711 The project is also on Github with open issues, if you’ve got something to report: https://github.com/facebookincubator/RapiD/issues -mike. > On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:47 PM, stevea wrote: > > Re-threading from the rather messy previous one. > > Mike: Thank you for telling us of the #mapwithai_feedback Slack channel, > truly. It is true that some of us choose not to use Slack. > > I ask Facebook to meet the OSM community about these issues "on our turf" by > participating here. That would speak volumes, Facebook. This is a quite an > "open" channel, talk. Archives remain open for years (forever?) and we speak > candidly, earnestly and honestly here. If you weren't watching this thread / > dialog before, you are now, Facebook. Please consider yourself invited here. > Matters do seem pressing with an urgency, although I understand that > crafting a thoughtful reply can take some time. > > That seems fair, yes, Valor? A neutral, even polite invitation to here? > We'll see. > > There are hundreds, maybe thousands who participate here. "Facebook" > (whomever that might be in the guise of an OSM volunteer who subscribes here) > could politely answer this phone call, even quite well. > > SteveA > michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sharing, Facebook, mapwithai_feedback
Re-threading from the rather messy previous one. Mike: Thank you for telling us of the #mapwithai_feedback Slack channel, truly. It is true that some of us choose not to use Slack. I ask Facebook to meet the OSM community about these issues "on our turf" by participating here. That would speak volumes, Facebook. This is a quite an "open" channel, talk. Archives remain open for years (forever?) and we speak candidly, earnestly and honestly here. If you weren't watching this thread / dialog before, you are now, Facebook. Please consider yourself invited here. Matters do seem pressing with an urgency, although I understand that crafting a thoughtful reply can take some time. That seems fair, yes, Valor? A neutral, even polite invitation to here? We'll see. There are hundreds, maybe thousands who participate here. "Facebook" (whomever that might be in the guise of an OSM volunteer who subscribes here) could politely answer this phone call, even quite well. SteveA ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
