Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-25 Thread Robert (Jamie) Munro
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
| mount -o loop ./my-large-file my-new-dir  (needs root privs)
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I think this part is likely to be a problem with most budget hosting
services :-)

Robert (Jamie) Munro
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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-24 Thread Kyle Gordon
On Wednesday 23 January 2008 01:43, Bone Killian wrote:


 I have enough space to do this with my current provider (Omnis), but
 they have some weird limitation about total number of files, which I
 keep bumping up against.

Not a solution, but hopefully just an explanation. They're probably trying to 
stave off inode limitations of their chosen filesystem. Filesystems have a 
maximum number of files placed upon them at formatting time, and it's a 
nightmare if they run out of inodes. 

I run a proxy for informationfreeway, and it used to do a Gig a day of 
traffic. The cache would fill up with millions of files, and could easily eat 
up all the available inodes within a couple of weeks. Free space was still in 
the tens of Gigabytes range, but no new files could be created.

Fun for all :-)

Kyle

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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-23 Thread Jeremy Adams
Do they really offer 1.5TB of storage and 15TB of transfer a month for 
$6.95?

-Jeremy

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To: Bone Killian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:11 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations


 On Jan 23, 2008 1:43 AM, Bone Killian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All I'm really looking for is a place to store tiles I render offline.
 I plan to cover all of Pennsylvania, which by my back-of-an-envelop
 calculations would be around 30GB of tiles.

 I have that much space on my personal website, but I keep bumping into
 my hosting provider's limit about maximum number of files, which is
 driving me nuts.  My project isn't so much a non-profit as just my
 personal hobby, which I hope will someday congeal into something that
 helps bicycle commuters plan routes to work / school.

 www.hostmonster.com is what powers the cycle layer. Cheap as chips, no
 problems so far. Using it for what you suggest - simple hosting for
 tons of files.

 Cheers,
 Andy
 



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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-23 Thread Bone Killian
Yes, I just signed up.  To get that price, you have to make a 2 year 
commitment.  I think it was $7.95/month for a 1 year commitment.  I also 
asked them, and they say that they don't have any inode limits like many 
hosing providers.


Thanks for the info, Andy.

Bone



Jeremy Adams wrote:
 Do they really offer 1.5TB of storage and 15TB of transfer a month for 
 $6.95?

 -Jeremy

 - Original Message - From: Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Bone Killian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Milenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]; talk@openstreetmap.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations


 On Jan 23, 2008 1:43 AM, Bone Killian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All I'm really looking for is a place to store tiles I render offline.
 I plan to cover all of Pennsylvania, which by my back-of-an-envelop
 calculations would be around 30GB of tiles.

 I have that much space on my personal website, but I keep bumping into
 my hosting provider's limit about maximum number of files, which is
 driving me nuts.  My project isn't so much a non-profit as just my
 personal hobby, which I hope will someday congeal into something that
 helps bicycle commuters plan routes to work / school.

 www.hostmonster.com is what powers the cycle layer. Cheap as chips, no
 problems so far. Using it for what you suggest - simple hosting for
 tons of files.

 Cheers,
 Andy





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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-23 Thread Lambertus
Jeremy Adams wrote:
 Do they really offer 1.5TB of storage and 15TB of transfer a month for 
 $6.95?
 
Aparently so. There are other companies in the US providing similar 
services. I guess they rely on the fact that most users will never 
really use so much space and bandwidth.

Then there is also the 'catchall' clause where you are only allowed to 
use an hour (or so) CPU time a day. Your site is move to another server 
when you go over the limit and will be closely monitored. If that 
happens often you can/will be removed from their hosting.

Bottom line is: They can set such generous limits because there are only 
very few applications that can really use 1.5 TB space and 15TB 
bandwidth without crossing the daily CPU time limit. The very few that 
do are a selling point to the majority that don't.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-23 Thread Ray Booysen
On Jan 23, 2008 1:56 PM, Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jeremy Adams wrote:
  Do they really offer 1.5TB of storage and 15TB of transfer a month for
  $6.95?
 
 Aparently so. There are other companies in the US providing similar
 services. I guess they rely on the fact that most users will never
 really use so much space and bandwidth.

 Then there is also the 'catchall' clause where you are only allowed to
 use an hour (or so) CPU time a day. Your site is move to another server
 when you go over the limit and will be closely monitored. If that
 happens often you can/will be removed from their hosting.

Hey Jeremey

Do you have a link for this clause?






 Bottom line is: They can set such generous limits because there are only
 very few applications that can really use 1.5 TB space and 15TB
 bandwidth without crossing the daily CPU time limit. The very few that
 do are a selling point to the majority that don't.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-23 Thread Lambertus
Ray Booysen wrote:
 
 On Jan 23, 2008 1:56 PM, Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Jeremy Adams wrote:
   Do they really offer 1.5TB of storage and 15TB of transfer a
 month for
   $6.95?
  
 Aparently so. There are other companies in the US providing similar
 services. I guess they rely on the fact that most users will never
 really use so much space and bandwidth.
 
 Then there is also the 'catchall' clause where you are only allowed to
 use an hour (or so) CPU time a day. Your site is move to another server
 when you go over the limit and will be closely monitored. If that
 happens often you can/will be removed from their hosting.
 
 Hey Jeremey
 
 Do you have a link for this clause?
 
Well, I looked it up for the one such hoster I've been looking at 
before: Dreamhost. They used to have a 'hard' CPU policy but have 
changed that since.

Hoster: http://www.dreamhost.com
Blog about CPU restrictions: 
http://blog.dreamhosters.com/2006/06/01/cpu-minute-restrictions-removed/

So I was a bit too harsh in my last paragraph, but it appears from the 
comments that having a popular WordPress blog is enough to classify you 
as a heavy user... The first paragraph remains though, hosters like 
Dreamhost oversell their bandwidth and diskspace.

Looking at Hostmonter however gives a different picture: They seem to 
have a more hard CPU usage limit where they even shutdown a site 
sometimes: http://helpdesk.hostmonster.com/kb/index.php?x=mod_id=2id=361

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Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations

2008-01-22 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Jan 23, 2008 2:43 AM, Bone Killian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All I'm really looking for is a place to store tiles I render offline.
 I plan to cover all of Pennsylvania, which by my back-of-an-envelop
 calculations would be around 30GB of tiles.

If you can run CGI scripts perhaps you can look into some kind of
on-the-fly rendering. The NL tileserver has a few layers, but it only
takes about 1GB. Remember, most of your diskspace goes into the
highest zoom level, which is precisely the level that renders the
fastest...

Have a nice day,
-- 
Martijn van Oosterhout [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://svana.org/kleptog/

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