Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
On 20.04.2015 at 14:27 Wuzzy wrote: I have created a wiki page about the Standard layer found on www.openstreetmap.org Here it is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer I very much appreciate your work and the work all other contributing to this page. So thank you to all! Really. [With the following statement: please don't get me wrong!] BUT... I don't like the fact that it is a static web page. That's another static page in the Wiki which needs manual work and hence tends to be not up to date. And we have the problem that translations of static pages trend even more to be outdated and inconsistend compared to the original pages. You can see this with the famous map features page and the respective translations. So my suggestion ist: this web page should be directly derived from CartoCSS eg. by a tool [to be developed!] and use e.g. the same symbols/icons that are used by mapnik (and stored in Github). Maybe the CartoCSS needs some additional information that this web page can be generated = this would require to be added there. I know that this is a lot of effort to develop but anything else will tend to be not accurate! Please start thinking about an automatic generation of this page. Just my 2 cents, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
Looking good so far. Is there any plans to add Wiki page links to the areas section? atm it's unclear what key to use in cases such as cemetery, what the exact wording of the value should be. Thanks for the work so far Dave F. On 28/04/2015 12:43, Wuzzy wrote: The wiki page has made good progress so far. Now almost all icons are explained, only a very few icons for rare tags are missing. Also most areas are described, a few exotic area colors are missing, but I don't know how many and which ones. I also added the beginnings of explaining lines, the most important road types are now in. The rest will hopefully follow some day. Someone also added a short section with techincal information. Thanks for that, but keep in mind that this page is intended to be more user-centric, so I move this section to the bottom. Now although the wiki page is still WIP it is at least complete enough to be linked to in the wiki. I already have placed some links throughout the wiki, but I have probably missed some opportunities. So please help me by placing internal links to this wiki page where it is appropriate. Thanks for your time and support so far. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
The wiki page has made good progress so far. Now almost all icons are explained, only a very few icons for rare tags are missing. Also most areas are described, a few exotic area colors are missing, but I don't know how many and which ones. I also added the beginnings of explaining lines, the most important road types are now in. The rest will hopefully follow some day. Someone also added a short section with techincal information. Thanks for that, but keep in mind that this page is intended to be more user-centric, so I move this section to the bottom. Now although the wiki page is still WIP it is at least complete enough to be linked to in the wiki. I already have placed some links throughout the wiki, but I have probably missed some opportunities. So please help me by placing internal links to this wiki page where it is appropriate. Thanks for your time and support so far. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
Nice work so far =) I added the language selector so people can start translating certain things. cheers Christian 2015-04-28 13:43 GMT+02:00 Wuzzy wuz...@mail.ru: The wiki page has made good progress so far. Now almost all icons are explained, only a very few icons for rare tags are missing. Also most areas are described, a few exotic area colors are missing, but I don't know how many and which ones. I also added the beginnings of explaining lines, the most important road types are now in. The rest will hopefully follow some day. Someone also added a short section with techincal information. Thanks for that, but keep in mind that this page is intended to be more user-centric, so I move this section to the bottom. Now although the wiki page is still WIP it is at least complete enough to be linked to in the wiki. I already have placed some links throughout the wiki, but I have probably missed some opportunities. So please help me by placing internal links to this wiki page where it is appropriate. Thanks for your time and support so far. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
Nice work so far, but are the any plans on carto side and on the wiki side to support the taginfo feature projects ? All together we could leave the dumb work for the machines and use our brains for the creative part. On the wiki side I would like to have some extension of the taginfo box or even an additional feature to better show the supporting software on each tag page. Cheers colliar Am 20.04.2015 um 20:10 schrieb nebulon42: Great! I can offer some support regarding the symbols that have been redrawn by me. Why bother with PNG when we can have SVG versions? I will upload all of my icons that are currently used by osm-carto in coloured SVG versions to the wiki and collect them at this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Nebulon42/Icons (By the way it is easy to create a coloured Osmic icon collection like that by looking at https://github.com/nebulon42/osmic/blob/master/tools/export.md.) I will also replace any existing new symbols in your key page with these SVG versions. As I'm not able to replace all other usages of the new symbols (maybe not needed yet?) I could use some help with that. 0xE8F56581.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
On 26 April 2015 at 16:11, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote: Nice work so far, but are the any plans on carto side and on the wiki side to support the taginfo feature projects ? From the carto side not at the moment, see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/961 . It is currently not possible to generate the list of supported tags automatically, and nobody has volunteered to maintain the list manually. -- Matthijs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
Great work so far! I will update icons (if necessary) when new releases go live. Best, nebulon42 Am 2015-04-22 um 14:58 schrieb Wuzzy: Thanks for the icons, I have included most of them in the article now. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
Thanks for the icons, I have included most of them in the article now. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
I have created a wiki page about the Standard layer found on www.openstreetmap.org Here it is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer This wiki page is still a big work in progress. Here are two goals of this wiki page: 1) Concentrate on user's view, not mapper's view 2) Give a brief description of the Standard layer and other information of intererest. 3) Document all the map colors, symbols and lines. Also known as “key”. I know that the homepage has already a key, but it is very incomplete and outdated, most symbols (“points of interest”) are not explained at all. Does anyone want to help with this effort? There are the following challenges: - I want to have the pure, unaltered icons in their original size. Many icons I found in the wiki are pretty outdated. - If possible, the icons should be stored as uniform as possible in the wiki. It looks ugly if all the icons are displayed in different sizes - Documenting all the non-obvious stuff about the layer, such as that private access things are drawn semi-transparent, etc. - Keeping this whole thing up to date You can help by: - Extending the key - Give advice if you know more about the inner workings of the Standard layer - Uploading missing icons into the wiki - Updating outdated icons in the wiki - Adding more general information about this layer -- Wuzzy XMPP: wuz...@jabber.ccc.de E-Mail: wuz...@mail.ru ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
On 20 April 2015 at 13:27, Wuzzy wuz...@mail.ru wrote: I have created a wiki page about the Standard layer found on www.openstreetmap.org Here it is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer Thanks for that! I think Andy was also trying to create an updated map key, but I'm not sure if he's still working on it. He used software he created for that himself: https://github.com/gravitystorm/mapnik-legendary Here are two goals of this wiki page: 1) Concentrate on user's view, not mapper's view 2) Give a brief description of the Standard layer and other information of intererest. 3) Document all the map colors, symbols and lines. Also known as “key”. You might also be interested in https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/README.md and https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md . I think it would be good not to duplicate too much information. There are the following challenges: - I want to have the pure, unaltered icons in their original size. Many icons I found in the wiki are pretty outdated. Everything you need is in https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/tree/master/symbols . - If possible, the icons should be stored as uniform as possible in the wiki. It looks ugly if all the icons are displayed in different sizes I'm not sure what you mean by that, do the icons above help? - Documenting all the non-obvious stuff about the layer, such as that private access things are drawn semi-transparent, etc. Would be useful indeed, I'm afraid you'd need to read the source code for that. - Keeping this whole thing up to date Yes, that would be the largest challenge. Perhaps a pseudo-automated solution, such as legendary, would be the easiest to keep things up to date. You can help by: - Extending the key - Give advice if you know more about the inner workings of the Standard layer - Uploading missing icons into the wiki - Updating outdated icons in the wiki - Adding more general information about this layer I don't really have time to actively contribute to updating the page, but I'm happy to help with any questions you might have (I'm one of the maintainers of the Standard style). -- Matthijs ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
W dniu 20.04.2015 14:27, Wuzzy napisał(a): There are the following challenges: - I want to have the pure, unaltered icons in their original size. Many icons I found in the wiki are pretty outdated. - If possible, the icons should be stored as uniform as possible in the wiki. It looks ugly if all the icons are displayed in different sizes All the source files for icons on the standard layer (and other visual patterns) can be found here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/tree/master/symbols (shields for the different kinds of roads are inside the subfolder shields). The easiest thing to view them locally would be to install Git and clone this repository. However notice, that we're in a process of transition from PNG icons to pixel-aligned SVG icons. While the PNGs are exactly what you see on the map, the SVGs are the source for transforming them into real raster files (PNG probably), but I don't know how to do this manually or where to find them in a transformed version. The man behind PNG-SVG transition is nebulon42 ( https://github.com/nebulon42 ), so you can contact him and ask about details. As far as I know there's no documentation for what gets displayed and you have to look mainly at the MSS files to find out. Hope that helps. -- Piaseczno Miasto Wąskotorowe ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki project: Article about the standard layer, with key
Great! I can offer some support regarding the symbols that have been redrawn by me. Why bother with PNG when we can have SVG versions? I will upload all of my icons that are currently used by osm-carto in coloured SVG versions to the wiki and collect them at this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Nebulon42/Icons (By the way it is easy to create a coloured Osmic icon collection like that by looking at https://github.com/nebulon42/osmic/blob/master/tools/export.md.) I will also replace any existing new symbols in your key page with these SVG versions. As I'm not able to replace all other usages of the new symbols (maybe not needed yet?) I could use some help with that. Best, nebulon42 Am 2015-04-20 um 14:27 schrieb Wuzzy: I have created a wiki page about the Standard layer found on www.openstreetmap.org Here it is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Standard_tile_layer This wiki page is still a big work in progress. Here are two goals of this wiki page: 1) Concentrate on user's view, not mapper's view 2) Give a brief description of the Standard layer and other information of intererest. 3) Document all the map colors, symbols and lines. Also known as “key”. I know that the homepage has already a key, but it is very incomplete and outdated, most symbols (“points of interest”) are not explained at all. Does anyone want to help with this effort? There are the following challenges: - I want to have the pure, unaltered icons in their original size. Many icons I found in the wiki are pretty outdated. - If possible, the icons should be stored as uniform as possible in the wiki. It looks ugly if all the icons are displayed in different sizes - Documenting all the non-obvious stuff about the layer, such as that private access things are drawn semi-transparent, etc. - Keeping this whole thing up to date You can help by: - Extending the key - Give advice if you know more about the inner workings of the Standard layer - Uploading missing icons into the wiki - Updating outdated icons in the wiki - Adding more general information about this layer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
