Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
I have trouble remembering if Gosmore currently supports the maxspeed tag. But if it does then that tag could be 'abused' to give Gosmore a realistic hint about the traveltimes of ferry's. We could set the default for ferry's higher to (say 20km/h) and let the maxspeed represent the time it takes to take the ferry route. Nic Roets wrote: Hi Bernt, The default parameters for gosmore is that a ferry travels at 3 km/h and there is currently no way to override the parameters for specific object (It's not yet perfect !). The 3km/h allows for the time it will you will need to wait for the ferry to arrive, embarking, traveling and disembarking i.e. 3 hours for the ferry ride in question. You may well say I'll plan my day so that I arrive at the scheduled departure time, but then you won't be using gosmore. Selecting shortest reveals that there is some problem with the oneway service roads in that area, because reversing the route or changing to bicycle or foot works. -- The English channel ferry routes looks OK: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=51.127581flon=1.332441tlat=50.966031tlon=1.859529v=footfast=0layer=mapnik If I slightly modify the route, gosmore gives up with no data problem. It does this in order conserve RAM (there may also be a bad hash function in the mix...). (It's not yet perfect !) The Channel Tunnel is tagged * tunnel: yes * railway: rail * name:nl: Kanaaltunnel * created_by: Potlatch 0.10c * maxspeed: 160 * name: Channel Tunnel * tracks: 2 * source: interpolation * layer: -4 Can we tag it with motorcar:yes foot:yes bicycle:yes ? That in itself will not be enough, but the changes to gosmore will eventually follow. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
2008/12/5 Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Bernt, The default parameters for gosmore is that a ferry travels at 3 km/h and there is currently no way to override the parameters for specific object (It's not yet perfect !). The 3km/h allows for the time it will you will need to wait for the ferry to arrive, embarking, traveling and disembarking i.e. 3 hours for the ferry ride in question. You may well say I'll plan my day so that I arrive at the scheduled departure time, but then you won't be using gosmore. Well, this ferry route is a part of a Norwegian primary road (Riksveg) with pretty high traffic (e.g. it's used by commuters). The ferries (the route is served by 2 ferries) are departing every 35 minutes at daytime and the ferry uses 25 minutes (10 minutes left for disembarking embarking). So the above assumption does not hold in this case where the worst case daytime scenario is 65 minutes (although you have to wait until 0500 if you arrive at the terminal after 0045). Again, for other routes in less populated areas, you might end up with a ferry that goes once a day, and then the 3km/h assumption is ay too optimistic. It seems to me that ferry routes need more information for routing purposes, e.g. frequency and transport time, as in this case it is a bad advice to drive around the fjord. Selecting shortest reveals that there is some problem with the oneway service roads in that area, because reversing the route or changing to bicycle or foot works. Ok, I'll look into that. 2008/12/6 Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have trouble remembering if Gosmore currently supports the maxspeed tag. But if it does then that tag could be 'abused' to give Gosmore a realistic hint about the traveltimes of ferry's. We could set the default for ferry's higher to (say 20km/h) and let the maxspeed represent the time it takes to take the ferry route. I think it's a bad idea. Nic Roets wrote: Hi Bernt, The default parameters for gosmore is that a ferry travels at 3 km/h and there is currently no way to override the parameters for specific object (It's not yet perfect !). The 3km/h allows for the time it will you will need to wait for the ferry to arrive, embarking, traveling and disembarking i.e. 3 hours for the ferry ride in question. You may well say I'll plan my day so that I arrive at the scheduled departure time, but then you won't be using gosmore. Selecting shortest reveals that there is some problem with the oneway service roads in that area, because reversing the route or changing to bicycle or foot works. -- The English channel ferry routes looks OK: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=51.127581flon=1.332441tlat=50.966031tlon=1.859529v=footfast=0layer=mapnik If I slightly modify the route, gosmore gives up with no data problem. It does this in order conserve RAM (there may also be a bad hash function in the mix...). (It's not yet perfect !) The Channel Tunnel is tagged * tunnel: yes * railway: rail * name:nl: Kanaaltunnel * created_by: Potlatch 0.10c * maxspeed: 160 * name: Channel Tunnel * tracks: 2 * source: interpolation * layer: -4 Can we tag it with motorcar:yes foot:yes bicycle:yes ? That in itself will not be enough, but the changes to gosmore will eventually follow. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
Is this also a matter of proper tagging? http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=63.449421flon=10.199466tlat=63.50989tlon=10.13994v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Here you get a 4 hour drive instead of 25 minutes with the ferry. 2008/12/5 Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think that the Channel Tunnel won't work because of it being a car/train connection which is not yet supported in Gosmore. The first ferry route that Nic showed [1] is a European ferry route, so the technique works. It's probably a matter of proper tagging for the other routes. [1] http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
Hi Bernt, The default parameters for gosmore is that a ferry travels at 3 km/h and there is currently no way to override the parameters for specific object (It's not yet perfect !). The 3km/h allows for the time it will you will need to wait for the ferry to arrive, embarking, traveling and disembarking i.e. 3 hours for the ferry ride in question. You may well say I'll plan my day so that I arrive at the scheduled departure time, but then you won't be using gosmore. Selecting shortest reveals that there is some problem with the oneway service roads in that area, because reversing the route or changing to bicycle or foot works. -- The English channel ferry routes looks OK: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=51.127581flon=1.332441tlat=50.966031tlon=1.859529v=footfast=0layer=mapnik If I slightly modify the route, gosmore gives up with no data problem. It does this in order conserve RAM (there may also be a bad hash function in the mix...). (It's not yet perfect !) The Channel Tunnel is tagged * tunnel: yes * railway: rail * name:nl: Kanaaltunnel * created_by: Potlatch 0.10c * maxspeed: 160 * name: Channel Tunnel * tracks: 2 * source: interpolation * layer: -4 Can we tag it with motorcar:yes foot:yes bicycle:yes ? That in itself will not be enough, but the changes to gosmore will eventually follow. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
Is this supported by yournavigation routing? Inter-island routing in areas with route:ferry tag cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great. -Yoda | | '-._7' |Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:41 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this supported by yournavigation routing? Inter-island routing in areas with route:ferry tag cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great. -Yoda | | '-._7' |Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
Ahh! Forgot to check that the routing planet file data was a week old. I added a new route=ferry a couple of days ago. But it works on other places: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=9.465166flon=123.223267tlat=9.420631tlon=123.316479v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik great work by the way. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:41 AM, maning sambale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this supported by yournavigation routing? Inter-island routing in areas with route:ferry tag cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great. -Yoda | | '-._7' |Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
