Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
+1 @lizbarry http://twitter.com/lizbarry On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Lester Caine wrote: John Firebaugh wrote: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com mailto:g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address I believe that persisting the location and zoom in the URL hash will address both of these concerns. Please try it out: http://hash.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ That works reasonably well for me I'm used to seeing that sort of info from the hover over links on the bottom of the browser, so having it stable is probably an improvement. +1. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On 2013-07-29 01:47, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited Click the View tab. /stuck_record Until there is a manual or a change log you will have to keep this stuck record. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Michal Migurski wrote: Provable evidence that the view tab is not sufficiently informing visitors of its functionality? Having a button that says “link” is a great clue that there is an option to link vs. hunting around. Perhaps, but this is definitely a pro feature. There _is_ a button that says link (or rather, an icon that indicates link). What a small number of existing OSM pro users are asking for is, additionally, a way of retaining the single-click behaviour rather than having to open the panel, and the View tab does that. Surfacing everything that pro users might want isn't a good way of building a design that appeals to potential newcomers. But if I say we need more than one map browser, just as we have more than one editor again, I really will start to sound like a stuck record... cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/comments-on-new-map-widget-on-main-page-tp5771779p5771810.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On Jul 29, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Michal Migurski wrote: Provable evidence that the view tab is not sufficiently informing visitors of its functionality? Having a button that says “link” is a great clue that there is an option to link vs. hunting around. Perhaps, but this is definitely a pro feature. There _is_ a button that says link (or rather, an icon that indicates link). How do we know that? Since we perform no systematic user testing in advance of these changes (http://teczno.com/s/92x), we're not really sure what a pro user is. I bet Google does user testing, though, and they've chosen a little chain-link icon for theirs and put it in a prominent place. An image search for link icon unscientifically supports their choice: http://www.google.com/search?q=link+icontbm=isch Ours is the mystery iOS swoosh-box which on my phone browser means share this page to another service (don't get me started on Flickr's adoption of this icon). Sharing is not totally unrelated, but the image is borrowed from a pocket device where my parasympathetic nervous system does most of the remembering. What a small number of existing OSM pro users are asking for is, additionally, a way of retaining the single-click behaviour rather than having to open the panel, and the View tab does that. Surfacing everything that pro users might want isn't a good way of building a design that appeals to potential newcomers. This question came up once during the SF editathon as well, among a group of mixed Pro and not-Pro users, and when I explained that the view tab allows for linking to the view, the consensus I heard was that a tab is a weird place to put it (I've already chosen that tab, why would I click it again?). I do want to underscore the point that we lack any systematic way of understanding who our users actually are, or a stated strategy for deciding who we want them to be. In my design experience, pro is often used as a short-hand for I don't know where to put that thing, let's call it a pro feature so we can hide it someplace so I'm pushing a little to make sure we know why we're using the word here. -mike. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Greg Troxel wrote: add some indication of zoom level. I'd be happy with a z15 box between + and -. I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful. The other annoying thing is this incessant drive to make everything 'monochrome' ... I've just had to create 'colourstrap' to get full colour icons back on a project that has decided that 'bootstrap' is the bees knees. Those black icons do grate next to a nice full colour map :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful. Lester-- FWIW, I've created a github issue that's pretty closely related to this: https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1651 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: add some indication of zoom level. I'd be happy with a z15 box between + and -. I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful. The other annoying thing is this incessant drive to make everything 'monochrome' ... I've just had to create 'colourstrap' to get full colour icons back on a project that has decided that 'bootstrap' is the bees knees. Those black icons do grate next to a nice full colour map :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Since we perform no systematic user testing in advance of these changes ( http://teczno.com/s/92x), we're not really sure what a pro user is. Given that this is a continual point for years, I would implore someone who has the resources to just do it, so we can stop using it as an immovable point of argument. Tom On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: add some indication of zoom level. I'd be happy with a z15 box between + and -. I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful. The other annoying thing is this incessant drive to make everything 'monochrome' ... I've just had to create 'colourstrap' to get full colour icons back on a project that has decided that 'bootstrap' is the bees knees. Those black icons do grate next to a nice full colour map :( -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Kathleen Danielson wrote: I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful. Lester-- FWIW, I've created a github issue that's pretty closely related to this: https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1651 Somewhat of kilter but that would be another useful to have feature. My mapserver based stuff has an overview view in which one can see where you are and quickly navigate to another area easily. I'm talking about the general viewing on the main map while your issue is targeted to the editors? The point I was trying to make is the fact that when one is supplied a link one often does not know where in the world it is, especially the encrypted ones. I asked a number of times in the past for some description on where we have been parachuted into, and this new links tab seems the obvious place for at least a 'Bolivia, South America' or the like? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Ah-- sorry. Misunderstood :) On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Kathleen Danielson wrote: I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful. Lester-- FWIW, I've created a github issue that's pretty closely related to this: https://github.com/systemed/**iD/issues/1651https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1651 Somewhat of kilter but that would be another useful to have feature. My mapserver based stuff has an overview view in which one can see where you are and quickly navigate to another area easily. I'm talking about the general viewing on the main map while your issue is targeted to the editors? The point I was trying to make is the fact that when one is supplied a link one often does not know where in the world it is, especially the encrypted ones. I asked a number of times in the past for some description on where we have been parachuted into, and this new links tab seems the obvious place for at least a 'Bolivia, South America' or the like? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=**contacthttp://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.**ukhttp://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: The point I was trying to make is the fact that when one is supplied a link one often does not know where in the world it is, especially the encrypted ones. I asked a number of times in the past for some description on where we have been parachuted into You can already get a textual description like this via the Where am I? link below the search box. There was a recent discussion about what might be done to improve this and the other geolocation features of OSM: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/373 -- AJ Ashton ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
AJ Ashton wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: The point I was trying to make is the fact that when one is supplied a link one often does not know where in the world it is, especially the encrypted ones. I asked a number of times in the past for some description on where we have been parachuted into You can already get a textual description like this via the Where am I? link below the search box. There was a recent discussion about what might be done to improve this and the other geolocation features of OSM: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/373 Well I never ... How long has that been there? http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ down at the moment? I'm only seeing short a GeoNames result. The comments on that link certainly points out the poor title. Even if I had noticed it, I doubt I would have twigged it was 'Where am I looking at?' Curious ... I'm not getting anything at the moment. Just a blank 'tab'. But this should work the same as the pop-ins on the other side? Moving the centre of the map is irritating :( Actually if the 'results' from that just appeared in the share pop-out? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Well I never ... How long has that been there? As long as I can remember. Checked the logs out of curiosity - the feature just had its 6th birthday on Friday :) https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commit/d2bd78627e3903e990ddb28aebb39653ebb22fcd ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Woops, can't count. Its 6th birthday is in a month. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM, AJ Ashton aj.ash...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote: Well I never ... How long has that been there? As long as I can remember. Checked the logs out of curiosity - the feature just had its 6th birthday on Friday :) https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/commit/d2bd78627e3903e990ddb28aebb39653ebb22fcd -- AJ Ashton ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address I believe that persisting the location and zoom in the URL hash will address both of these concerns. Please try it out: http://hash.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
John Firebaugh wrote: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com mailto:g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address I believe that persisting the location and zoom in the URL hash will address both of these concerns. Please try it out: http://hash.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ That works reasonably well for me I'm used to seeing that sort of info from the hover over links on the bottom of the browser, so having it stable is probably an improvement. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
John Firebaugh john.fireba...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address I believe that persisting the location and zoom in the URL hash will address both of these concerns. Please try it out: http://hash.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ Yes, now reload keeps the view, and I see the URL changing. I'd like something bigger and part of the navbar to show the zoom, but reading the URL is adequate. Thanks - this is a big improvement. pgpLs39GuUeRu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On Jul 29, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Lester Caine wrote: John Firebaugh wrote: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com mailto:g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address I believe that persisting the location and zoom in the URL hash will address both of these concerns. Please try it out: http://hash.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ That works reasonably well for me I'm used to seeing that sort of info from the hover over links on the bottom of the browser, so having it stable is probably an improvement. +1. michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/cahttp://mike.teczno.com/contact.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited. (Moving the map or zooming in/out and hitting reload changes the view to the last URL gone to, not where you just were.) add some indication of zoom level. I'd be happy with a z15 box between + and -. pgp0dfUbMf1Aj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
It's not exactly in the way you ask, but both will be fixed if/when https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/378 is implemented. On 07/29/2013 01:26 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I'd like to see two things different; both of these are regressions from the old way and I think easy to address add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited. (Moving the map or zooming in/out and hitting reload changes the view to the last URL gone to, not where you just were.) add some indication of zoom level. I'd be happy with a z15 box between + and -. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
Greg Troxel wrote: add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited Click the View tab. /stuck_record cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/comments-on-new-map-widget-on-main-page-tp5771779p5771783.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page
On Jul 28, 2013, at 4:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Greg Troxel wrote: add the shortlink link in the lower right, so you can more easily use it to get to a URL for the current view, so you can shift-reload to see what yfou just edited Click the View tab. /stuck_record Provable evidence that the view tab is not sufficiently informing visitors of its functionality? Having a button that says “link” is a great clue that there is an option to link vs. hunting around. -mike. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
