Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
My setup is a plain one, no frills, nothing special, just open to every site that wants to take part to this experiment of tracking accross OSM related sites to understand how visitors move between all them and finally register/contribute or not... but for this the main OSM site should also take part to the experiment. Although current tracking is not anonymous (full IP is stored), anonymized data can be queried for studies thru piwik's API. Adding another site is quite simple: - give me the URL of the site, - I'll send you back the HTML code to include in your pages 2013/1/25 Jeff Meyer j...@gwhat.org Christian - My apologies! What would it take to add other sites? What other sites did you have in mind? I take it www.openstreetmap.org is out of the question, as we're already running one for that. Or, is yours set up in a way that's more generic / anonymous than the core piwik? - Jeff On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.frwrote: It is also sad not to get any request to add sites to our piwik instance at OSM-FR to start gathering global statistics as I offered to do almost 2 weeks ago... 2013/1/24 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com It is sad we are running software whose results no one can see... 2013/1/10 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr 2013/1/10 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 10/01/13 10:56, Christian Quest wrote: One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. Somebody has to manage adding them all, and allocating site ID values for them and keeping those up to date as sites come and go. Not to mention that if sites want to use things like goals and custom variables then those also have to be configured by somebody. All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling for such an endeavour. Ok... where's the problem ? No hardware to deal with that ? We (OSM-FR) have some and the admins to take of it... and if it looks useful to collect these global data, why not try to setup something ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
It is sad we are running software whose results no one can see... 2013/1/10 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr 2013/1/10 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 10/01/13 10:56, Christian Quest wrote: One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. Somebody has to manage adding them all, and allocating site ID values for them and keeping those up to date as sites come and go. Not to mention that if sites want to use things like goals and custom variables then those also have to be configured by somebody. All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling for such an endeavour. Ok... where's the problem ? No hardware to deal with that ? We (OSM-FR) have some and the admins to take of it... and if it looks useful to collect these global data, why not try to setup something ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
It is also sad not to get any request to add sites to our piwik instance at OSM-FR to start gathering global statistics as I offered to do almost 2 weeks ago... 2013/1/24 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com It is sad we are running software whose results no one can see... 2013/1/10 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr 2013/1/10 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 10/01/13 10:56, Christian Quest wrote: One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. Somebody has to manage adding them all, and allocating site ID values for them and keeping those up to date as sites come and go. Not to mention that if sites want to use things like goals and custom variables then those also have to be configured by somebody. All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling for such an endeavour. Ok... where's the problem ? No hardware to deal with that ? We (OSM-FR) have some and the admins to take of it... and if it looks useful to collect these global data, why not try to setup something ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
I actually brought this up again on the dev mailing list just the other day: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2013-January/026467.html I very much think it would be a big benefit to see some more stats - it'll enable me to better focus my time. Regards, Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
Christian - My apologies! What would it take to add other sites? What other sites did you have in mind? I take it www.openstreetmap.org is out of the question, as we're already running one for that. Or, is yours set up in a way that's more generic / anonymous than the core piwik? - Jeff On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.frwrote: It is also sad not to get any request to add sites to our piwik instance at OSM-FR to start gathering global statistics as I offered to do almost 2 weeks ago... 2013/1/24 Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com It is sad we are running software whose results no one can see... 2013/1/10 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr 2013/1/10 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 10/01/13 10:56, Christian Quest wrote: One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. Somebody has to manage adding them all, and allocating site ID values for them and keeping those up to date as sites come and go. Not to mention that if sites want to use things like goals and custom variables then those also have to be configured by somebody. All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling for such an endeavour. Ok... where's the problem ? No hardware to deal with that ? We (OSM-FR) have some and the admins to take of it... and if it looks useful to collect these global data, why not try to setup something ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquesthttp://openstreetmap.fr/u/christian-quest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer osm: Historical OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM / my OSM user page http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer t: @GWHAThistory https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory f: GWHAThistory https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
For those unfamiliar with piwik, by default it provides a anonymized view, like this one: https://openstreetmap.fr/piwik/ With proper login, you have access to much more details (like IP address). All data are stored in a mysql database and allow deeper analysis. Connecting piwik between all our different points of entrance could be useful to know who came first on openstreetmap.fr before going to openstreetmap.org (or the reverse). Why not a global piwik instance for all the OSM galaxy to have a better overall view ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
On 10/01/13 10:20, Christian Quest wrote: For those unfamiliar with piwik, by default it provides a anonymized view, like this one: https://openstreetmap.fr/piwik/ Hmm. They don't publicise that very well... The only anonymisation option I was aware of was a plugin to remove the last byte of the IP and I didn't think that was good enough. How do you configure the full anonymisation like that? Is that just the default if you allow the anonymous user to have access? Connecting piwik between all our different points of entrance could be useful to know who came first on openstreetmap.fr before going to openstreetmap.org (or the reverse). Why not a global piwik instance for all the OSM galaxy to have a better overall view ? I think that would be a nightmare to manage. It was certainly the intention to add more of the core sites to bring in all the many country specific sites that are run by third parties would be a massive task I think. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
2013/1/10 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 10/01/13 10:20, Christian Quest wrote: For those unfamiliar with piwik, by default it provides a anonymized view, like this one: https://openstreetmap.fr/piwik/ Hmm. They don't publicise that very well... The only anonymisation option I was aware of was a plugin to remove the last byte of the IP and I didn't think that was good enough. How do you configure the full anonymisation like that? Is that just the default if you allow the anonymous user to have access? Yes, that's the default setup. Connecting piwik between all our different points of entrance could be useful to know who came first on openstreetmap.fr before going to openstreetmap.org (or the reverse). Why not a global piwik instance for all the OSM galaxy to have a better overall view ? I think that would be a nightmare to manage. It was certainly the intention to add more of the core sites to bring in all the many country specific sites that are run by third parties would be a massive task I think. It looks too simple to me... One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
On 10/01/13 10:56, Christian Quest wrote: One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. Somebody has to manage adding them all, and allocating site ID values for them and keeping those up to date as sites come and go. Not to mention that if sites want to use things like goals and custom variables then those also have to be configured by somebody. All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling for such an endeavour. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
2013/1/10 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: On 10/01/13 10:56, Christian Quest wrote: One single piwik instance, and all sites who wants to participate to the study just embed the same global piwik.js on their site. All analytics are done by this single global piwik db. ... maybe I miss something, but that's a basic feature I expect from piwik: gather data from more than one single site. Somebody has to manage adding them all, and allocating site ID values for them and keeping those up to date as sites come and go. Not to mention that if sites want to use things like goals and custom variables then those also have to be configured by somebody. All of which is before we even think about questions of hardware scaling for such an endeavour. Ok... where's the problem ? No hardware to deal with that ? We (OSM-FR) have some and the admins to take of it... and if it looks useful to collect these global data, why not try to setup something ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
Is it active? What reports does it generate? Any way to see what it's doing? Thanks! Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
On 09/01/13 19:53, Jeff Meyer wrote: Is it active? Yes. What reports does it generate? Everything you see at http://piwik.org/ basically. Any way to see what it's doing? Not really. There are data protection issues that make it impossible to make access generally available. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
Tom - thanks for the reply. Good to know that it's there. As it is there, how are the reports and data currently used? I take it there's no way to anonymize? (I realize there are plenty of cases where anonymized datasets have been reversed to id individuals.) Thanks, Jeff On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 09/01/13 19:53, Jeff Meyer wrote: Is it active? Yes. What reports does it generate? Everything you see at http://piwik.org/ basically. Any way to see what it's doing? Not really. There are data protection issues that make it impossible to make access generally available. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
On 09/01/13 21:47, Jeff Meyer wrote: Good to know that it's there. As it is there, how are the reports and data currently used? Well a few people have access and will sometimes have a look if somebody asks above what browsers people are using and such like. There is some effort to do some conversion tracking but that's not working very well yet. I take it there's no way to anonymize? (I realize there are plenty of cases where anonymized datasets have been reversed to id individuals.) The statistical reports are fine - the problem is that the web interface includes a live feed that literally shows you IP addresses and what URLs they are hitting. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] piwik.openstreetmap.org - what is it?
Is there any way to pull out the reports that are fine into a document that can be periodically released? Rob ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
