Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
On 12/2/23 04:41, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: obvious typos: `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` different form than standard surface value: `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` Polish name to English one: `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` English vs very close to English but actually different: `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` Edit would be automatic, Yes, please do it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
sent from a phone > On 11 Feb 2023, at 18:49, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > Nevertheless, as result > map data quality will improve. agreed for these cases, the problem is always when people become overeager to fix all kinds of values thereby “normalizing” what should not ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
On 11.02.23 18:41 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit I wholeheartedly support this proposal, thank you for your work! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
On Feb 11, 2023, at 9:41 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: > ... To ma dla mnie sens, Mateusz. (Makes sense to me). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
sounds good to me On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 1:17 PM john whelan wrote: > Sounds wonderful. > > John > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:49 Mateusz Konieczny via talk < > talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > >> I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: >> >> obvious typos: >> >> `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` >> `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` >> `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` >> >> different form than standard surface value: >> >> `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` >> `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` >> >> Polish name to English one: >> >> `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` >> `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` >> `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` >> >> English vs very close to English but actually different: >> >> `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` >> >> Edit would be automatic, rerun from time to time, split into small >> changeset by geographic areas and run by >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny%20-%20bot%20account/history%20bot%20account >> >> Why it is useful? It helps newbies to avoid becoming confused. It >> protects against such values becoming established. Without drudgery >> that would be required from the manual cleanup. It also makes easier to >> add missing surface= values >> >> Why automatic edit? I have a massive queue (in thousands and tens of >> thousands) of automatically detectable issues which are not reported by >> mainstream validators, require fixes and fix requires review or >> complete manual cleanup. >> >> There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values completely useless. >> >> This values here do NOT require manual overview. If this cases will >> turn out to be an useful signal of invalid editing than I will remain >> reviewing nearby areas where bot edited. >> >> And I fixed some manually and they were not a great sign of a problematic >> data. >> >> Yes, bot edit WILL cause objects to be edited. Nevertheless, as result >> map data quality will improve. >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
Sounds wonderful. John On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 12:49 Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: > > obvious typos: > > `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` > > different form than standard surface value: > > `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` > `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` > > Polish name to English one: > > `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` > `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` > > English vs very close to English but actually different: > > `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` > > Edit would be automatic, rerun from time to time, split into small > changeset by geographic areas and run by > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny%20-%20bot%20account/history%20bot%20account > > Why it is useful? It helps newbies to avoid becoming confused. It > protects against such values becoming established. Without drudgery > that would be required from the manual cleanup. It also makes easier to > add missing surface= values > > Why automatic edit? I have a massive queue (in thousands and tens of > thousands) of automatically detectable issues which are not reported by > mainstream validators, require fixes and fix requires review or > complete manual cleanup. > > There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values completely useless. > > This values here do NOT require manual overview. If this cases will > turn out to be an useful signal of invalid editing than I will remain > reviewing nearby areas where bot edited. > > And I fixed some manually and they were not a great sign of a problematic > data. > > Yes, bot edit WILL cause objects to be edited. Nevertheless, as result > map data quality will improve. > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
I agree with the proposed edits. On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:58 PM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Errata: paragraph 4 from the bottom should be > > "There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values clearly > replaceable by better matches." > > sorry, I copied wrong bot edit justification template. > > Feb 11, 2023, 18:48 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > > I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: > > obvious typos: > > `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` > > different form than standard surface value: > > `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` > `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` > > Polish name to English one: > > `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` > `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` > > English vs very close to English but actually different: > > `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` > > Edit would be automatic, rerun from time to time, split into small > changeset by geographic areas and run by > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny%20-%20bot%20account/history%20bot%20account > > Why it is useful? It helps newbies to avoid becoming confused. It > protects against such values becoming established. Without drudgery > that would be required from the manual cleanup. It also makes easier to > add missing surface= values > > Why automatic edit? I have a massive queue (in thousands and tens of > thousands) of automatically detectable issues which are not reported by > mainstream validators, require fixes and fix requires review or > complete manual cleanup. > > There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values completely useless. > > This values here do NOT require manual overview. If this cases will > turn out to be an useful signal of invalid editing than I will remain > reviewing nearby areas where bot edited. > > And I fixed some manually and they were not a great sign of a problematic > data. > > Yes, bot edit WILL cause objects to be edited. Nevertheless, as result > map data quality will improve. > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
Errata: paragraph 4 from the bottom should be "There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values clearly replaceable by better matches." sorry, I copied wrong bot edit justification template. Feb 11, 2023, 18:48 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: > > obvious typos: > > `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` > > different form than standard surface value: > > `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` > `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` > > Polish name to English one: > > `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` > `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` > `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` > > English vs very close to English but actually different: > > `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` > > Edit would be automatic, rerun from time to time, split into small > changeset by geographic areas and run by > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny%20-%20bot%20account/history%20bot%20account > > Why it is useful? It helps newbies to avoid becoming confused. It > protects against such values becoming established. Without drudgery > that would be required from the manual cleanup. It also makes easier to > add missing surface= values > > Why automatic edit? I have a massive queue (in thousands and tens of > thousands) of automatically detectable issues which are not reported by > mainstream validators, require fixes and fix requires review or > complete manual cleanup. > > There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values completely useless. > > This values here do NOT require manual overview. If this cases will > turn out to be an useful signal of invalid editing than I will remain > reviewing nearby areas where bot edited. > > And I fixed some manually and they were not a great sign of a problematic > data. > > Yes, bot edit WILL cause objects to be edited. Nevertheless, as result > map data quality will improve. > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning
I propose to replace following surface tags by doing an automated edit: obvious typos: `surface=paving stones` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=Paving_stones` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=paving_stones:` → `surface=paving_stones` different form than standard surface value: `surface=wooden` → `surface=wood` `surface=cobblestones` → `surface=cobblestone` Polish name to English one: `surface=żwirowa` → `surface=gravel` `surface=kostka` → `surface=paving_stones` `surface=gruntowa` → `surface=unpaved` English vs very close to English but actually different: `surface=asfalt` → `surface=asphalt` Edit would be automatic, rerun from time to time, split into small changeset by geographic areas and run by https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny%20-%20bot%20account/history%20bot%20account Why it is useful? It helps newbies to avoid becoming confused. It protects against such values becoming established. Without drudgery that would be required from the manual cleanup. It also makes easier to add missing surface= values Why automatic edit? I have a massive queue (in thousands and tens of thousands) of automatically detectable issues which are not reported by mainstream validators, require fixes and fix requires review or complete manual cleanup. There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values completely useless. This values here do NOT require manual overview. If this cases will turn out to be an useful signal of invalid editing than I will remain reviewing nearby areas where bot edited. And I fixed some manually and they were not a great sign of a problematic data. Yes, bot edit WILL cause objects to be edited. Nevertheless, as result map data quality will improve. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
