Re: [OSM-talk] sac_scale calibration?
These ones, hiking or mountain-hiking? http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810112943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810929816/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810080401/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810114907/ These paths seem to pertain to mountain_hiking... Hiking, for me, is like a highway for pedestrians, quite large (but not enough for a track) and more or less flat or nearly flat. Mountain_hiking represent a normal path where you must have hiking shoes and is a normal and easy mountain path, also with differences in altitude. Demanding_mountain_hiking is when you start to use your hands only because the terrain is too steep, but you don't climb. This is the way I'm tagging a lot of mountain paths in the Italian Dolomites... Regards Alberto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] sac_scale calibration?
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Alberto Riva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Demanding_mountain_hiking is when you start to use your hands only because the terrain is too steep, but you don't climb. otherwise known as... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrambling ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] sac_scale calibration?
Demanding_mountain_hiking is when you start to use your hands only because the terrain is too steep, but you don't climb. otherwise known as... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrambling yes, but is easy scrambling moderate scrambling (UIAA class II) should be probably tagged with alpine_hiking. The big problem is comparing the different national scales. For me, in the Italian Dolomites, it is easy to apply the sac_scale because reflects more or less the overall difficulties of all the paths (except for Via Ferrata / Klettersteig that is currently lacking a tag). Regards Alberto ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] sac_scale calibration?
What I find a little difficult, is the border between hiking, mountain_hiking and demanding_mountain_hiking. It's always difficult to tag, not just hiking routes :) These ones, hiking or mountain-hiking? http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810112943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810929816/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810080401/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810114907/ First, I would tag the whole route with the same tag. For me these routes looks like mountian-hiking. Because i would wear hiking shoes Regards, Raphael ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] sac_scale calibration?
As an aspiring mountain-hiking-OSMer, I've been trying to get the hang of sac_scale. I know that the typical terrain and what's considered difficult can vary *a lot* depending, on the typical terrain around. Here in Bergen, Norway, we have a lot of mountains. Some steep, and some not-so-steep. But even the ones reachable from the city center can be demanding enough if you have no mountain-experience whatsoever. For reference, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Approved_features/Hiking is the approved features... What I find a little difficult, is the border between hiking, mountain_hiking and demanding_mountain_hiking. I guess the boundary to the alpine classes are more defined - that's when it starts to become impossible to get upwards and not fall down unless you also use your hands, in my book :) I have a few pictures, unfortunately they turned out a little difficult to see the steepness of them. Too few references. But, http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810086485/ is taken downwards. About 3-4 meters to the bottom, so I guess you'd hardly die if you slid and fell, but you could break a leg. But still, the path is rocky and you have to be careful, and some people would definitely need to use their hands for balance - as stated on the page. But there's no ropes etc. These ones, hiking or mountain-hiking? http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810112943/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810929816/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810080401/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/2810114907/ And would people tag only the difficult stretches as the most difficult classification, or would it be ok to do whole stretches (i.e. between destinations/junctions of paths) as single classification. I guess that a lot of this *is* actually up to me, but I'm a strong supporter of actually agreeing on this as long as we are actually editing the same map, sort of :) All input and opinions (and the rest in the series: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vegard_engen/tags/osm/) is welcome :) -- - Vegard Engen, member of the first RFC1149 implementation team. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
