Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 189, Issue 24

[Simon Poole]

Hi Allan

The question is which WG would that be? Sad to say but I don't believe
there is any group that has a more holistic view of the software side of
things and is actually willing to go through the gyrations of producing
a budget and then spending the money (just see the osmosis near
debacle), maybe way back it was the EWG, but that was more than a decade
ago.

Back to the specifics: the askbot fork of QSQA, the software running on
the help site, is not hyperactive but not totally dead either and I
should note that the software stack it uses isn't particularly exotic
either. There is no reason to believe that we couldn't migrate to that
and get some support from the developer (for money obviously). It would
make a lot more sense than any other alternative outside of shutting the
whole thing down (which would be the OSM way).

Simon

Am 20.05.2020 um 23:17 schrieb Allan Mustard:
>
> Simon, et al, if money is required from the OSMF, could not one of the
> working groups submit a funding request for migration to a new
> platform like StackExchange?  Microgrant is probably not appropriate
> for something like this.  Just my two cents' worth.
>
> apm
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>> May 20, 2020, 09:28 by l...@tobias-wrede.de:
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>>> Can we involve any of the OSM organizations to find, maybe pay, someone? 
>>>
>> The question is about the plan. Life support for this specific platform?
>>
>> It sounds like an endless pit that can consume plenty of resources,
>> but maybe I am too pessimistic.
>>
>> Migrate to Stack Exchange? Even assuming that this company will agree
>> it has plenty of potential issues.
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>> On 20/05/2020 14:48, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
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>>> Migrate to Stack Exchange? Even assuming that this company will agree
>>> it has plenty of potential issues.
>> They have a public process for proposing new sites:
>>
>>https://area51.stackexchange.com/faq
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>> So long as enough people are interested it shouldn't be an issue. I've
>> been through the process with another site.
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>> Tom
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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 189, Issue 24

[Mateusz Konieczny via talk]

May 20, 2020, 23:57 by talk@openstreetmap.org:

> I don't believe you can migrate to StackExchange - we would have to
> start over if we went that route.
>
Or copy especially useful content manually? Even in case of conflicting licences
authors of given answer would be able to reuse them.

> You definitely can't pay for a StackExhange site - they specifically
> say that they no longer offer that.
>
https://stackoverflow.com/teams/pricing is AFAIK private StackExchange site?
(though pricing model makes it complete mismatch anyway, it is not
intended as a public site)

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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 189, Issue 24

[Tom Hughes via talk]

I don't believe you can migrate to StackExchange - we would have to
start over if we went that route.

You definitely can't pay for a StackExhange site - they specifically
say that they no longer offer that.

Tom

On 20/05/2020 22:17, Allan Mustard wrote:
Simon, et al, if money is required from the OSMF, could not one of the 
working groups submit a funding request for migration to a new platform 
like StackExchange?  Microgrant is probably not appropriate for 
something like this.  Just my two cents' worth.


apm

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying
   (Mateusz Konieczny)
2. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Tom Hughes)
3. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Lester Caine)
4. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Simon Poole)
5. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Tobias Wrede)
6. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Frederik Ramm)
7. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Tobias Wrede)
8. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (James)


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May 20, 2020, 09:28 byl...@tobias-wrede.de:


Can we involve any of the OSM organizations to find, maybe pay, someone?


The question is about the plan. Life support for this specific platform?

It sounds like an endless pit that can consume plenty of resources,
but maybe I am too pessimistic.

Migrate to Stack Exchange? Even assuming that this company will agree
it has plenty of potential issues.

Wait for someone to volunteer and fix? It would be nice, but not sure what
are chances of that.
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On 20/05/2020 14:48, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:



Migrate to Stack Exchange? Even assuming that this company will agree
it has plenty of potential issues.

They have a public process for proposing new sites:

https://area51.stackexchange.com/faq

So long as enough people are interested it shouldn't be an issue. I've
been through the process with another site.

Tom



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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 189, Issue 24

[Allan Mustard]

Simon, et al, if money is required from the OSMF, could not one of the
working groups submit a funding request for migration to a new platform
like StackExchange?  Microgrant is probably not appropriate for
something like this.  Just my two cents' worth.

apm

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>1. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying
>   (Mateusz Konieczny)
>2. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Tom Hughes)
>3. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Lester Caine)
>4. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Simon Poole)
>5. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Tobias Wrede)
>6. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Frederik Ramm)
>7. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (Tobias Wrede)
>8. Re: our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying (James)
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> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 15:48:27 +0200 (CEST)
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> To: Tobias Wrede 
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> May 20, 2020, 09:28 by l...@tobias-wrede.de:
>
>> Can we involve any of the OSM organizations to find, maybe pay, someone? 
>>
> The question is about the plan. Life support for this specific platform?
>
> It sounds like an endless pit that can consume plenty of resources,
> but maybe I am too pessimistic.
>
> Migrate to Stack Exchange? Even assuming that this company will agree
> it has plenty of potential issues.
>
> Wait for someone to volunteer and fix? It would be nice, but not sure what
> are chances of that.
> -- next part --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 15:12:58 +0100
> From: Tom Hughes 
> To: Mateusz Konieczny , Tobias Wrede
>   
> Cc: Talk 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] our Q&A site help.openstreetmap.org is dying
> Message-ID: <15f2bcdf-981f-19e7-224f-8b92f6574...@compton.nu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 20/05/2020 14:48, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
>
>
>> Migrate to Stack Exchange? Even assuming that this company will agree
>> it has plenty of potential issues.
> They have a public process for proposing new sites:
>
>https://area51.stackexchange.com/faq
>
> So long as enough people are interested it shouldn't be an issue. I've
> been through the process with another site.
>
> Tom
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