Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
I would question whether vegan or vegetarian are types of cuisine. You can have vegetarian restaurants serving very different cuisines, tagging such as cuisine=indian diet=vegetarian, cuisine=british diet=vegetarian. If you use cuisine=vegetarian then you loose that important information. Phil (trigpoint) The tags cuisine=vegetarian and cuisine=vegan are already explicitly deprecated. That's why BuganiniQ added the documented keys diet:vegetarian and diet:vegan to them. Cheers, John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
John Packer wrote: The tags cuisine=vegetarian and cuisine=vegan are already explicitly deprecated. Says who? People who edit the wiki or people who edit the map? Any change to previously-used keys needs to be talked about in public so that someone who's got a map that depends on the old keys doesn't see things disappearing off it. That's not to say that change isn't sometimes necessary (highway=ford to ford=yes on ways comes to mind), but people need to know that it is happening. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
Andy wrote: John Packer wrote: The tags cuisine=vegetarian and cuisine=vegan are already explicitly deprecated. Says who? People who edit the wiki or people who edit the map? Any change to previously-used keys needs to be talked about in public so that someone who's got a map that depends on the old keys doesn't see things disappearing off it. That's not to say that change isn't sometimes necessary (highway=ford to ford=yes on ways comes to mind), but people need to know that it is happening. I was not around at that time, but according to the wiki, the key diet:*=* was proposed in early 2011, aprooved (explicitly deprecating cuisine=vegetarian/vegan), and is now translated to 6 other languages. Cheers, John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
Hi, I have discovered a mechanical edit of 100 restaurants worldwide by user BuganiniQ. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22303143 comment=update diet:vegen/diet:vegetarian: set to only according to cuisine; remove redundant tags created_by=osmapi/0.2.24 Has this edit been discussed before? (Maybe I have missed the discussion) I have not found anything browsing through the archives of talk and imports mailing list back to March 2014. There are also no results when I look for user BuganiniQ in OSM forum. About the edit: He has removed diet:vegetarian=* if the object was tagged diet:vegan=yes or diet:vegan=only. If it was tagged cuisine=vegetarian, diet:vegetarian=yes, he changed it to cuisine=vegetarian, diet:vegetarian=only. If it was tagged cuisine=vegan, he removed diet:vegetarian=*. You can see the full tag diff at http://osmhv.openstreetmap.de/changeset.jsp?id=22303143 There is a wiki page about it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:diet The wiki page has been saying (N.B. it may be helpful to tag diet:vegetarian=only and diet:vegan=yes) since the first version of this page on May 5, 2011. Best regards Michael -- Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
Michael Reichert wrote: Hi, I have discovered a mechanical edit of 100 restaurants worldwide by user BuganiniQ. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22303143 comment=update diet:vegen/diet:vegetarian: set to only according to cuisine; remove redundant tags created_by=osmapi/0.2.24 Has this edit been discussed before? (Maybe I have missed the discussion) I have not found anything browsing through the archives of talk and imports mailing list back to March 2014. There are also no results when I look for user BuganiniQ in OSM forum. I've not seen any discussion anywhere of this one. In practice, there are _lots_ of these sorts of well-meaning tidying up edits; relatively few of which are ever discussed. Most are entirely sensible (for example, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24991952/history , which is in the most recent such changeset that crosses where I live). Should all such changesets be cleared as mechanical edits first? The current guidelines suggest yes, but in practice this isn't done in changesets that are obviously correct such as the maxspeed one above. The tricky bit is to tell where the person doing the edit doesn't understand the nuances present in the keys and values concerned (as I'm sure that I don't with vegan etc.). Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
Hi, Am 20.05.2014 12:26, schrieb SomeoneElse: Michael Reichert wrote: Hi, I have discovered a mechanical edit of 100 restaurants worldwide by user BuganiniQ. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/22303143 comment=update diet:vegen/diet:vegetarian: set to only according to cuisine; remove redundant tags created_by=osmapi/0.2.24 Has this edit been discussed before? (Maybe I have missed the discussion) I have not found anything browsing through the archives of talk and imports mailing list back to March 2014. There are also no results when I look for user BuganiniQ in OSM forum. I've not seen any discussion anywhere of this one. I always ask or look properly before I report someone to DWG. In practice, there are _lots_ of these sorts of well-meaning tidying up edits; relatively few of which are ever discussed. Most are entirely sensible (for example, see http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24991952/history , which is in the most recent such changeset that crosses where I live). Should all such changesets be cleared as mechanical edits first? The current guidelines suggest yes, but in practice this isn't done in changesets that are obviously correct such as the maxspeed one above. The tricky bit is to tell where the person doing the edit doesn't understand the nuances present in the keys and values concerned (as I'm sure that I don't with vegan etc.). No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the linked wiki page). OT: If you want, you can report this (max_speed - maxspeed) to user Oli-Wan the maintainer of the bot Wall·E [2]. This bot operates at the moment only in Germany and Austria but can be extended to other countries if the local community wants it. Best regards Michael [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oli-Wan [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oli-Wan/Wall-E -- Per E-Mail kommuniziere ich bevorzugt GPG-verschlüsselt. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
2014-05-20 12:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net: No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the linked wiki page). +1, well-meaning tag-normalization should not be tolerated without discussion, not even if the wiki proposes different tags, while fixing typos should. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
Am 20.05.2014 13:04, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-05-20 12:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net mailto:naka...@gmx.net: No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the linked wiki page). +1, well-meaning tag-normalization should not be tolerated without discussion, not even if the wiki proposes different tags, while fixing typos should. +1 but please be friendly and explain the difference to the user. IMHO we should add this information to the wiki. colliar signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
For a more complete picture: This user (BuganiniQ) first added diet:vegetarian=yes and diet:vegan=yes to places with cuisine=vegan, and diet:vegetarian=yes to places with cuisine=vegetarian. It does not seem too much of a stretch to do that. Then later he corrected these tags to diet:vegan=only to places with cuisine=vegan (without diet:vegetarian=yes) and diet:vegetarian=only to places with cuisine=vegetarian. The question really is whether he removed/changed tags only from the objects he added these tags, or if he just selected all of them. Cheers, John 2014-05-20 12:42 GMT+02:00 Michael Reichert nakaner at gmx.net: No, not every mechanical edit. There is no sharp border. The example you gave correct errors. Such edits should not have to be discussed. But the changeset I gave changed tagging and IMHO did not fix errors (see the linked wiki page). +1, well-meaning tag-normalization should not be tolerated without discussion, not even if the wiki proposes different tags, while fixing typos should. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] undiscussed (?) mechanical edit on diet:vegan and diet:vegetarian
On Tue, 2014-05-20 at 13:25 -0300, John Packer wrote: For a more complete picture: This user (BuganiniQ) first added diet:vegetarian=yes and diet:vegan=yes to places with cuisine=vegan, and diet:vegetarian=yes to places with cuisine=vegetarian. It does not seem too much of a stretch to do that. Then later he corrected these tags to diet:vegan=only to places with cuisine=vegan (without diet:vegetarian=yes) and diet:vegetarian=only to places with cuisine=vegetarian. The question really is whether he removed/changed tags only from the objects he added these tags, or if he just selected all of them. I would question whether vegan or vegetarian are types of cuisine. You can have vegetarian restaurants serving very different cuisines, tagging such as cuisine=indian diet=vegetarian, cuisine=british diet=vegetarian. If you use cuisine=vegetarian then you loose that important information. Phil (trigpoint) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
