Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Mike

On 03.07.12. 04:27, Tapio Sokura wrote:


I'm planning on purchasing a new handheld GPS unit for general purpose
outdoor use as well as OSM mapping. I've previously used a Garmin gpsmap
60csx, in which I really liked the feature that saves raw tracklogs also
to the microsd card in gpx format.

Do any of the newer models support this kind of automatic
raw-tracklog-to-card functionality? The touch screen
Montana/Oregon/Dakota and gpsmap 62/78 series?


Oregon does saves tracklogs in GPX format. I believe every new model does.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Andy Robinson
I can't be certain but I suspect any Garmin unit that takes a micro SD card
can store a daily gpx tracklog file nowadays.

Cheers
Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Tapio Sokura [mailto:oh2...@iki.fi]
 Sent: 03 July 2012 03:27
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?
 
 Hello,
 
 I'm planning on purchasing a new handheld GPS unit for general purpose
 outdoor use as well as OSM mapping. I've previously used a Garmin gpsmap
 60csx, in which I really liked the feature that saves raw tracklogs also
to the
 microsd card in gpx format.
 
 Do any of the newer models support this kind of automatic raw-tracklog-to-
 card functionality? The touch screen Montana/Oregon/Dakota and gpsmap
 62/78 series?
 
 I've always liked the Garmin units, but I might be persuaded to buy some
 other make. If there are any good candidates..?
 
Tapio
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/7/3 Tapio Sokura oh2...@iki.fi:
 I'm planning on purchasing a new handheld GPS unit for general purpose
 outdoor use as well as OSM mapping. I've previously used a Garmin gpsmap
 60csx, in which I really liked the feature that saves raw tracklogs also to
 the microsd card in gpx format.

 Do any of the newer models support this kind of automatic
 raw-tracklog-to-card functionality? The touch screen Montana/Oregon/Dakota
 and gpsmap 62/78 series?


Last time I looked at this the 62-series did NOT store the tracks on
the micro-SD-card like the 60csx does. It stores the tracks on the
1.7GB internal memory (so yes, this is also quite infinite, but it
is not the same, e.g. you can't use an external card-reader to get
these tracks). The newer models like the 62series also seem to have an
automatic track-compression you cannot turn off (so no raw
tracklogs) if I recall right.

You can find a lot of info about these devices also in the osm-wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Garmin/GPS_series

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Tapio Sokura

On 3.7.2012 10:54, Mike wrote:

Oregon does saves tracklogs in GPX format. I believe every new model does.


That's what I understand as well. But after reading a few Garmin manuals 
and googling around for a while I still haven't found a solid answer to 
this question: How many trackpoints will the unit store before it begins 
overwriting old ones or stops collecting new tracklog altogether?


Some sources seem to hint that the maximum amount of trackpoints a 
single GPX file on new Garmins can contain is 10k, good for a bit under 
3 hours of tracklog taken with 1 second interval. The maximum number of 
distinct GPX files archived in the device could be 20, 200 or maybe even 
unlimited (=limited by free memory on the device) depending on the source.


10k trackpoints times 200 files is 2 million trackpoints or about 23 
days of continuous tracklog, which would probably be enough for me. But 
does the auto-archiving/rotating feature produce tracklog files that are 
of the assumed 10k maximum size?


Can someone confirm that tracklogs automatically archived by newer 
generation Garmins can contain more than 10k points and/or have had more 
than 20 or 200 automatically archived GPX files in the device at one time?


  Tapio

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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/7/3 Tapio Sokura oh2...@iki.fi:
 Can someone confirm that tracklogs automatically archived by newer
 generation Garmins can contain more than 10k points and/or have had more
 than 20 or 200 automatically archived GPX files in the device at one time?



AFAIK at least the 62series does not store every second a point  but
instead does some smoothing on the track (i.e. it will contain less
points than one per second, but it will probably not be what you
want). I don't own a 62series device but a friend of mine does and
when I borrowed it I couldn't manage to get raw tracklogs logged,
neither to the sd-card nor to the internal memory. Please note that
with raw tracklogs I intend positions and timestamps as with the older
60csx, actually these logs are never raw, neither on the older
60csx:, they are always position data calculated from the raw signal
by some secret algorithm (you can notice this for instance when
entering into a tunnel and the track continues in the former direction
for a short time even when there is no reception at all).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Shaun McDonald
The Garmin Edge 800 stores in some .fit format rather than GPX. I've still not 
found some tools to batch convert from that format to .gpx.

Shaun

On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:03, Andy Robinson wrote:

 I can't be certain but I suspect any Garmin unit that takes a micro SD card
 can store a daily gpx tracklog file nowadays.
 
 Cheers
 Andy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tapio Sokura [mailto:oh2...@iki.fi]
 Sent: 03 July 2012 03:27
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?
 
 Hello,
 
 I'm planning on purchasing a new handheld GPS unit for general purpose
 outdoor use as well as OSM mapping. I've previously used a Garmin gpsmap
 60csx, in which I really liked the feature that saves raw tracklogs also
 to the
 microsd card in gpx format.
 
 Do any of the newer models support this kind of automatic raw-tracklog-to-
 card functionality? The touch screen Montana/Oregon/Dakota and gpsmap
 62/78 series?
 
 I've always liked the Garmin units, but I might be persuaded to buy some
 other make. If there are any good candidates..?
 
   Tapio
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Dair Grant

On 3 Jul 2012, at 16:16, Shaun McDonald wrote:

 The Garmin Edge 800 stores in some .fit format rather than GPX. I've still 
 not found some tools to batch convert from that format to .gpx.

The ANT SDK has some sample code for decoding .fit files:

http://www.thisisant.com/pages/developer-zone/fit-sdk

The sample just dumps out lat/lon/timestamp samples, but it's easy enough to 
munge into gpx or the like.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Current Garmin units with unlimited tracklog?

2012-07-03 Thread Craig Wallace

On 03/07/2012 16:16, Shaun McDonald wrote:

The Garmin Edge 800 stores in some .fit format rather than GPX. I've still not 
found some tools to batch convert from that format to .gpx.


The latest version of GPSBabel (v.1.4.3) claims to support FIT format. 
Though it didn't seem to work when I tried using it for FIT files from 
my Forerunner 110.


Or you can download from the Edge into Garmin Training Center or 
BaseCamp, then export as GPX. Though that's probably not very convenient 
for a lot of files.


Craig

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