Re: [OSM-talk] Deprecated feature template in the wiki
> On 10. Jun 2020, at 14:58, Mateusz Konieczny via talk < > talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > "Why is the definition for the tag removed" it never had a good definition. > > > the former definition was > A large water tank, typically cylindrical > personally I would also have suggested a different definition based on function (sth like container for storing water, or actually go for liquids and storage tank), not on size and shape (large, cylindrical), nonetheless it is a valid definition. And in general, if the definition is constructed in an ambiguous or otherwise unfortunate manner (or absent), it still mustn’t be removed, it still serves mappers to form a decision whether they want to follow the suggested alternative tags or apply this tag. Why should someone not " (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to > something else in the database"" > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct > > > it was rhetorical, how can you decide without knowing the meaning of all the alternatives, in particular the tag you were looking up? > "I also believe replacing the tag image with this one" > From looking through history this page never had an image anyway. > > > no need to replace or put a picture like this, excessive. There is already a red box with a deprecation warning throning above, the Hand says: STAY AWAY!!! while the formerly used exclamation mark was calling for your attention. It is quite a change in paradigm. Cheers Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Deprecated feature template in the wiki
Jun 10, 2020, 17:25 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > > >> On 10. Jun 2020, at 14:58, Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> wrote: >> >> "Why is the definition for the tag removed" it never had a good definition. >> > > > the former definition was > >> A large water tank, typically cylindrical >> That is why I used "never had a good definition", not "never had a definition" It has (a) "large" appearing from nowhere (b) repeat of what is already in tag value (c) mention of shape that is not helpful in any way. Feel free to restore it if you think that it was helpful, though meaning of that tag is quite clear anyway. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Deprecated feature template in the wiki
Note that this page never lost really useful documentation.
There was
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tank=1245262
with claims either dubious or completely obvious.
I restored "similar tags" section.
"Why is the definition for the tag removed" it never had a good definition.
"Why should someone not " (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to
something else in the database""
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
"I also believe replacing the tag image with this one"
>From looking through history this page never had an image anyway.
Jun 10, 2020, 14:07 by dieterdre...@gmail.com:
> I have seen that some features have been "deprecated" in the wiki by
> replacing all documentation with a template like this:
> example > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dwater_tank
>
>>
>> {{Deprecated
>> |oldkey=man_made
>> |oldvalue=water_tank
>> |newtext=tag:man_made=storage_tank + tag:content=water
>> }}
>>
>
> which leads to this text:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> This feature has been labeled as >> deprecated>> . The recommended
>> replacement is: tag:man_made=storage_tank + tag:content=water .
>> The reason is documented in >> Deprecated features
>> >> . You are still
>> free to continue to use or interpret this tag as you see fit since
>> OpenStreetMap does not have “banned features”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Under no circumstances should you (semi-)automatically change “deprecated”
>> tags to something else in the database on a large scale without conforming
>> to the >> Automated Edits code of conduct
>> >> .
>> Any such change will be reverted.
>>
>
> in the sidebar, the definition is replaced by "Using this tag is discouraged,
> use man_made=storage_tank + content=water instead. "
>
>
> This doesn't make sense. Why is the definition for the tag removed? Why
> should someone not " (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to
> something else in the database" if these tags are completely synonymous as
> the template suggests?
>
> I am fine with adding deprecation templates which should add some kind of
> marker about the deprecation, but the original page content should not be
> removed. The deprecation marker should be an addition.
>
> I also believe replacing the tag image with this one >
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Commons-emblem-hand.svg/200px-Commons-emblem-hand.svg.png
> is carrying this to excess.
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Deprecated feature template in the wiki
On 10/06/2020 13:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: This doesn't make sense. Why is the definition for the tag removed? Why should someone not " (semi-)automatically change “deprecated” tags to something else in the database" if these tags are completely synonymous as the template suggests? It doesn't say you shouldn't change them - it says that such a change is an automated edit that should follow the automated edit rules. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
