Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM
Tim Waters (chippy) wrote: Sent: 09 July 2009 10:34 AM To: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason Cc: openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM 2009/7/9 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: A few months ago in some local news media a talking head claimed that Amsterdam's Red Light District wasn't in central Amsterdam and moreover that it didn't contain any Coffee shops, i.e. ones of the type that'll sell you more than just beverages. So of course I headed over to OSM to prove both of these to be incorrect. Only to find to my disappointment that not only did the map of Amsterdam not have an area (or even a POI!) for the Red Light district, it also didn't have any sort of tagging schema for aforementioned Coffee shops. (Incidental after some searching around this is the best map I can find showing those two features: http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/Map.html) So here's hoping that SOTM visitors to Amsterdam will be able to rectify this situation. The problem of coming up with a tagging schema for POIs applicable to these two categories I leave to you. I think that would be an interesting little micro mapping party. Perhaps it may have already been done. Grant looked like he might have been in the area on Thursday ;-) Cheers Andy Brings up the subject of how to map known illegal establishments - we should map the truth on the ground, we should map their land use as something like brothel and recreational drug shop, in my opinion. In a few countries, the law looks the other way, or are facing loopholes, - the places name themselves massage parlour, coffee shop but people passing by know what they are really for. Added to this is the threat that these places may take offence (sue?) at being labeled as doing illegal things (even though they may well be). Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM
2009/7/9 Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl: On Thursday 09 July 2009 02:52:04 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Only to find to my disappointment that not only did the map of Amsterdam not have an area (or even a POI!) for the Red Light district Main Problem I can see with mapping Red Light Districts is that the minute they are known they move on, or are closed down by the police. Its like trying to map Gang Areas, The people who know where they are, are unlikely to map them as this could but them at risk. Short of mapping the shoes hung over telegraph its not something you can map without insider knowledge. Of course it also puts the whole of the New International Train Station in London (Kings Cross) in a Red Light District.. Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM
Hi Aevar, Most coffeshops do offer more than just beverages. In general you are welcome to order: Uitsmijter : 2 bread , ham and 2-3 eggs Tostie: 2 bread ham and cheese , grilled together Broodje : white or brown bread with any sliced meat or cheese (10's of choices) Broodje gezond: Folded bread or baguette type of bread with ham chees salad tomatoe cucumber etc. Broodje bal: Soft white bread, with a meatball in between (try this one !) Broodje haring : Soft white bread with raw salty herring and onions I do not think it makes sense of tagging the kind of food offered. (but keep the list if you come to Amsterdam) More interesting (for international SOTM-ers) might be to indicate what coffeeshops also sell joints, weed and/or hashish ! May I suggest some tagging: drugs= ... where the argument will be: thai, orange bud, sneeuwwitje, dynamite, snowdevil, bubbles, AK-47, peace maker turk, droomskunk, charras, temple Nepal, king Hassan, amnesia, purple power , Jamaica and a whole lot more !! Prices between 4 and 12 euro / gram More info: http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/GenCS.html Warning : smoking kills Gert Gremmen - Openstreetmap.nl (alias: cetest) Before printing, think about the environment. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason Verzonden: Thursday, July 09, 2009 2:52 AM Aan: openstreetmap Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM A few months ago in some local news media a talking head claimed that Amsterdam's Red Light District wasn't in central Amsterdam and moreover that it didn't contain any Coffee shops, i.e. ones of the type that'll sell you more than just beverages. So of course I headed over to OSM to prove both of these to be incorrect. Only to find to my disappointment that not only did the map of Amsterdam not have an area (or even a POI!) for the Red Light district, it also didn't have any sort of tagging schema for aforementioned Coffee shops. (Incidental after some searching around this is the best map I can find showing those two features: http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/Map.html) So here's hoping that SOTM visitors to Amsterdam will be able to rectify this situation. The problem of coming up with a tagging schema for POIs applicable to these two categories I leave to you. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM
2009/7/9 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: A few months ago in some local news media a talking head claimed that Amsterdam's Red Light District wasn't in central Amsterdam and moreover that it didn't contain any Coffee shops, i.e. ones of the type that'll sell you more than just beverages. So of course I headed over to OSM to prove both of these to be incorrect. Only to find to my disappointment that not only did the map of Amsterdam not have an area (or even a POI!) for the Red Light district, it also didn't have any sort of tagging schema for aforementioned Coffee shops. (Incidental after some searching around this is the best map I can find showing those two features: http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/Map.html) So here's hoping that SOTM visitors to Amsterdam will be able to rectify this situation. The problem of coming up with a tagging schema for POIs applicable to these two categories I leave to you. I think that would be an interesting little micro mapping party. Brings up the subject of how to map known illegal establishments - we should map the truth on the ground, we should map their land use as something like brothel and recreational drug shop, in my opinion. In a few countries, the law looks the other way, or are facing loopholes, - the places name themselves massage parlour, coffee shop but people passing by know what they are really for. Added to this is the threat that these places may take offence (sue?) at being labeled as doing illegal things (even though they may well be). Tim ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: So here's hoping that SOTM visitors to Amsterdam will be able to rectify this situation. Sadly(?) the city of Amsterdam is about to close virtually the entire redlight district... so I guess it would be a historic effort ;) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkpVSBAACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2xugCeMuNwYiWX5QwcQfn0veVwvtRn u0AAoIoivuLuU4+VJuVIgq6uq2NjtmAi =mZs7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping party suggestion for SOTM
On Thursday 09 July 2009 02:52:04 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: Only to find to my disappointment that not only did the map of Amsterdam not have an area (or even a POI!) for the Red Light district I was looking for the shortest walking route from Amsterdam Central Station to the SOTM venue this morning and I saw it goes right through the red light district (with POI): http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.37475lon=4.90011zoom=16layers=B000FTF I can't help you with coffeeshops as I don't smoke. ;) -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
