Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for users/casual mappers (Re: Tagging FOR the renderer)

2015-05-19 Thread Simon Poole
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I'm roughly just outside the 1000 largest mappers and am, in my experience, at 
least not atypical for mappers of that rank. With exception of building 
outlines pre - survey and some updates I'm doing to old stuff in Zurich that's 
about the limit of arm chairing and mechanical edits for me. Yes there are a 
few mappers up there with the bots but I don't believe that they are 
particularly relevant.

On 19. Mai 2015 01:57:31 MESZ, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 You must have misunderstood something there, the top 50'000 (roughly
10%
 of all) or so mappers have contributed essentially all (roughly 95%)
 data to OSM. The long tail is not unimportant, but from a pure volume
 point of view OSM is very dependent on its core contributors. Not
that
 this is a surprise or different than any other similar enterprise.


Keep in mind the type of contribution is different.

This year I edited 250,000 trees with a bad tag.  That's a huge number
of
nodes, but not a significant contribution of knowledge.
The long tail editors on the other hand may be supplying data in
unique
ways requiring local knowledge.




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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for users/casual mappers (Re: Tagging FOR the renderer)

2015-05-19 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 19/05/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 You must have misunderstood something there, the top 50'000 (roughly 10%
 of all) or so mappers have contributed essentially all (roughly 95%)
 data to OSM. The long tail is not unimportant, but from a pure volume
 point of view OSM is very dependent on its core contributors. Not that
 this is a surprise or different than any other similar enterprise.


 Keep in mind the type of contribution is different.

 This year I edited 250,000 trees with a bad tag.  That's a huge number of
 nodes, but not a significant contribution of knowledge.
 The long tail editors on the other hand may be supplying data in unique
 ways requiring local knowledge.

It's also likely that prolific contributors will work on mostly
armchair-mappable stuff, while the long tail will just add a
particular POI they care about. So once the initial basemap is done
by big contributors, I expect the number of changesets (but not the
amount of data) to shift toward long tail contributors.

Arguably, the long tail is what crowdsourcing is all about. But to
make it possible, we first need a huge amount of data, which comes
from top contributors. Both contributor profiles are necessary for
OSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for users/casual mappers (Re: Tagging FOR the renderer)

2015-05-18 Thread Simon Poole


Am 18.05.2015 um 15:18 schrieb Daniel Koć:

...
 
 The most of the work in OSM is done not by the few hundreds of advanced
 users, but by much more casual mappers.
...

You must have misunderstood something there, the top 50'000 (roughly 10%
of all) or so mappers have contributed essentially all (roughly 95%)
data to OSM. The long tail is not unimportant, but from a pure volume
point of view OSM is very dependent on its core contributors. Not that
this is a surprise or different than any other similar enterprise.

Simon



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Re: [OSM-talk] Portal for users/casual mappers (Re: Tagging FOR the renderer)

2015-05-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 You must have misunderstood something there, the top 50'000 (roughly 10%
 of all) or so mappers have contributed essentially all (roughly 95%)
 data to OSM. The long tail is not unimportant, but from a pure volume
 point of view OSM is very dependent on its core contributors. Not that
 this is a surprise or different than any other similar enterprise.


Keep in mind the type of contribution is different.

This year I edited 250,000 trees with a bad tag.  That's a huge number of
nodes, but not a significant contribution of knowledge.
The long tail editors on the other hand may be supplying data in unique
ways requiring local knowledge.
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