Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 28 March 2010 08:00, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 Richard Weait wrote:
 Many of the coastlines in OSM came from an import of the PGS coastline
 data.  It was a fantastic benefit to be able to add this coastline
 data to OSM, and we're better off having had it.  And there are many
 places that have aerial imagery that is now good enough to improve on
 PGS coastlines.  So that is the project of the week for 28 March,
 2010, check your favorite bit of coastline and improve what you can
 with overhead imagery.

 And while in the process: have a look at the islands of Ibiza and
 Formentera. These landmasses have vanished.
 http://osm.org/go/xRcUWZ--

I have argued on the talk-es list that it might be caused by the
addition of place=island to the coast line on Mar 19.  I have not
removed the tag because I think the renderer should probably allow
that.

(http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/10316103)

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El 30/03/2010 15:10, andrzej zaborowski escribió:
 And while in the process: have a look at the islands of Ibiza and
 Formentera. These landmasses have vanished.

 I have argued on the talk-es list that it might be caused by the
 addition of place=island to the coast line on Mar 19.  I have not
 removed the tag because I think the renderer should probably allow
 that.

Thinking just that, I removed the place=island tag from every piece of 
coastline and made a relation out of all the pieces of coastline:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/536255

... but the problem persists.


Would a coastline expert enlighten us all?

-- 
Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread John Smith
2010/3/30 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/536255

 ... but the problem persists.

anything tagged natural=coastline only updates intermitently, I'm not
sure if there is a regular schedule or not, however shape files are
produced from the coastline segments and so on and so forth.

tagging it natural=land will update much faster, but that is
problematic in the longer term...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread Grant Slater
2010/3/30 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
 anything tagged natural=coastline only updates intermitently, I'm not
 sure if there is a regular schedule or not, however shape files are
 produced from the coastline segments and so on and so forth.


Coastlines updating is currently a manual process for tile.osm.org

Coastline Checker is much more frequently updated:
http://coastline.openstreetmap.nl/ (see update line on site)
Details on wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline_error_checker

 tagging it natural=land will update much faster, but that is
 problematic in the longer term...

Do it properly. Not using some dirty hack. :-)

/ Grant

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread John Smith
2010/3/31 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com:
 Do it properly. Not using some dirty hack. :-)

The problem is everything except the coastlines update within minutes,
so now people assume everything does and when it doesn't they complain
on mailing lists or diary entries or 

Realistically it's no more of a hack than generating shape files to
get around rendering problems with broken coast lines.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread Jon Burgess
On Tue, 2010-03-30 at 16:45 +0100, Grant Slater wrote:
 2010/3/30 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
  anything tagged natural=coastline only updates intermitently, I'm not
  sure if there is a regular schedule or not, however shape files are
  produced from the coastline segments and so on and so forth.
 
 
 Coastlines updating is currently a manual process for tile.osm.org
 
 Coastline Checker is much more frequently updated:
 http://coastline.openstreetmap.nl/ (see update line on site)
 Details on wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline_error_checker

The shapefiles were last updated just a couple of days ago, from the
planet-100324.osm.bz2 file. I can't see any obvious reason why the
islands would be missing. The coastline generating utility really only
cares about things tagged with natural=coastline so any other tags like
place=island should have no effect on it.

  Jon



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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-30 Thread John Smith
On 31 March 2010 08:34, Jon Burgess jburgess...@googlemail.com wrote:
 place=island should have no effect on it.

Other than being used to display the name does that tag get rendered at all?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-28 Thread Maarten Deen
Richard Weait wrote:
 Many of the coastlines in OSM came from an import of the PGS coastline
 data.  It was a fantastic benefit to be able to add this coastline
 data to OSM, and we're better off having had it.  And there are many
 places that have aerial imagery that is now good enough to improve on
 PGS coastlines.  So that is the project of the week for 28 March,
 2010, check your favorite bit of coastline and improve what you can
 with overhead imagery.

And while in the process: have a look at the islands of Ibiza and 
Formentera. These landmasses have vanished.
http://osm.org/go/xRcUWZ--

Regards,
Maarten

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Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data

2010-03-28 Thread Roman Neumüller
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:48:16 +0300, talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote:

 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:17:28 -0430
 From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Project of the Week 2010Mar28 - Swimming in data
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 Many of the coastlines in OSM came from an import of the PGS coastline
 data.  It was a fantastic benefit to be able to add this coastline
 data to OSM, and we're better off having had it.  And there are many
 places that have aerial imagery that is now good enough to improve on
 PGS coastlines.  So that is the project of the week for 28 March,
 2010, check your favorite bit of coastline and improve what you can
 with overhead imagery.
 Those without a favorite bit of unimproved coastline might take a look

I suggest searching the db for

   waterway=coastline AND (note=*rough* OR fixme=*rough*)

- for example coastlines of Indonesia and Vietnam are *really* rough!

Roman

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