Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you don't have an iDevice? Don't use Twitter? Don't like the app? Or just don't find this idea a good one? Or am I missing something? Hi, I am looking for any source code for this app, or even license information, cannot find it. do you have a public svn or git repo? I would like to check it out. thanks, mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps you can tap on POI icons in OpenMaps without needing to search for them; innovative, isn't it?) and send out a checkin tweet. A typical tweet will look like this: http://twitter.com/#!/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416 Isn't Foursquare, Gowalla and now Facebook doing something similar you ask? Since you've asked for an explanation for our lack of response: I guess for me this use case seems narrow and doesn't really connect with me. No, I don't have an iDevice, nor do I use twitter to any great extent (and I certainly wouldn't pollute it with random checkins). I could be way off base, but the OSM community that I see on these lists don't strike me by and large as the gregarious see where I am right now! type. Of course we're interested in ways to increase OSM's profile, but this seems a rather obscure way to me. (OTOH if your post was really Hey we have a nice OSM app, then, cool, good to hear it). Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 21:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: the app installed on their device). They can even follow the recent Twitter conversation about an OSM element within the app. So if they want to share with the public that they serve amazing coffee at openmaps://n/957085286 then they can do that easily. what is this openmaps:// handler for? -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Cool idea - I can see how it can help the OSM project. There are a couple of things. 1) What to do about users adding the same point, but differently. For example user A goes I'm at McDonalds, it's a cafe, user B goes I'm at Mac Donalds, it's a fast food restaurant for the same location. What one or two of the most popular chicken apps do is show these points one after the other. What the OSM database could see is that there's multiple points for the same thing. 2) The popular chicken apps are games. This is why they are popular. You gotta add in game mechanics for it to work, coupons, badges and other fun stuff. Without the gameplay, it becomes much like existing services like http://mapme.at - personal location story applications. I think the idea is great and potentially disruptive, but would need to be promoted to the mass market, not just loveable geo freetards :) Tim On 16 December 2010 20:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Today we released OpenMaps version 4.0 in Apple's App Store. It is a free map app based on OpenStreetMap and we believe it is the best. It is as slick as the built-in (Google) Maps application and if you ever used Maps on an iPhone you know that it's not a little thing to say. But this is not the reason why I am writing this email. I believe in OpenStreetMap. I really do. I want it to be the de facto map that everyone uses and I think most of you feel the same way. I also believe that OpenStreetMap is not getting the deserved user attention that we want it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps you can tap on POI icons in OpenMaps without needing to search for them; innovative, isn't it?) and send out a checkin tweet. A typical tweet will look like this: http://twitter.com/#!/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416 Isn't Foursquare, Gowalla and now Facebook doing something similar you ask? Exactly. And look how popular they are. I believe that tweeting (checking in, commenting, etc.) about OSM POIs is a great way to increase OSM awareness. And it is a great way to share places with friends as when users tap on an openmaps:// link they will be shown the respective OSM element in OpenMaps (if they have the app installed on their device). They can even follow the recent Twitter conversation about an OSM element within the app. So if they want to share with the public that they serve amazing coffee at openmaps://n/957085286 then they can do that easily. I am enthusiastic about this and encourage you to adopt this because I really think it is a great idea to increase OSM awareness. Maybe it will catch on, maybe not. It all depends on the critical mass. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo, CEO IZE, Ltd. P.S. for OSM Announce list members: If you have questions or have feedback, then reply on the (cced) OSM talk list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Guys, thanks. I can work with this feedback. Ken: Currently we support only Twitter. Serge: The goal with this sharing, commenting, checking in to OSM places on Twitter is to create a buzz about OSM there and expose it to potential new users. With that said if you open an openmaps:// link you will be shown the whole OSM element with all of its tags in the iOS app (OpenMaps) where you can comment on it via Twitter, calculate the route to there, add it to your contacts, send the link to it via email to your friends, edit its tags, etc. You get the main idea. Dave: That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Feedback. (I pasted my reply to Serge here) The goal with this sharing, commenting, checking in to OSM places on Twitter is to create a buzz about OSM there and expose it to potential new users. With that said if you open an openmaps:// link you will be shown the whole OSM element with all of its tags in the iOS app (OpenMaps) where you can comment on it via Twitter, calculate the route to there, add it to your contacts, send the link to it via email to your friends, edit its tags, etc. You get the main idea. Mike: That's great. If you find any issues during your testings then please report them either on our support website http://openmaps.ideascale.com/ or directly within the app at the Feedback tool - which basically is an in app interface to the support site. Steve: The see where I am right now! is just a use case. Another use case that I am convinced that would connect with you more is to be able to see what people say about that OSM place where you are at that moment of time. But if you don't care about reviews generated by users in Yelp, Google Places, etc. then probably this use case doesn't connect with you either. Simone: If you see a clickable openmaps:// link somewhere in an iOS app (e.g. in Twitter for iPhone) and click on it then OpenMaps will launch and show you that OSM place where (pasted text from above coming) you can comment on it via Twitter, calculate the route to there, add it to your contacts, send the link to it via email to your friends, edit its tags, etc. You get the main idea. Currently the Twitter website doesn't create clickable links for custom URL schemes e.g. mailto: or openmaps:, in our case, but I am working with them to add support for this. Tim: 1) Let me clarify. When users send out a checkin, comment, share tweet about an _existing_ OSM place that tweet goes to Twitter. A sample checkin tweet will look like this: http://twitter.com/#!/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416 That tweet has an openmaps:// link in it. If you click on it OpenMaps will launch and it will show you that place where (pasted text from above coming) you can comment on it via Twitter, calculate the route to there, add it to your contacts, send the link to it via email to your friends, edit its tags, etc. You get the main idea. 2) Adding game element to this is challenging because of dependence on services that we aren't control of. One must have access to Twitter's full firehose to be able to achieve this. I am open to ideas, though. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. - http://izeize.com/ On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 18:25, Tim Waters chippy2...@gmail.com wrote: Cool idea - I can see how it can help the OSM project. There are a couple of things. 1) What to do about users adding the same point, but differently. For example user A goes I'm at McDonalds, it's a cafe, user B goes I'm at Mac Donalds, it's a fast food restaurant for the same location. What one or two of the most popular chicken apps do is show these points one after the other. What the OSM database could see is that there's multiple points for the same thing. 2) The popular chicken apps are games. This is why they are popular. You gotta add in game mechanics for it to work, coupons, badges and other fun stuff. Without the gameplay, it becomes much like existing services like http://mapme.at - personal location story applications. I think the idea is great and potentially disruptive, but would need to be promoted to the mass market, not just loveable geo freetards :) Tim On 16 December 2010 20:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Today we released OpenMaps version 4.0 in Apple's App Store. It is a free map app based on OpenStreetMap and we believe it is the best. It is as slick as the built-in (Google) Maps application and if you ever used Maps on an iPhone you know that it's not a little thing to say. But this is not the reason why I am writing this email. I believe in OpenStreetMap. I really do. I want it to be the de facto map that everyone uses and I think most of you feel the same way. I also believe that OpenStreetMap is not getting the deserved user attention that we want it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 18:01, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Simone: If you see a clickable openmaps:// link somewhere in an iOS app (e.g. in Twitter for iPhone) and click on it then OpenMaps will launch and show you that OSM place where (pasted text from above coming) you can comment on it via Twitter, calculate the route to there, add it to your contacts, send the link to it via email to your friends, edit its tags, etc. You get the main idea. Currently the Twitter website doesn't create clickable links for custom URL schemes e.g. mailto: or openmaps:, in our case, but I am working with them to add support for this. This is the reason I did ask. If one of your aim is to drive user attention. in this use case, a use, not knowledgeable about openstreetmap will not discover it, ending up with a non working URL schema. Cool if you can have the ppl at twitter add it. but what about the others? -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Hi, Zsombor, thanks for the reply, and clarifying about chickens. When/how does OSM get edited with the app by the user? (Sorry, not got an Iphone so cannot see for myself :) Earlier in the thread you said Every user that makes an edit to OSM via the app does it with their own OSM user. Cheers, Tim Tim: 1) Let me clarify. When users send out a checkin, comment, share tweet about an _existing_ OSM place that tweet goes to Twitter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Saturday 18 December 2010 23:28:54 Zsombor Szabó wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you don't have an iDevice? Don't use Twitter? No iDevice myself, don't use twitter. But I did forward the message to the one co-worker who proudly showed his new iPad a week ago. -- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you don't have an iDevice? Don't use Twitter? Don't like the app? Or just don't find this idea a good one? Or am I missing something? Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. - http://izeize.com/ On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 22:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Today we released OpenMaps version 4.0 in Apple's App Store. It is a free map app based on OpenStreetMap and we believe it is the best. It is as slick as the built-in (Google) Maps application and if you ever used Maps on an iPhone you know that it's not a little thing to say. But this is not the reason why I am writing this email. I believe in OpenStreetMap. I really do. I want it to be the de facto map that everyone uses and I think most of you feel the same way. I also believe that OpenStreetMap is not getting the deserved user attention that we want it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps you can tap on POI icons in OpenMaps without needing to search for them; innovative, isn't it?) and send out a checkin tweet. A typical tweet will look like this: http://twitter.com/#!/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416 Isn't Foursquare, Gowalla and now Facebook doing something similar you ask? Exactly. And look how popular they are. I believe that tweeting (checking in, commenting, etc.) about OSM POIs is a great way to increase OSM awareness. And it is a great way to share places with friends as when users tap on an openmaps:// link they will be shown the respective OSM element in OpenMaps (if they have the app installed on their device). They can even follow the recent Twitter conversation about an OSM element within the app. So if they want to share with the public that they serve amazing coffee at openmaps://n/957085286 then they can do that easily. I am enthusiastic about this and encourage you to adopt this because I really think it is a great idea to increase OSM awareness. Maybe it will catch on, maybe not. It all depends on the critical mass. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo, CEO IZE, Ltd. P.S. for OSM Announce list members: If you have questions or have feedback, then reply on the (cced) OSM talk list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you don't have an iDevice? Don't use Twitter? Don't like the app? Or just don't find this idea a good one? Or am I missing something? Would it also work with identi.ca/statusnet? Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. - http://izeize.com/ On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 22:46, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Today we released OpenMaps version 4.0 in Apple's App Store. It is a free map app based on OpenStreetMap and we believe it is the best. It is as slick as the built-in (Google) Maps application and if you ever used Maps on an iPhone you know that it's not a little thing to say. But this is not the reason why I am writing this email. I believe in OpenStreetMap. I really do. I want it to be the de facto map that everyone uses and I think most of you feel the same way. I also believe that OpenStreetMap is not getting the deserved user attention that we want it to receive. I think I have a solution how we could expose it to more users with OpenMaps for iOS. How? Just launch OpenMaps, find your favorite bar/pub/restaurant/etc. on the map, tap on it (yes, in contrast with Maps you can tap on POI icons in OpenMaps without needing to search for them; innovative, isn't it?) and send out a checkin tweet. A typical tweet will look like this: http://twitter.com/#!/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416http://twitter.com/#%21/zssz/statuses/7396822796476416 Isn't Foursquare, Gowalla and now Facebook doing something similar you ask? Exactly. And look how popular they are. I believe that tweeting (checking in, commenting, etc.) about OSM POIs is a great way to increase OSM awareness. And it is a great way to share places with friends as when users tap on an openmaps:// link they will be shown the respective OSM element in OpenMaps (if they have the app installed on their device). They can even follow the recent Twitter conversation about an OSM element within the app. So if they want to share with the public that they serve amazing coffee at openmaps://n/957085286 then they can do that easily. I am enthusiastic about this and encourage you to adopt this because I really think it is a great idea to increase OSM awareness. Maybe it will catch on, maybe not. It all depends on the critical mass. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo, CEO IZE, Ltd. P.S. for OSM Announce list members: If you have questions or have feedback, then reply on the (cced) OSM talk list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Sorry that you've received a poor reception; maybe the problem is market differentiation. That is you have a large audience of geographic enthusiasts here, and there are several apps that let them plug data into OSM. There are also apps which allow you to check in a place, like mapat.me (and others I'm sure), and I think (though am not sure) that Mapzen lets you tweet your additions to OSM. I know you can in potlatch and mapzen, but very few people use this feature. So maybe the issue is that the audience doesn't see what benefits your new application has for them that aren't being addressed by the existing tools. - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
On 18/12/2010 22:28, Zsombor Szabó wrote: Wasn't expecting so poor reception on behalf of the OSM community. No one commented on the idea of sharing and checking into OSM places on Twitter with OpenMaps for iOS to increase OSM awareness. Does this mean that you don't have an iDevice? Don't use Twitter? Don't like the app? Or just don't find this idea a good one? Or am I missing something? To answer your direct questions - No, no, because of the first answer, no, finally I don't see how this promotes OSM. The tweet you provided does appear to lead fellow coffee drinkers to the OSM website. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding the purpose. Oh, what are Foursquare, Gowalla? I use an Android 'phone because I'm not so desperate insecure that I have to copy what all my friends have. In general I have to say the apps that I've used have been poorly programmed by (well meaning) amateurs have only only one thing in common - they crash. Specific to your email, any advertising blurb that contains: we believe it is the best. It is as slick as the built-in (Google) Maps innovative, isn't it? makes me wary. It's similar to help files that started It's really easy, all you have to do is... The software always ended up being crap. Sorry If that's not what you wanted to hear, but that's the way I see it, and you did ask. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
I think it's great that we have a large and diverse ecosystem of applications in both the web, desktop and mobile space, all wanting to use OSM and in the case of OpenMaps and others, wanting to help close that feedback loop. This is why Free Software and Free Data projects are so valuable, providing a platform for inter-organizational collaboration. I do have one question though, which is directly tied to the issues that have come up in the past when companies have wanted to provide this feedback loop, which is How will the data from your system enter OSM?- that is OSM's feedback mechanism is, by design, to be used by one and only one user at a time (and that user may represent either a person or organization). Others have suggested mechanisms for adding data whereby their user data is aggregated under a single user account and then sent to OSM, and this mechanism has been rejected by the organization for a number of reasons (most of which belong on the legal list). So in your case, how do you provide data while still following the OSM user model of contributions? - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Released: OpenMaps for iOS v4.0. An idea how to increase OSM awareness.
Serge, OpenMaps for iOS application works directly with the OpenStreetMap API. We don't store any data on intermediary servers. Every user that makes an edit to OSM via the app does it with their own OSM user. Hope this clears things up. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 22:58, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's great that we have a large and diverse ecosystem of applications in both the web, desktop and mobile space, all wanting to use OSM and in the case of OpenMaps and others, wanting to help close that feedback loop. This is why Free Software and Free Data projects are so valuable, providing a platform for inter-organizational collaboration. I do have one question though, which is directly tied to the issues that have come up in the past when companies have wanted to provide this feedback loop, which is How will the data from your system enter OSM?- that is OSM's feedback mechanism is, by design, to be used by one and only one user at a time (and that user may represent either a person or organization). Others have suggested mechanisms for adding data whereby their user data is aggregated under a single user account and then sent to OSM, and this mechanism has been rejected by the organization for a number of reasons (most of which belong on the legal list). So in your case, how do you provide data while still following the OSM user model of contributions? - Serge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
