Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

[Andrew Harvey]

When I think of access=customers, I think of toilets inside a restaurant,
or a parking lot outside a pub you can only usually access as a customer,
so only things that are inside other things. The restaurant itself or the
pub wouldn't normally have the access tag. But I guess for an institutional
library only open to students I guess you could say they are "customers" of
the university, it's just a bit less clear.

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 11:29, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 21/4/20 10:44 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
> Agreed that we could do better, see the proposal process for new tags
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process.
>
> Currently we can already mark if the library is open to the public on not
> (access=yes means open to the general public), but it's unclear how say a
> school library or library restricted to attendees of an educational
> facility like a university should be tagged (is it access=private since
> only those people attending the institution have been given permission?
>
> access=customers?
>
>
> You can mark the operator of the library with
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator, which might be the
> local municipality/government/council, or might be the school or university.
>
> You can mark the operator type with
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator:type eg public, private,
> government, religious, ngo, community, consortium, cooperative.
>
> There are open questions similar to yours at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=library#Types_of_libraries
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 06:04, Christian Rogel <
> christian.ro...@club-internet.fr> wrote:
>
>> We are generally aware of the importance of the libraries, as they are
>> numerous and useful by their variety (public, academic, specialized,
>> school…).
>> But, why they have been so neglected by us, the mappers, seing them on
>> the ground, getting maybe frequently in ?
>> So poors are the tags for describing them.
>>
>> Yes, you can add the address, the phone, the opening hours and a few
>> precisions. See ameniy = library
>> 
>> But, you cannot indicate which public is admitted, if most of the
>> collection is visible, which kind of documents is displayed and/or lended,
>> and so on…
>>
>> I suggest that every person capable proposes some categorization and
>> enriches the wiki page above.
>>
>> From a few hours discussion on the French OSM list, we were looming
>> around using «  library:for = {public targeted} and library_collection.
>> But, there are more than 2 angles in library and information services.
>>
>> Note : a map of the libraries in the world
>>  was launched years ago by the
>> International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA), but we do not see
>> any location, the figures per countries only.
>> Let us remember the huge number of 2.6 M libraries registered. The French
>> version on Google Map displays 162 locations.
>>
>> 81 500 *amenity=library* are  present in OSM database today
>>  20
>> apr. (5 500 in France). We can reach a richer content.
>>
>>
>> Christian Rogel
>> Retired chief librarian (France)
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Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

[Warin]

On 21/4/20 10:44 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
Agreed that we could do better, see the proposal process for new tags 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process.


Currently we can already mark if the library is open to the public on 
not (access=yes means open to the general public), but it's unclear 
how say a school library or library restricted to attendees of an 
educational facility like a university should be tagged (is it 
access=private since only those people attending the institution have 
been given permission?

access=customers?


You can mark the operator of the library with 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator, which might be the 
local municipality/government/council, or might be the school or 
university.


You can mark the operator type with 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator:type eg public, 
private, government, religious, ngo, community, consortium, cooperative.


There are open questions similar to yours at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=library#Types_of_libraries


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 06:04, Christian Rogel 
> wrote:


We are generally aware of the importance of the libraries, as they
are numerous and useful by their variety (public, academic,
specialized, school…).
But, why they have been so neglected by us, the mappers, seing
them on the ground, getting maybe frequently in ?
So poors are the tags for describing them.

Yes, you can add the address, the phone, the opening hours and a
few precisions. See ameniy = library

But, you cannot indicate which public is admitted, if most of the
collection is visible, which kind of documents is displayed and/or
lended, and so on…

I suggest that every person capable proposes some categorization
and enriches the wiki page above.

From a few hours discussion on the French OSM list, we were
looming around using «  library:for = {public targeted} and
library_collection.
But, there are more than 2 angles in library and information services.

Note : a map of the libraries in the world
 was launched years ago by the
International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA), but we do
not see any location, the figures per countries only.
Let us remember the huge number of 2.6 M libraries registered. The
French version on Google Map displays 162 locations.

81 500 /amenity=library/ are present in OSM database today

20 apr. (5 500 in France). We can reach a richer content.


Christian Rogel
Retired chief librarian (France)

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Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

[Warin]

Some questions..

Who will use this information in OSM?
In particular ISIL information appears to be, in Australia, for contact 
between libraries and they will already have systems in place for that 
so adding that information may not help anyone.


The library collection (books/films/etc), use 
(academic/history/faimily_history etc) may be of interest but again .. 
who will use it within OSM?


The operator would give some indication as to if the library is public, 
academic, private, etc.

The opening hours data can be usefull too.
And a website.

On 21/4/20 6:00 am, Christian Rogel wrote:
We are generally aware of the importance of the libraries, as they are 
numerous and useful by their variety (public, academic, specialized, 
school…).
But, why they have been so neglected by us, the mappers, seing them on 
the ground, getting maybe frequently in ?

So poors are the tags for describing them.

Yes, you can add the address, the phone, the opening hours and a few 
precisions. See ameniy = library 

But, you cannot indicate which public is admitted, if most of the 
collection is visible, which kind of documents is displayed and/or 
lended, and so on…


I suggest that every person capable proposes some categorization and 
enriches the wiki page above.



There should be consensus with the tagging used so as not to have a 
single tag (such as library:type=*) used for many different things - 
e.g. the media book/film/audio/maps together with the access 
public/private/permissive/customer/staff and then the 'importance' 
national/international/local/state. This would be better discussed on 
the tagging list where those more concerned with tagging gather.




From a few hours discussion on the French OSM list, we were looming 
around using «  library:for = {public targeted} and library_collection.

But, there are more than 2 angles in library and information services.

Note : a map of the libraries in the world 
 was launched years ago by the 
International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA), but we do not 
see any location, the figures per countries only.
Let us remember the huge number of 2.6 M libraries registered. The 
French version on Google Map displays 162 locations.



While the 2.6 M is a number some of the entries (singular) represent a 
number of small local libraries in a shire/council area so the actual 
number of libraries is higher.




81 500 /amenity=library/ are present in OSM database today 
 20 
apr. (5 500 in France). We can reach a richer content.



Christian Rogel
Retired chief librarian (France)




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Re: [OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

[Andrew Harvey]

Agreed that we could do better, see the proposal process for new tags
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process.

Currently we can already mark if the library is open to the public on not
(access=yes means open to the general public), but it's unclear how say a
school library or library restricted to attendees of an educational
facility like a university should be tagged (is it access=private since
only those people attending the institution have been given permission?

You can mark the operator of the library with
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator, which might be the local
municipality/government/council, or might be the school or university.

You can mark the operator type with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:operator:type eg public, private,
government, religious, ngo, community, consortium, cooperative.

There are open questions similar to yours at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=library#Types_of_libraries

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 06:04, Christian Rogel <
christian.ro...@club-internet.fr> wrote:

> We are generally aware of the importance of the libraries, as they are
> numerous and useful by their variety (public, academic, specialized,
> school…).
> But, why they have been so neglected by us, the mappers, seing them on the
> ground, getting maybe frequently in ?
> So poors are the tags for describing them.
>
> Yes, you can add the address, the phone, the opening hours and a few
> precisions. See ameniy = library
> 
> But, you cannot indicate which public is admitted, if most of the
> collection is visible, which kind of documents is displayed and/or lended,
> and so on…
>
> I suggest that every person capable proposes some categorization and
> enriches the wiki page above.
>
> From a few hours discussion on the French OSM list, we were looming around
> using «  library:for = {public targeted} and library_collection.
> But, there are more than 2 angles in library and information services.
>
> Note : a map of the libraries in the world
>  was launched years ago by the
> International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA), but we do not see
> any location, the figures per countries only.
> Let us remember the huge number of 2.6 M libraries registered. The French
> version on Google Map displays 162 locations.
>
> 81 500 *amenity=library* are  present in OSM database today
>  20 apr.
> (5 500 in France). We can reach a richer content.
>
>
> Christian Rogel
> Retired chief librarian (France)
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Re: [talk-au] Anzacathon and mapping possibilities

[Warin]

On 20/4/20 9:10 am, Daniel Pocock wrote:


On 20/04/2020 00:49, Andrew Davidson wrote:

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:52 AM Daniel Pocock mailto:dan...@pocock.pro>> wrote:

 The CWGC copyright notice appears to be compatible with a bulk import of
 their cemetery data.


The copyright notice explicitly says you can only use it for personal use.


"Personal use" is one of those things that can be vague.  They don't
elaborate.


'They' don't need to elaborate.
Most, if not all, lawyers will tell you that it excludes 'business use' where 
it is used to generate money.
OSM requires that OSM data can be used to generate money.

This, to me, clearly says that the data cannot be used in OSM.


All these sites include a lot of photos and other material.  They may
only apply the strictest definition of their license to those things, it
could be worth contacting them to find out if they are happy for
OpenStreetMap collaboration on the location data.


Go right ahead and contact them.



The Anzacathon itself is a personal and non-profit activity that I've
contributed to as a volunteer and I've cited all the data sources so I'm
quite comfortable with the licensing.


You may be comfortable.

Will OSM lawyers be?

Will the authors and lawyers of those data sources be equally comfortable?


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Re: [talk-latam] Fwd: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi

[Marco Antonio Frias]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 07:14, Rodrigo  wrote:
>
> Gracias por informar sobre esta votación. No me queda claro porque sugieren 
> no usar esta etiqueta para las tuk-tuk, ¿a qué se refieren con que son 
> "2-track".

Hola, me parece que se refiere a que estos tuk tuk pueden parecer que
usen 2 carriles como los autos. Su definición de la propuesta menciona
que la diferenciar con taxi de automóvil es su versatilidad en caminos
delgados...

> Personalmente, yo sí veo que la etiqueta podría ser usada para las tuk-tuk (o 
> caponeras, como les decimos en Nicaragua) precisamente porque ello permitiría 
> distinguirles de otros tipos de acarreo o servicios de taxi, además que 
> permite una mejor integración con el esquema de transporte público.
>
> Sugeriré una etiqueta adicional para distinguir entre el tipo de 
> amenity=motorcycle_taxi, como auto_rickshaw, bicycle_rickshaw, 
> animal_rickshaw o human_rickshaw.
>
> En el caso de Nicaragua, hemos utilizado la combinación actual con las tres 
> etiquetas y además agregado una etiqueta autorickshaw=yes.

Estuve revisando en wikipedia [1] la definición de TAXI, y dice:

"El taxi es un medio de transporte con tarifas reguladas que consiste
en un vehículo de transporte con conductor que ofrece servicios de
transporte de una persona o un grupo pequeño de pasajeros dirigidos a
igual o diferentes destinos por contrato o dinero"

Con esto y la forma en como se construye una etiqueta, practicamente
amenity=taxi cumple la definición, quizá lo que falta es poner una
subetiqueta para el tipo de vehículo... algo así como se hace en las
rutas de buses poniendo el tipo de bus debajo de la etiqueta bus=*.
Otro problema es elegir un icono que represente bien el servicio de
taxi, estamos en el mismo problema para elegir el ícono de universidad

abrazos,

Marco Antonio

1] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi

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[OSM-talk] It's time to manage libraries properly in OSM

[Christian Rogel]

We are generally aware of the importance of the libraries, as they are numerous 
and useful by their variety (public, academic, specialized, school…).
But, why they have been so neglected by us, the mappers, seing them on the 
ground, getting maybe frequently in ?
So poors are the tags for describing them.

Yes, you can add the address, the phone, the opening hours and a few 
precisions. See ameniy = library 

But, you cannot indicate which public is admitted, if most of the collection is 
visible, which kind of documents is displayed and/or lended, and so on…

I suggest that every person capable proposes some categorization and enriches 
the wiki page above. 

From a few hours discussion on the French OSM list, we were looming around 
using «  library:for = {public targeted} and library_collection.
But, there are more than 2 angles in library and information services.

Note : a map of the libraries in the world  
was launched years ago by the International Federation of Library Associations 
(IFLA), but we do not see any location, the figures per countries only. 
Let us remember the huge number of 2.6 M libraries registered. The French 
version on Google Map displays 162 locations.

81 500 amenity=library are  present in OSM database today 
 20 apr. (5 
500 in France). We can reach a richer content.


Christian Rogel
Retired chief librarian (France)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Christian Rogel]

> Le 20 avr. 2020 à 15:02, Marc M.  a écrit :
> 
>> *library:for* (dérivé de *social facility:for*) :
> 
> bonne idée
> 
>> Ensuite, on pourrait avoir *library:type* pour catégoriser les collections :
> 
> :type est un clef vide de sens car ambigue :
> type visiteur public <> privé ?
> type grande petite ?
> type généraliste ou spécialisée ?
> 
>> *leisure = museum*
>> *library = yes/closed*
> 
> que veux dire closed ?
> c'est fermé ? c'est accès restreint ?


Dans ton message précédent, tu avances « content » pour le contenu du fonds de 
la bibliothèque (ou centre de doc). Cela me paraissait une bonne idée, mais, 
dans OSM, ce n’est utilisé que pour les fluides.

Pourquoi ne pas employer le mot technique habituel (en angais et en français), 
c’est-à-dire, « collection ». On dit « la ou les collection(s) » ?

Donc, library_collection pourrait convenir avec des valeurs de disciplines 
comme litterature;theatre;cinema;cartoons.

Par ailleurs, il y a plus de 200 community_centre:for

closed renvoie à l’idée d’une fermeture temporaire ou définitive d’un service 
de bib ou de doc à l’intérieur d’un plus grand (archives, musée, 
administration, entreprise).


Si library_type est admis, on pourrait l’utiliser pour le statut administratif. 
Autre proposition ?

Ce n’est pas tout, il manque un 5ème angle (!!?!), celui du mode de 
communication des documents : 
prêt direct,
prêt à domicile,
prêt indirect
consultation exclusivement sur place, 
livraison à des lieux tiers
prêt en bibliobus (ou par caisses sur un dos de chameau, si, si, ça existe en 
Asie centrale !)
 …


Christian R.


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Re: [Talk-hr] Rtovi

[Hrvoje Bogner]

Za sve podloge na popisu je promjenjena licenca i možemo ih koristiti: 
HOK, TK25, TK25-novi, TK100, TK200, DOF2011-...


U trenutku kreiranja nisam razmišljao o HOK-u, MOžda kombinacija TK25, 
TK25-novi i HOK kao izvori podataka.


Oko pozicioniranja se treba dogovoriti ovdje na listi ako ima nedoumica...


On 20. 04. 2020. 19:17, Matija Nalis wrote:

Malo pitanje oko pozicioniranja Rtova, naime
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcape kaze:
"from the land side capes are geographic extreme points sticking furthest out into 
the sea"

tako da mi se cini da bi to trebalo biti na najisturenijem dijelu?

npr. na:
https://tasks.osm-hr.org/project/2?task=63

mislim da bi "Rt Madrecin" trebao biti na jugozapadu, gdje je najizbočenije -
kao što se preciznije vidi na DGU HOK (iako je ime teže čitljivo, a
možda nije niti skroz isto).

Također pitanje, na HOK se vidi "Rt. Sv. Ivan" malo sjevernije (koji
nije ucrtan), da li da to ukucamo isto (iako nije iz TK25) ili nemamo
dozvole za to?




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] attribution manquante

[tuxayo]

On 20-04-20 17:36, David Crochet wrote:
> L'attribution est manquante pour ce site :
> 
> https://affectation3e.phm.education.gouv.fr

En effet!

Est-ce que vous avez un compte sur le wiki d'OSM?
Il y a une page qui fait l'inventaire des cas où la licence n'est pas
correctement attribuée.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Manque_d%27attribution_appropri%C3%A9e

À++ :)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] #AttributionIsNotAnOption

[Arnaud Champollion]

Bonjour,

J'avais raté cette réponse, je retombe à peine dessus, désolé.


Le 30/03/2020 à 10:53, Marc M. a écrit :

Par contre je crois que c'est toléré qu'une appli mobile affiche un (i)
ou un popup au démarage car peu pratique d'avoir la mention complète en
bas de carte quand la taille est limitée.



Voici une copie d'écran de l'appli :

https://framapic.org/PzVc8OTIASGX/75uSUhuZU7h4.jpg




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[Talk-dk] Trafiklegeplads

[Niels Elgaard Larsen]

Hvad mener I om mapningen af min lokale trafiklegeplads?
Fx. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/669606480

Jeg kan godt se at det er meget sødt.

Men det er jo ikke helt korrekt.

På den anden side igen er det måske ret uskadeligt fordi den ikke er forbundet 
til
resten af nettet, i alt fald for motorkøretøjer. For det ville jo være trist 
hvis vi
ledte en ambulance til rigshospitalet den vej?

Og hvis vi beholder tagningen, synes I så jeg skulle tilføje hastighedsgrænser?

Er der en måde at angive at det ikke er rigigt, men stadig få det renderet på 
samme
måde? Fx highway:fake=play eller sådan noger.




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[Talk-GB] Electric Vehicle charging points that are part of a lamppost

[Jez Nicholson]

I've noticed that Brighton & Hove City Council are rolling out some natty
EV charging points that are attached to lampposts.them being wired in
already. Looks like this https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Fm7L8nOL8

Anyway, how would you tag it? Is it a node for a street highway=street_lamp
and an amenity=charging_station at the same time?
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Marc M.]

Le 20.04.20 à 18:10, Christian Rogel a écrit :
> # le contenu général ou en détail des collections

au risque de choquer, le contenu d'une cuve est content=*
le contenu d'une bibliotheque pourrait utiliser le même tag ?
genre ce lieu contient de livres ou des dvd ou autres...

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Re: [Talk-hr] Rtovi (was:Tasking manager uspjesan test i najava nastavka)

[Matija Nalis]

Malo pitanje oko pozicioniranja Rtova, naime 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dcape kaze:
"from the land side capes are geographic extreme points sticking furthest out 
into the sea"

tako da mi se cini da bi to trebalo biti na najisturenijem dijelu?

npr. na:
https://tasks.osm-hr.org/project/2?task=63

mislim da bi "Rt Madrecin" trebao biti na jugozapadu, gdje je najizbočenije -
kao što se preciznije vidi na DGU HOK (iako je ime teže čitljivo, a
možda nije niti skroz isto). 

Također pitanje, na HOK se vidi "Rt. Sv. Ivan" malo sjevernije (koji
nije ucrtan), da li da to ukucamo isto (iako nije iz TK25) ili nemamo
dozvole za to?


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Re: [Talk-it] Dominio disponibile per naposm?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Am So., 19. Apr. 2020 um 16:56 Uhr schrieb Marcello :

> Maurizio,
>
> su questo punto vorrei farti una domanda, data la tua esperienza in
> fatto di licenze.
> In Wikidata praticamente ci sono tutti i CAP dei comuni italiani e se
> non erro la licenza è CC0.
> Per tutti i comuni dove il CAP è per l'intero territorio comunale
> possiamo dire di avere un
> dataset utilizzabile per aggiungere la maggior parte dei CAP in OSM,
> anche se non ufficiale
> e non completo, ma spero aggiornato, giusto?




lo so che non sono Maurizio, ma per la mia grande sorpresa quando abbiamo
discusso sul tema di prendere dati da wikidata e la licenza, e altri hanno
detto, nonostante la licenza di wikidata è ufficialmente cc0, di fatto non
la è in tanti casi (chi ha inserito i dati non aveva i diritti da cedere a
wikidata, lo ha semplicemente copiato il materiale). Purtroppo, con la
licenza cc0, non hai alcuna garanzia che non ci siano altri diritti nei
dati:

https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/legalcode
la parte 4 parla delle limitazioni, tra altro:

"4c. Affirmer disclaims responsibility for clearing rights of other persons
that may apply to the Work or any use thereof, including without limitation
any person's Copyright and Related Rights in the Work. Further, Affirmer
disclaims responsibility for obtaining any necessary consents, permissions
or other rights required for any use of the Work."

"4c. Il Dichiarante declina ogni responsabilità per diritti di proprietà o
diritti a compenso che altre persone possano rivendicare sull'Opera o
relativamente ad un suo particolare utilizzo, includendo senza limitazioni
i Diritti d'Autore e Connessi che altre persone possano rivendicare
sull'Opera. Il Dichiarante declina inoltre ogni responsabilità derivante
dall' ottenimento di tutti i necessari consensi, permessi o altri diritti
richiesti per l'utilizzo dell'Opera."

Ciao
Martin
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Re: [Talk-at] Grundlegende Frage zu OSM / crosseye Marketing

[Robert Kaiser]

Laura Pöckelhofer ... crosseye Marketing schrieb:

1.  Ein Kunde von uns betreibt eine Pension. Muss ich diese Pension jetzt 
als Gebäude UND als Punkt anlegen? Oder reicht es, das Gebäude mit dem Tag 
amenity=guest_house zu versehen und alle wichtigen Informationen einzugeben?


Friedrich hat schon eine gute Antwort gegeben, zur Ergänzung: Ich finde 
es sinnvoll und logisch, die Tags auf das Haus zu setzen, wenn eine 
Eigenschaft (z.B. ein Betrieb) das ganze Haus umfasst, und einen Punkt 
zu setzen, wenn diese nur einen Teil des Hauses betreffen.
Wenn der Betrieb "Gasthaus und Pension" mit gemeinsamen Namen das ganze 
Haus umfasst, würde ich daher alle betreffenden Tags auf das Haus geben.


KaiRo


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Christian Rogel]

Jean-Yvon qualifie de fourre-tout * :type. C’est évident, mais, OSM est en 
balance perpétuelle entre générique et particulier.

Le problème est que nous avons au moins 3 angles irréductibles pour 
caractériser un service avec une collection de documents organisée (selon une 
définition générique)
Le public visé
le contenu général ou en détail des collections
le statut administratif

Pour cela library = * peut aller à l’un des trois, mais, il en faut deux 
autres, d’où library:type (existe déjà faiblemen) et, peut-être library:for qui 
pourrait aller en 1.

Mais, comme le souligne Jean-Yvon, il reste un 4ème angle au moins  aussi 
important, celui des supports des documents.
Au plus simple, books = yes/no, records = yes/no, coins = yes/no, artworks == 
yes/no, videograms = yes/no, mais, ce nest plus un sous-tag. Est-ce grave ?


Pour faire écho à la discussion sur "Ça reste ouvert", il me semble qu’ »access 
= * » doive être limité à l'accès physique.

Pour Magalie, utiliser médiathèque à la place de bibliothèque n’est qu’une 
question de « ressenti » des décideurs.
Il n’y aucune norme.

De nombreuses bibliothèques et, non des moindres, n’ont pas changé 
d’appellation, alors qu’elles ont des documents très divers (la Bibliothèque 
nationale de France), alors qu’il est couramment baptisé médiathèque, ce qui 
n’est qu’une bibliothèque de livres dans un petit village avec quelques 
dizaines de DVD prêtés par la bibliothèque/médiathéque du Département.



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Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

[stevea]

On Apr 20, 2020, at 2:02 AM, Jiri Vlasak  wrote:
> +1. I feel that "contributors" should stay in the credit.

+1 here, as well.  I correctly and not with excessive overt pride sit up a bit 
straighter and feel a sense of community, satisfaction and even dignity every 
time I see "contributors" in OSM's copyright statement.  ("That's millions of 
us doing good work because we love this kind of mapping, including ME!")  This 
recognition is important.  This is one of the best reasons I contribute to our 
map and I am certain that I'm not alone in these feelings.  (For every +1 you 
see here, there are hundreds, thousands, I'm pretty sure millions that you 
don't see).

Sure, the results are a darn good map which gets better every hour of every 
day.  But crediting "contributors" is a critical component of that happening.  
Remove it and you remove my sense of belonging to this mapping community, so, 
the growing chant from the masses should be clear:  don't do that.  Changing 
the rules (licensing, recognition, rights...) in the middle of the journey is 
the quickest way to discourage more of us to drop out of this fine project.

SteveA
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 20/04/2020 à 14:30, Magalie Dartus - mag.dar...@gmail.com a écrit :


Question, ça existe encore les bibliothèques ? Ce ne sont pas pour
la plupart devenues des médiathèques ?

Statutairement oui les bibliothèques existent encore, même si dans les
faits se sont des médiathèques...


On est évidemment d'accord, ce que je voulais dire c'est qu'il est utile
de savoir ce qu'ils prêtent et ce ne sont pas que des livres.

Ça ne me dérange pas en soit qu'on reste sur amenity=library. La
traduction de médiathèque est media library, on reste bien sur la notion
de *thèque.

lends=books;toys;audio;CD;DVD... ?

Et pour reprendre la clé shop=books, l'équivalent de l'horrible
library:type est :

 * books
   
=academic;antiquarian;children;comic;discount;religion

Jean-Yvon

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[OSM-talk-fr] attribution manquante

[David Crochet]

Bonjour

L'attribution est manquante pour ce site :

https://affectation3e.phm.education.gouv.fr

Cordialement

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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 188, Issue 19

[ET Commands]

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 01:12:19 +0200
From: François Lacombe 
To: osm-talk 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re[2]: Tag:manhole=telecom


Given problem is you argue with pictures showing what is under the cap.
On the tag page picture - and on the ground - we can't say what is under
and if a man can't get down a ladder into a room.

I think all this stuff would require a formal proposal to discuss about
vocabulary and have opinions of several people.
We need standard definitions more than legal actually.

All the best

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 01:02, <80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru> a écrit :


I am trying to say the tag page is wrong,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom
the picture is a fiber optics splice enclosure not a manhole

https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/
https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html
https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg

this is a fiber splice manhole,

https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf

can we change the picture or put both on the same page with the legal
industry names.
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole
( a man goes into the hole) [manhole]


[...]


I have to argue with the Lexico definition of a manhole.  I worked in 
the highway construction industry in the United States for 14 years, and 
in the industry the word "manhole" refers to the entire underground 
chamber that sewers are connected to.  We referred to the access on the 
top as a "manhole cover."


Mark



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[OSM-talk-fr] Osmose propose dorénavant le type:FR:FINESS pour les structures de santé

[Georges Dutreix via Talk-fr]

Je présume qu'il faut remercier @frodrigo pour cette évolution ;-)

En tout cas, c'est vraiment un plus. Merci.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Marc M.]

Bonjour,

Le 20.04.20 à 13:31, Christian Rogel a écrit :
> Première idée

la première qui me vient, c'est utiliser/épuiser l'existant
95 bibliothèques en aquitaine en opendata prémâché par osmose
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=8230

> *library:for* (dérivé de *social facility:for*) :

bonne idée

> Ensuite, on pourrait avoir *library:type* pour catégoriser les collections :

:type est un clef vide de sens car ambigue :
type visiteur public <> privé ?
type grande petite ?
type généraliste ou spécialisée ?

> *leisure = museum*
> *library = yes/closed*

que veux dire closed ?
c'est fermé ? c'est accès restreint ?

Cordialement,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Christian Rogel]

> Le 20 avr. 2020 à 13:32, Christian Rogel  a 
> écrit :
> Bien qu’ils soient très nombreux, les bibliothèques et les centres de 
> documentation { amenity = library } sont sous-représentés dans la BDD d’OSM.
> 
> Quand ils le sont, ils sont mal décrits, parce que les tags n’ont pas été 
> discutés et qu'aucun vote n’a eu lieu. 
> 
> La page maître du wiki OSM en anglais est indigente et reflète cette 
> indécision.

Etc.

Rectification : pour les musées, c’est tourism = museum

Dans la page wiki en de tourism=museum, on voit une autre manière de décrire :
Subject = =Contenu des collections
Museum:type = statut (municipal, universitaire)
Mais, le statut ne dit pas le public concerné.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Magalie Dartus]

>
> > Lier la bibliothèque à l'institution dont elle fait partie (par exemple
> une université) ?
> operator ?
>

Correspond à l'institution qui gère la bibliothèque (université, commune,
département...)

Question, ça existe encore les bibliothèques ? Ce ne sont pas pour la
> plupart devenues des médiathèques ?
>
Statutairement oui les bibliothèques existent encore, même si dans les
faits se sont des médiathèques...



Le lun. 20 avr. 2020 à 14:23,  a écrit :

>
> Le 20/04/2020 à 13:31, Christian Rogel - christian.ro...@club-internet.fr
> a écrit :
>
> Ensuite, on pourrait avoir *library:type* pour catégoriser les
> collections :
>
> *library:type* music, mobile, arts, cinema, law, history, heritage, earth
> science, sea…
>
> Type, c'est le truc fourre-tout à proscrire.
>
> library:type big, cosy, university, private...
>
> specialities, topics est déjà mieux.
>
> library suffit. library=yes n'est pas incompatible avec ça.
> Le 20/04/2020 à 13:31, Christian Rogel - christian.ro...@club-internet.fr
> a écrit :
>
> *library* pourait être gardé pour indiquer la présence d’un centre
> documentaire :
>
> *leisure = museum*
> *library = yes/closed*
>
> closed? access=no, openping_hours=off. De plus indiquer un truc auquel on
> n'a pas accès c'est plus frustrant qu'utile.
>
> > Lier la bibliothèque à l'institution dont elle fait partie (par exemple
> une université) ?
> operator ?
>
> > Bibliothèques en plusieurs bâtiments ou ailes
> relation site ou POI.
>
> *addr =**
> *addr:street =** 
> *addr:housenumber
> =** 
> *addr:postcode
> =** Ben non
>
> Question, ça existe encore les bibliothèques ? Ce ne sont pas pour la
> plupart devenues des médiathèques ?
>
> Je trouve étonnant qu'on n'indique pas ce qu'on y trouve (livres, CD, DVD,
> livres audios, livres numériques...).
>
> Jean-Yvon
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[osm . sanspourriel]

Le 20/04/2020 à 13:31, Christian Rogel -
christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a écrit :

Ensuite, on pourrait avoir *library:type* pour catégoriser les
collections :

*library:type* music, mobile, arts, cinema, law, history, heritage,
earth science, sea…


Type, c'est le truc fourre-tout à proscrire.

library:type big, cosy, university, private...

specialities, topics est déjà mieux.

library suffit. library=yes n'est pas incompatible avec ça.

Le 20/04/2020 à 13:31, Christian Rogel -
christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a écrit :

*library* pourait être gardé pour indiquer la présence d’un centre
documentaire :

*leisure = museum*
*library = yes/closed*


closed? access=no, openping_hours=off. De plus indiquer un truc auquel
on n'a pas accès c'est plus frustrant qu'utile.

> Lier la bibliothèque à l'institution dont elle fait partie (par
exemple une université) ?
operator ?

> Bibliothèques en plusieurs bâtiments ou ailes
relation site ou POI.

/addr =*/

   /addr:street =*/
   /addr:housenumber
   =*/
   /addr:postcode
   =*/
Ben non

Question, ça existe encore les bibliothèques ? Ce ne sont pas pour la
plupart devenues des médiathèques ?

Je trouve étonnant qu'on n'indique pas ce qu'on y trouve (livres, CD,
DVD, livres audios, livres numériques...).

Jean-Yvon


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Re: [Talk-at] Grundlegende Frage zu OSM / crosseye Marketing

[Friedrich Volkmann]

On 20.04.20 12:23, Laura Pöckelhofer ... crosseye Marketing wrote:

 1. Ein Kunde von uns betreibt eine Pension. Muss ich diese Pension jetzt
als Gebäude UND als Punkt anlegen? Oder reicht es, das Gebäude mit dem
Tag amenity=guest_house zu versehen und alle wichtigen Informationen
einzugeben?


Im Normalfall setzt man alle Tags aufs Gebäude. Wenn das Gebäude aber 
weitläufig ist und die Pension nur auf einer Seite ist, dann kann es 
hilfreich sein, einen Punkt (Node) dort anzulegen oder - wenn man es genauer 
machen will - die Pension als Teilfläche des Gebäudes einzuzeichnen.


Das gleiche gilt, wenn in einem Gebäude zwei verschiedene Dinge vorkommen, 
die man nicht vermischen will, z.B. eine Pension und eine Fleischerei, vor 
allem wenn sie unterschiedliche Eigenschaften haben (Name, Öffnungszeiten...).



 2. Ein weiterer Kunde betreibt ein Gasthaus, in dem 3 kleine Gästezimmer
vermietet werden. Ist es jetzt korrekt, wenn ich das Gebäude mit der
Kategorie Restaurant anlege und die Pension als Punkt im Gebäude? Da das
Gasthaus ja der Hauptbetrieb ist.


Ja. Es ist eine von mehreren Möglichkeiten. Man könnte genauso für beides 
jeils einen Node anlegen oder auch umgekehrt alle Tags aufs Gebäude setzen 
(da amenity=restaurant und tourism=guest_house unterschiedliche Schlüssel 
haben). Es hängt von der Sichtweise ab: Sieht man alles als ein und dasselbe 
an (typischerweise mit "Gasthof..." im Namen), oder als weitgehend 
voneinander unabhängig, oder ist das Gebäude im Wesentlichen ein Gasthaus, 
und die Gästezimmer nehmen nur einen kleinen Bereich ein...


Der Vollständigkeit halber sei noch erwähnt, dass die Unterscheidung 
zwischen Gasthöfen und Hotels sowohl im normalen Sprachgebrauch als auch in 
OSM ziemlich schwammig und willkürlich ist. Während gesetzlich vorgegeben 
ist, dass sich nur Gastwirtschaften mit Nächtigungsmöglichkeit "Gasthof" 
nennen dürfen (im Ggs. zu "Gasthaus", "Wirtshaus" etc.), gibt es so ein 
gesetzliches Kriterium für Hotels meines Wissens nicht. Unter einem Hotel 
stelle ich mir vor, dass es eine Rezeption gibt, während man in einer 
Pension den Gastgeber mitunter am Handy anrufen muss oder stundenlang auf 
ihn warten muss, wenn man was braucht. Ein Gasthof kann das eine oder das 
andere sein, es gibt etliche 3- und 4-Stern-Hotels mit "Gasthof" im Namen. 
In OSM war der Unterschied zwischen Hotels (tourism=hotel) und Pensionen 
(tourism=guest_house) früher so definiert, dass es in einem Hotel etwas zu 
essen gibt. Das trifft natürlich auf jeden Gasthof zu. Wie ich jetzt sehe, 
hat das inzwischen jemand umdefiniert (ohne Absprache übrigens), so dass die 
Unterscheidung in OSM genauso schwammig ist wie im normalen Sprachgebrauch. 
Ob das gut oder schlecht ist, sei dahingestellt, aber zumindest kann man 
jetzt guten Gewissens jedes Hotal als tourism=hotel taggen und jeden Gasthof 
als tourism=guest_house + amenity=restaurant.


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Adr.: Davidgasse 76-80/14/10, 1100 Wien, Austria

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[OSM-talk-fr] Améliorer la description des bibliothèques et centres de documentation

[Christian Rogel]

Bien qu’ils soient très nombreux, les bibliothèques et les centres de 
documentation { amenity = library } sont sous-représentés dans la BDD d’OSM.

Quand ils le sont, ils sont mal décrits, parce que les tags n’ont pas été 
discutés et qu'aucun vote n’a eu lieu. 

La page maître du wiki OSM en anglais est indigente et reflète cette indécision.

C’est donc un sujet à porter au niveau international (un appel sur OSM-talk.fr 
 est en projet), mais aussi à développer dans la 
communauté francophone (coucou, les francophones non français !).

Le tronc commun des pages wiki, c’est-à-dire, les tags recommandés ou votés 
devra être créé, d’abord, sur la page Tag:amenity=library 
, mais, les les 
bibliothèques et la documentation des pays francophones peuvent apporter leur 
contribution, ne seraient que pour y faire intégrer leurs particularismes.

La page wiki en français, FR:Tag:amenity=library 
 a été enrichie 
par une description du système existant en France et l’ajout des sources 
opendata.

Avec Yves P., nous avons fait une recension de l’existant et initié un 
débroussaillage des suggestions à faire.

 
Sont en concurrence (très légère numériquement), les sous-tags library = {type 
de bibliothèque} et library:type = {type de bibliothèque}

Première idée, amener la notion de public visé par l’introduction de 
library:for (dérivé de social facility:for) :

library:for general public, students, academics, children, corporate…

Ensuite, on pourrait avoir library:type pour catégoriser les collections :

library:type music, mobile, arts, cinema, law, history, heritage, earth 
science, sea…


library pourait être gardé pour indiquer la présence d’un centre documentaire :

leisure = museum
library = yes/closed


Retours souhaités avant de porter la question au niveau international.



Christian Rogel (bibliothécaire en retraite)

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Re: [talk-au] Sources for power line details, NSW

[Warin]

On 20/4/20 12:26 am, Sebastian S. wrote:

Hi all,
I've been wondering if there are usable sources to add voltage and 
other power line details to OSM.


I see distinctly different power lines and poles around my area but so 
far I was not able to find details about them.


On Ausgrid I can identify all power poles though not OSM licenced.



The LPI Topo Map, which is OSM licensed and linked on the editors, has 
voltages on the lines... at least the higher voltage ones. These will 
all be 3 phase and the phases will each be on a single line.





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[Talk-at] Grundlegende Frage zu OSM / crosseye Marketing

[Laura Pöckelhofer . . . crosseye Marketing]

Liebe OpenStreetMap Community,

 

ich würde mich noch als OSM-Anfänger bezeichnen, deshalb habe ich ganz 
grundlegende Fragen, was mir noch nicht ganz klar ist. Ich erkläre es anhand 
eines Beispiels.

 

1.  Ein Kunde von uns betreibt eine Pension. Muss ich diese Pension jetzt 
als Gebäude UND als Punkt anlegen? Oder reicht es, das Gebäude mit dem Tag 
amenity=guest_house zu versehen und alle wichtigen Informationen einzugeben?

 

2.  Ein weiterer Kunde betreibt ein Gasthaus, in dem 3 kleine Gästezimmer 
vermietet werden. Ist es jetzt korrekt, wenn ich das Gebäude mit der Kategorie 
Restaurant anlege und die Pension als Punkt im Gebäude? Da das Gasthaus ja der 
Hauptbetrieb ist.

 

 

Ich freue mich auf eure Rückmeldung, vielleicht kann jemand meine Verwirrung 
lösen. 

 

Liebe Grüße,

 

Laura Pöckelhofer

Medienfachfrau in Ausbildung

 

Telefon: +43 3172 680 01 40

Fax: +43 3172 680 01 99

Mobil: +43 699 17 8160 04

E-Mail:   la...@crosseye.at

 



 

crosseye Marketing GmbH

Tourismus Marketing Online

GIZ Rosegg, Rosegg 1

8191 Birkfeld

  www.crosseye.at

 

Firmenbuchnummer: FN518948i

Firmenbuchgericht: LGZ Graz

Firmensitz: 8191 Birkfeld

 

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Re: [talk-au] Sources for power line details, NSW

[forster]

We have some poles around here where on the top there are 3 pairs of  
 double wires in > form and on a level below there are three single   
wires horizontal.


Hi
Just guessing and they might do it differently in your state
top layer > 100kv and < 500kv
Bottom layer 66kv or 22kv
If it connects to a pole mounted transformer 22kv
If it conects only to sub stations 66kv

But you need a sign or nameplate to solve it

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Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

[Brian Prangle]

Thanks Mark

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 16:13, Mark Goodge  wrote:

>
>
> On 17/04/2020 15:15, Brian Prangle wrote:
> > Rather than mappers up and down the country with varying evels of Excel
> > skills spending many dozens of hours cleaning up this csv could somebody
> > be kind enough to publish somewhere a cleaned up copy? It would be a
> > great resource for the QP.
>
> OK, here you go. Here are Excel and proper comma separated csv versions.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ekokv1lz4wlgxfg/Pharmacies.xlsx?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xhszbngsps4p14e/Pharmacies.csv?dl=0
>
> I haven't made any attempt to normalise the addresses. Doing so reliably
> would require referencing AddressBase or the PAF, and therefore render
> the data non-open. And doing it unreliably is probably worse than not
> doing it at all.
>
> It is not, though, particularly difficult to import the original version
> into a spreadsheet or database, and I would recommend that anyone who
> wants to use this data regularly does take a bit of time to learn how.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Sources for power line details, NSW

[Sebastian S.]

Thanks Tony,
I will have a go at this.

We have some poles around here where on the top there are 3 pairs of double 
wires in > form and on a level below there are three single wires horizontal.

On 20 April 2020 8:40:53 am AEST, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
>> In the state of Victoria at least, you can do a bit by visual 
>> inspection. With timber poles, the voltages typically are 415v 22kv 
>> and 66kv. If it feeds houses and shops its 415v. If it feeds into
>pole 
>> mounted transformers (with 415v out) its 22kv. If it feeds into
>small 
>> suburban sub stations (22kv output) its 66kv.
>
>Hi all
>To my email above I should have added:
>With this understanding of the network topology, you only need a  
>single transformer nameplate or busbar label to confirm the voltage of 
>
>a feeder for its entire length. If you can observe the busbar and  
>switching layout at the source substation you will be able to confirm  
>the voltage of the sister feeders too.
>
>Tony
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] remove the suggestion to credit "contributors"

[Jiri Vlasak]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:47:59AM -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > Since cc-by-sa 2.0 times, the suggestion to credit OSM was "© 
> > OpenStreetMap contributors", but from the current legal situation
> > (all necessary rights granted to the OSMF) it wouldn't be 
> > necessary to credit the contributors.
> 
> When I wrote the /copyright page all those years ago, the reasons it
> required that particular attribution were:
> 
> "©" because that's what copyright statements traditionally begin with. I
> take Kathleen's point (obviously I do, she's a lawyer and I'm not :) ) that
> the ODbL, of course, is not a simple licensing of copyright. But the "©"
> serves to say "hey look, here's the required credit, just like the credits
> that are required by other maps".
> 
> "OpenStreetMap" because... yeah obviously.
> 
> "contributors" because I wanted to communicate the nature of the project:
> this is an open map with (plural) contributors. Contrast with the
> attribution for other map data suppliers which just have a corporate brand:
> "TomTom", "Navteq" (as it was), "Ordnance Survey". By saying "OpenStreetMap
> contributors", we communicate that the map has many contributors - and,
> implicitly, you could be one too. So it serves as a recruiting sergeant for
> OSM, while conveying the democratic, grassroots nature of the project. To my
> mind the main driver for attribution has always been to get more
> contributors and make the map better.
> 
> I'm past caring what it says now, but thought the original rationale might
> be helpful.

+1. I feel that "contributors" should stay in the credit.

jiri

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Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"

[Nap Osm]

Si, si potrebbe fare anche così, secondo me ha molto senso. Io proporrei di 
iniziare a creare un fork del progetto e magari lavorarci sopra. Ho provato 
stamattina ma non ci ho capito nulla, non ho idea di come si possa installare 
in locale. Più tardi, quando ho più tempo, riprovo. Volevo vedere se appunto 
vengono renderizzati in grigio facendo qualche prova, ma dovrò smanettare un 
po'... In ogni caso potremmo iniziare a stilare la lista prendendo tutti i tag 
presenti qui: 
https://github.com/osmontrouge/caresteouvert/blob/master/categories.json
e inserendoli in una tabella a cui possiamo assegnare il valore per l' Italia, 
come fatto dai tedeschi: 
https://github.com/bleibtoffen/bleibtoffen/blob/master/laender.csv. Qualche 
bravo scripter riesce ricavarli? Senza che mi metto a copia-incollarli tutti 
uno alla volta 
Per le pizzerie a domicilio, come ho già detto a Martin, sorge un problema 
perché in Campania non è consentito fare consegne ai ristoranti e affiliati, 
quindi in quel caso bisognerebbe inserire l' eccezione. Per questo secondo me è 
importante anche fare una lista per regioni così nel caso proviamo ad inserire 
questa cosa se è possibile. I collaboratori del progetto francese e tedesco 
sono molto collaborativi, penso ci aiuterebbero parecchio.

From: Alessandro Sarretta 
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 7:39 AM
To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"


Ciao Naposm,

grazie per seguire questa attività. Avevo attivato io l'issue per l'Italia in 
github ma non sono riuscito poi a dare seguito.

Non ho capito del tutto cosa viene rappresentato nella mappa e con che default. 
Sapiamo ad esempio che le pasticcerie o le pizzerie sono chiuse, ma molti fanno 
le consegne a domicilio: se mettiamo nella "tua" lista il valore chiuso, non 
verranno renderizzate nemmeno in grigio?

A me sembrerebbe più sensato che producessimo una lista dei tag che vorremmo 
vedere renderizzati nella mappa, e che venga assegnato di default un colore 
grigio senza assumere nulla né sull'apertura né sulla consegna a domicilio. A 
seconda dei valuti dei tag presenti già in OSM (o via via assegnati dagli 
utenti in ca reste ouvert) le icone di quelle attività si dovrebbero colorare 
di rosso o verde.

Come funziona invece nella realtà?

grazie,

Ale


On 19/04/20 12:44, Nap Osm wrote:
Guarda, a quanto ho capito, non viene etichettato come aperto, anzi si chiede 
all' utente se sia aperto o meno. Ora ti linko un esempio: 
https://www.caresteouvert.fr/@52.508521,13.323809,13.46/place/n3530849176 come 
puoi vedere viene detto che "legalmente dovrebbe essere aperto" ma poi chiede 
all' utente di far sapere se è aperto o meno, aggiungendo poi il tag su OSM (lo 
fa in automatico). Quindi alla fine noi, segnalando ad esempio che barbieri, 
gelaterie ecc. sono chiusi, facciamo sapere solo al database che su tutto il 
territorio sono chiusi, quindi è inutile mostrarli agli utenti. Poi per quei 
negozi come tabaccherie, edicole ecc. che restano aperti vengono segnalati come 
grigi (quindi sconosciuti) e sta agli utenti segnalare l' apertura o meno del 
negozio. Non viene assolutamente segnalato come aperto di default. Quindi 
secondo me non è una cattiva idea aderire, anche perché hanno sviluppato anche 
un' app. Per chi la volesse vedere metto i link qui sotto.

F-DROID : https://f-droid.org/fr/packages/com.transway.caresteouvert/
GOOGLE PLAY : 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.transway.caresteouvert
APP STORE : https://apps.apple.com/fr/app/%C3%A7a-reste-ouvert/id1506199151
[https://is4-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Purple123/v4/eb/c9/67/ebc967df-732b-74d1-b841-774c6eec40a0/AppIcon-1x_U007emarketing-0-10-0-85-220.png/1200x630wa.png]
‎Ça reste 
ouvert
‎« Ça reste ouvert » : la carte collaborative des lieux ouverts durant le 
confinement. La carte indispensable pour éviter les déplacements infructueux 
autour de chez vous durant le confinement et limiter ainsi le risque de 
contagion. Cette carte collaborative vous permet de partager simplement les…
apps.apple.com

Io non l'ho ancora provate, ma penso funzioni anche con gli altri paesi che 
hanno aderito come con il sito. Inoltre se dovessero inserire realmente i dati 
su OsmAnd sarebbe davvero ottimo. Fammi sapere cosa ne pensi, se ti ho fatto 
cambiare idea 
[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/EZguTIKVUx1YobLWqwnn6iRUxkdVRqeQYvJ8YSn6m-CX31k9WXYvxVLtcAa-BnzHaz9a]
Ça reste ouvert - Apps on Google 
Play
La carte indispensable pour éviter les déplacements infructueux autour de chez 
vous durant le confinement et limiter ainsi le risque de contagion. Cette carte 
collaborative vous permet de partager 

Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"

[Nap Osm]

Qui c'è un problema ad esempio ovvero che in Campania i ristoranti non possono 
fare consegne quindi secondo me una distinzione per regione va fatta. Questo 
ere il senso della lista.

From: Martin Koppenhoefer 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:35 PM
To: openstreetmap list - italiano 
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"



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> On 20. Apr 2020, at 01:31, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:
>
> Potenziale problema potrebbero essere combinazioni, per esempio tabaccai con 
> bar, perché bar sono sempre chiusi mentre tabaccai potrebbero essere aperti. 
> Quindi nel dubbio deve prevalere “il grigio”.


anche i ristoranti: si, non ci puoi andare a mangiare, invece in asporto oppure 
con consegna a casa potrebbero essere “aperti”

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Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"

[Nap Osm]

1. No, ma infatti noi qui in Italia le catene le lasciamo stare, lessi già che 
si voleva fare così, io sono d' accordo. Se è a scelta io proporrei di mettere 
i pallini sempre grigi, infatti.

2. Credo e spero funzioni così... Credo che alla fine gli aperti abbiano un 
peso maggiore rispetto ai chiusi.

From: Martin Koppenhoefer 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:31 PM
To: openstreetmap list - italiano 
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"



sent from a phone

> On 19. Apr 2020, at 12:44, Nap Osm  wrote:
>
> Poi per quei negozi come tabaccherie, edicole ecc. che restano aperti vengono 
> segnalati come grigi (quindi sconosciuti) e sta agli utenti segnalare l' 
> apertura o meno del negozio. Non viene assolutamente segnalato come aperto di 
> default.


ok, allora lo avevo confuso, perché in Germania era capitato che avevano messo 
regole del tipo “tutti i Carrefour hanno gli stessi orari durante il covid19”, 
quindi dei brand nella lista json indicavano i default (e ovviamente il primo 
caso discusso era sbagliato con il risultato di centinaia di errori sulla 
mappa). Se invece la distinzione è tra “sicuramente chiuso” e “da verificare”, 
allora va benissimo.

Potenziale problema potrebbero essere combinazioni, per esempio tabaccai con 
bar, perché bar sono sempre chiusi mentre tabaccai potrebbero essere aperti. 
Quindi nel dubbio deve prevalere “il grigio”.

Ciao Martin
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Re: [Talk-lv] Ciemu administrātīvas robežas

[Maris Nartiss]

Forši :-)

Administratīvā reforma neietekmēs ciemu robežas, jo pašvaldībai būs
jāpieņem lēmums par to, vai ciema statusu piešķirt vai noņemt, kā arī
par to, vai grozīt spēkā esošo ciema robežu. Tātad — viss tieši tā
pat, kā ir šobrīd — mums katram ciemam jāseko līdzi atsevišķi.

Ciemu robežas no VZD joprojām nevaram saņemt (autortiesību likuma 5.
panta 3. punkts), savukārt no terplāna — nav problēmu, jo uz terplānu
attiecas autortiesību likuma 6. panta 1. un 3. daļa. Vienīgā problēma
— jāseko līdzi pašvaldību izsludinātajām izmaiņām un jāskrāpē ārā no
terplāna grafiskās daļas. Nav nekāda raķešzinātne, taču cilvēkstundas
apēd.

Ir gan vēl jāatrisina semantiskā problēma — ne visiem ciemiem Latvijā
ir robežas...
„Administratīvo teritoriju un apdzīvoto vietu“ likums nosaka, ka
„Ciema statusu piešķir un atceļ novada dome, pamatojoties uz vietējās
pašvaldības teritorijas plānojumu“. Ja teritorijas plānotāji bija
cītīgi, tad pašvaldībā visām apdzīvotajām vietām, kuru nosaukumos ir
„ciems“, uzzīmēja kontūru terplānā. Savukārt, ja noslinkoja, tad
izveidojās 4217 ciemi, kuriem nav robežu.[1] Tad nu atbilstoši arī
VARAM priekšlikums, ka ir „divu ātrumu“ ciemi, lai ciems, kurā nav
palikusi neviena apdzīvota māja, joprojām varētu saukties ciems, jo
visi vietējie to tik un tā sauks par ciemu, bet uz to neattiektos
pilsētām domātā likumdošana...

1. http://varam.gov.lv/lat/lidzd/pazinojumi_par_lidzdalibas_iesp/?doc=25458

Māris.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [ca reste ouvert] Services publics ouverts sans accès pour le public

[Vincent Bergeot]

Le 19/04/2020 à 22:39, Frantz a écrit :

19 avril 2020 21:17 "Vincent Bergeot"  a écrit:


Le 19/04/2020 à 20:23, Frantz a écrit :

une parmi les autres :
https://www.caresteouvert.fr/@42.883708,-0.024397,20.93/place/w200322599

cela fait partie des exemples où le access:covid19=no me semblerait
intéressant. Pour bien spécifier la fermeture au public.

Fait. Par contre je viens de voir qu'il y avait une autre mairie sur la même 
place au nord.
Si quelqu'un a déjà visité ce village pour trancher...


salut, je pose la question à l'office de tourisme de gavarnie

merci du signalement, et ne pas hésiter à laisser une note, normalement 
les agents de l'office de tourisme sont formés et suivent maintenant !


je l'ai créée https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2165569 et je leur signale.

Merci

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Re: [talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 507

[<0174]

Ahoj a díky za další číslo,
jen bych doplnil k:

* Phyks se ptá
,
zda může být cyklostezka (cycleway) omezena pouze na horská kola, protože
mu přijde, že dokumentace highway=cycleway je spíše pro městskou
cyklistiku. Jsme si jisti, že alespoň jedna z více než 80 odpovědí

na mail listu mu pomohla s jeho problémem. *

Jedním z výsledků je návrh
 na
novou hodnotu tagu *path=mtb*. Ať už projde, nebo ne, jsem rád, že se to
řeší, protože jako chodec bych se raději vyhnul cestám využívaným jako
traily (překážky, cyklisté s vysokou kinetickou energií) a jako horský
cyklista budu rád, když budu moci najít nová místa na ježdění (tedy v
teorii, v praxi většinou zmapovaná nejsou).

<0174

ne 19. 4. 2020 v 18:35 odesílatel Tom Ka  napsal:

> Ahoj, je dostupné vydání 507 týdeníku WeeklyOSM:
>
> https://weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/13046
>
> * První online mapathon.
> * Exporty na freemap.sk.
> * Otvírací doba v karanténě.
> * Otevřená místa nejen pro Francii.
> * Jak na geo firmu?
> * Zavírání poznámek v Rusku.
> * Bezplatné členství.
> * Výbor pro mikrogranty.
> * Historická paměť měst.
> * Body zájmu pro iOS.
> * Nová verze JOSM.
> * ArcGIS vrstvy z OSM.
>
> Pěkné počtení ...
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Adesione italiana a portale "Ca reste ouvert"

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Ciao Naposm,

grazie per seguire questa attività. Avevo attivato io l'issue per 
l'Italia in github ma non sono riuscito poi a dare seguito.


Non ho capito del tutto cosa viene rappresentato nella mappa e con che 
default. Sapiamo ad esempio che le pasticcerie o le pizzerie sono 
chiuse, ma molti fanno le consegne a domicilio: se mettiamo nella "tua" 
lista il valore chiuso, non verranno renderizzate nemmeno in grigio?


A me sembrerebbe più sensato che producessimo una lista dei tag che 
vorremmo vedere renderizzati nella mappa, e che venga assegnato di 
default un colore grigio senza assumere nulla né sull'apertura né sulla 
consegna a domicilio. A seconda dei valuti dei tag presenti già in OSM 
(o via via assegnati dagli utenti in ca reste ouvert) le icone di quelle 
attività si dovrebbero colorare di rosso o verde.


Come funziona invece nella realtà?

grazie,

Ale


On 19/04/20 12:44, Nap Osm wrote:
Guarda, a quanto ho capito, non viene etichettato come aperto, anzi si 
chiede all' utente se sia aperto o meno. Ora ti linko un esempio: 
https://www.caresteouvert.fr/@52.508521,13.323809,13.46/place/n3530849176 
come puoi vedere viene detto che "legalmente dovrebbe essere aperto" 
ma poi chiede all' utente di far sapere se è aperto o meno, 
aggiungendo poi il tag su OSM (lo fa in automatico). Quindi alla fine 
noi, segnalando ad esempio che barbieri, gelaterie ecc. sono chiusi, 
facciamo sapere solo al database che su tutto il territorio sono 
chiusi, quindi è inutile mostrarli agli utenti. Poi per quei negozi 
come tabaccherie, edicole ecc. che restano aperti vengono segnalati 
come grigi (quindi sconosciuti) e sta agli utenti segnalare l' 
apertura o meno del negozio. Non viene assolutamente segnalato come 
aperto di default. Quindi secondo me non è una cattiva idea aderire, 
anche perché hanno sviluppato anche un' app. Per chi la volesse vedere 
metto i link qui sotto.


F-DROID : https://f-droid.org/fr/packages/com.transway.caresteouvert/ 

GOOGLE PLAY : 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.transway.caresteouvert
APP STORE : 
https://apps.apple.com/fr/app/%C3%A7a-reste-ouvert/id1506199151



‎Ça reste ouvert 

‎« Ça reste ouvert » : la carte collaborative des lieux ouverts durant 
le confinement. La carte indispensable pour éviter les déplacements 
infructueux autour de chez vous durant le confinement et limiter ainsi 
le risque de contagion. Cette carte collaborative vous permet de 
partager simplement les…

apps.apple.com


Io non l'ho ancora provate, ma penso funzioni anche con gli altri 
paesi che hanno aderito come con il sito. Inoltre se dovessero 
inserire realmente i dati su OsmAnd sarebbe davvero ottimo. Fammi 
sapere cosa ne pensi, se ti ho fatto cambiare idea 



Ça reste ouvert - Apps on Google Play 

La carte indispensable pour éviter les déplacements infructueux autour 
de chez vous durant le confinement et limiter ainsi le risque de 
contagion. Cette carte collaborative vous permet de partager 
simplement les lieux ouverts ou fermés dans votre quartier durant le 
confinement. C’est la manière la plus efficace et la plus solidaire 
pour informer au mieux vos voisins et les habitants de votre ville. 
PRINCIPE : Trouvez un lieu proche de chez vous (ou de l’autre coté de 
la France) Il est rouge : le lieu est fermé Il est vert : le lieu est 
ouvert. Découvrez ses horaires d’ouverture durant le confinement et 
plus encore Il est gris : Ouvert ou fermé ? À vous de le dire ! 
OPENSTREETMAP : Notre équipe bénévole est déterminée à se mobiliser en 
urgence pour répondre à la crise sanitaire actuelle. Nous sommes tous 
des contributeurs OpenStreetMap passionnés. OpenStreetMap est « le 
Wikipédia de la cartographie », une communauté mondiale coordonnée, 
auto-organisée, créant des données libreme

play.google.com





Ça reste ouvert 

« Ça reste ouvert » est l’outil indispensable pour éviter les 
déplacements infructueux autour de chez vous durant le confinement et 
limiter ainsi le risque de contagion. Cette carte collaborative vous 
permet de partager simplement les lieux ouverts ou fermés dans votre 
quartier. C’est la manière la plus efficace et la plus solidaire pour 
informer au mieux vos voisins et les habitants de votre ville.

www.caresteouvert.fr



*From:* Martin Koppenhoefer 
*Sent:* Sunday, April 19, 2020 10:31 AM
*To:* openstreetmap list - italiano 
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-it] Adesione 

Re: [Talk-it] Violazione attribuzione ANSA

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 20. Apr 2020, at 08:25, Max1234Ita  wrote:
> 
> Credo che tanti problemi non ci sarebbero nemmeno, se a livello di rendering
> venisse generato un watermark sulle tile di OSM... non tutte, una ogni
> tanto, in modo che prendendo uno screenshot la dicitura (c) OpenStreetMap
> compaia almeno una volta.


certo, potremmo forzare una sorta di attribuzione, ma ciò non toglie la carenza 
di ANSA in ques contesto. Sarei sempre per una risposta soft in confronto a 
tutti i privati e senza scopo di lucro, nonché a tutti gli attori commerciali, 
ma quest’ultimi per una o due volte, non di continuo e per anni...

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [ca reste ouvert] Services publics ouverts sans accès pour le public

[Frantz]

Bonjour,

20 avril 2020 00:24 "Donat ROBAUX"  a écrit:

> Pour la mairie, si tu as les numéros adresse sur la place, regarde sur
> lannuaire.service public.fr. Les adresses des mairies sont en principe à
> jour et c'est en OpenData.

Non, pas de numéro malheureusement, et le cadastre indique la maire à un 3ème 
endroit :D

-- 
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Re: [Talk-it] Violazione attribuzione ANSA

[Max1234Ita]

Credo che tanti problemi non ci sarebbero nemmeno, se a livello di rendering
venisse generato un watermark sulle tile di OSM... non tutte, una ogni
tanto, in modo che prendendo uno screenshot la dicitura (c) OpenStreetMap
compaia almeno una volta.

My '5 Lire', da parte di uno che di queste cose ne capisce relativamente
poco :)
Max



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