Re: [Talk-GB] Solar panels 150k up
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-020-0469-8 Harmonised global datasets of wind and solar farm locations and power Abstract Energy systems need decarbonisation in order to limit global warming to within safe limits. While global land planners are promising more of the planet’s limited space to wind and solar photovoltaic, there is little information on where current infrastructure is located. The majority of recent studies use land suitability for wind and solar, coupled with technical and socioeconomic constraints, as a proxy for actual location data. Here, we address this shortcoming. Using readily accessible OpenStreetMap data we present, to our knowledge, the first global, open-access, harmonised spatial datasets of wind and solar installations. We also include user friendly code to enable users to easily create newer versions of the dataset. Finally, we include first order estimates of power capacities of installations. We anticipate these data will be of widespread interest within global studies of the future potential and trade-offs associated with the global decarbonisation of energy systems. On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 15:49, Christian Ledermann < christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great work :-) > > On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 14:17, Jez Nicholson > wrote: > >> "100%, 100%!!!" >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:47 PM Jez Nicholson >> wrote: >> >>> Of approximately 300 ground-mounted solar farms (field(s) full of solar >>> panels generating >=1MW) in the UK we have around 12 remaining to >>> locatewhich, quite frankly, is astounding. I am getting ready to run >>> around my study shouting, "100%, 100%!!!" as soon as I get a few more hours >>> to complete the list. Most are a simple boundary outline. It is common to >>> have a 'deer fence' around the installation and this makes for a nice >>> boundary, some are detailed with individual banks of panels. I favour >>> progressive enhancement of sites over time. Thank you to everyone involved. >>> >>> There are approximately 740 roof-mounted solar farms. I have not made >>> any attempt yet to collate or locate them. My limited experience is that >>> these are harder to armchair-map. >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:07 PM Gregory Williams < >>> greg...@gregorywilliams.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 2020-05-12 at 11:08 +0100, SK53 wrote: >>>> > Just would like to point out that we passed the 150,000 mark of solar >>>> > panels mapped in the UK. Dan & Jez are best informed about solar >>>> > farms, so the rest of this update is on small domestic rooftop >>>> > installations. >>>> > >>>> > A number of us continue to spend time mapping rooftop panels, and, >>>> > although progress is not at the heady rate of last Summer, this has >>>> > resulted in improved coverage of a number of local authorities. These >>>> > are the activities of which I'm aware, there are no doubt others I've >>>> > missed: >>>> > I mainly aim to push reasonably well-mapped LAs over various >>>> > thresholds (50%, 60% & 80% are the ones I find most useful), and to >>>> > try & create a contiguous band of well-mapped (>50%) across England & >>>> > Wales. Recently I've worked on Flintshire, Hinckley & Bosworth and >>>> > Vale Royal. >>>> > gurglypipe continues to spread out beyond Lancaster into South Lakes >>>> > to the N & Ribbledale and to the S >>>> > brianboru continues to pick up a significant number of installations >>>> > across Herefordshire & the Welsh Valleys as part of general mapping >>>> > work >>>> > Gregory Williams continues to focus on hotspot unmapped LSOAs >>>> > MapRoulette users make a steady contribution by converting panels >>>> > mapped as nodes to areas >>>> > Gregory has recently updated the FIT data to March which added >>>> > perhaps 20,000 additional installations. To deal with these he had to >>>> > change the LA boundaries used to incorporate unitary authorities >>>> > (affecting Cheshire, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Shropshire, Northumberland >>>> > & perhaps others). One consequence is that some well-mapped districts >>>> > dropped below thresholds, so I've been working over the last few days >>>> > to restore them if possible (Ashford, Hart & Rugby still to be hauled >>>> > back over 50%). Very kindly, he agreed to ret
Re: [Talk-GB] INSPIRE Polygons spatial data
I was thinking along the lines:
A WM(T)S base map of overlayed/consolidated inspire/ordnance survey, not
revealing any of the postcodes and internal ids
ianal but imho that would not violate any of the licences
On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 20:35, SK53 wrote:
> It's always been useless to us. However the terms have changed since the
> original release (basically IIRC to make the restrictions more explicit).
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 19:48, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB <
> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> Is
>> "Although the data is released under the OGL, there is an
>> important caveat: third party rights the Information Provider is not
>> authorised to license"
>> is still applicable what makes it basically useless for us?
>>
>> May 16, 2020, 16:47 by christian.lederm...@gmail.com:
>>
>> Reading through the inspire land registry data, it seems they have
>> adjusted their licence:
>> What would that mean for use in OSM?
>>
>>
>> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/inspire-index-polygons-spatial-data#conditions-of-use
>>
>> Conditions of use
>>
>> Your use of the INSPIRE Index Polygons service is governed by conditions.
>>
>> The INSPIRE Index Polygons and attributes provided in this service are
>> available for use and reuse under the Open Government Licence (OGL)
>> <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/>.
>> This licence enables public bodies to make their data available free of
>> charge for reuse.
>>
>> Use under the OGL is free. If you fail to comply with any of the
>> conditions of the OGL then the rights granted to you under the licence
>> will end automatically.
>>
>> Under the OGL, when reusing the data you must acknowledge the source of
>> the data and include the following attribution statement:
>>
>> This information is subject to Crown copyright and is reproduced with the
>> permission of HM Land Registry.
>>
>> If you are reusing the polygons (including the associated geometry,
>> namely x, y co-ordinates), you must also display the following Ordnance
>> Survey copyright/database right notice:
>>
>> © Crown copyright and database rights [year of supply or date of
>> publication] Ordnance Survey 100026316.
>>
>> You must provide a link to these conditions, where possible.
>>
>> Under the OGL, HM Land Registry permits you to use the data for
>> commercial or non-commercial purposes. However, as the licence says, OGL does
>> not cover the use of third party rights which we are not authorised to
>> license. HM Land Registry uses Ordnance Survey data in the preparation of
>> the polygons and you will need to comply with Ordnance Survey licensing
>> terms for use of the polygons (including the associated geometry, namely
>> x,y co-ordinates).
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Solar panels 150k up
Great work :-)
On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 14:17, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> "100%, 100%!!!"
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:47 PM Jez Nicholson
> wrote:
>
>> Of approximately 300 ground-mounted solar farms (field(s) full of solar
>> panels generating >=1MW) in the UK we have around 12 remaining to
>> locatewhich, quite frankly, is astounding. I am getting ready to run
>> around my study shouting, "100%, 100%!!!" as soon as I get a few more hours
>> to complete the list. Most are a simple boundary outline. It is common to
>> have a 'deer fence' around the installation and this makes for a nice
>> boundary, some are detailed with individual banks of panels. I favour
>> progressive enhancement of sites over time. Thank you to everyone involved.
>>
>> There are approximately 740 roof-mounted solar farms. I have not made any
>> attempt yet to collate or locate them. My limited experience is that these
>> are harder to armchair-map.
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:07 PM Gregory Williams <
>> greg...@gregorywilliams.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2020-05-12 at 11:08 +0100, SK53 wrote:
>>> > Just would like to point out that we passed the 150,000 mark of solar
>>> > panels mapped in the UK. Dan & Jez are best informed about solar
>>> > farms, so the rest of this update is on small domestic rooftop
>>> > installations.
>>> >
>>> > A number of us continue to spend time mapping rooftop panels, and,
>>> > although progress is not at the heady rate of last Summer, this has
>>> > resulted in improved coverage of a number of local authorities. These
>>> > are the activities of which I'm aware, there are no doubt others I've
>>> > missed:
>>> > I mainly aim to push reasonably well-mapped LAs over various
>>> > thresholds (50%, 60% & 80% are the ones I find most useful), and to
>>> > try & create a contiguous band of well-mapped (>50%) across England &
>>> > Wales. Recently I've worked on Flintshire, Hinckley & Bosworth and
>>> > Vale Royal.
>>> > gurglypipe continues to spread out beyond Lancaster into South Lakes
>>> > to the N & Ribbledale and to the S
>>> > brianboru continues to pick up a significant number of installations
>>> > across Herefordshire & the Welsh Valleys as part of general mapping
>>> > work
>>> > Gregory Williams continues to focus on hotspot unmapped LSOAs
>>> > MapRoulette users make a steady contribution by converting panels
>>> > mapped as nodes to areas
>>> > Gregory has recently updated the FIT data to March which added
>>> > perhaps 20,000 additional installations. To deal with these he had to
>>> > change the LA boundaries used to incorporate unitary authorities
>>> > (affecting Cheshire, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Shropshire, Northumberland
>>> > & perhaps others). One consequence is that some well-mapped districts
>>> > dropped below thresholds, so I've been working over the last few days
>>> > to restore them if possible (Ashford, Hart & Rugby still to be hauled
>>> > back over 50%). Very kindly, he agreed to retain the original
>>> > district boundaries on a distinct web page, because I found working
>>> > with the old districts of large rural counties more useful than the
>>> > new boundaries.
>>>
>>> The distinct web page is at:
>>> http://osm.gregorywilliams.me.uk/solar_2001/
>>>
>>> I also hope to soon have LSOA-level detail on the Scottish pages, which
>>> should help with locating PV installations from aerial imagery more
>>> easily -- I'm conscious that it's a bit difficult at the moment, with
>>> the areas being so physically large.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > As well as adding new panels here's still plenty to do with the ones
>>> > already mapped: adding buildings under mapped panels, adjusting
>>> > position, adding number of panels and orientation.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks to all who have contributed.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Jerry
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[Talk-GB] INSPIRE Polygons spatial data
Reading through the inspire land registry data, it seems they have adjusted
their licence:
What would that mean for use in OSM?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/inspire-index-polygons-spatial-data#conditions-of-use
Conditions of use
Your use of the INSPIRE Index Polygons service is governed by conditions.
The INSPIRE Index Polygons and attributes provided in this service are
available for use and reuse under the Open Government Licence (OGL)
<http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/>.
This licence enables public bodies to make their data available free of
charge for reuse.
Use under the OGL is free. If you fail to comply with any of the conditions
of the OGL then the rights granted to you under the licence will end
automatically.
Under the OGL, when reusing the data you must acknowledge the source of the
data and include the following attribution statement:
This information is subject to Crown copyright and is reproduced with the
permission of HM Land Registry.
If you are reusing the polygons (including the associated geometry, namely
x, y co-ordinates), you must also display the following Ordnance Survey
copyright/database right notice:
© Crown copyright and database rights [year of supply or date of
publication] Ordnance Survey 100026316.
You must provide a link to these conditions, where possible.
Under the OGL, HM Land Registry permits you to use the data for commercial
or non-commercial purposes. However, as the licence says, OGL does not
cover the use of third party rights which we are not authorised to license.
HM Land Registry uses Ordnance Survey data in the preparation of the
polygons and you will need to comply with Ordnance Survey licensing terms
for use of the polygons (including the associated geometry, namely x,y
co-ordinates).
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Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations
On 6 November 2017 at 15:45, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
> On 3 November 2017 at 09:55, Ilya Zverev <i...@zverev.info> wrote:
>
>> You might remember a few months ago I discussed here importing of Shell fuel
>> stations. The data provider is Navads, which has a contract with Shell for
>> putting their stations on the map. They asked me to proceed with the import
>> and sent an updated list of the stations. I have prepared an import and
>> would like to do it in a few days.
>>
>> Please help me review the data.
>
> Some years ago, we had a data donation, here in the United Kingdom, of
> data on cycle shops. These were imported into a tool which (if memory
> serves) enabled users to compare them to existing entries, and import
> the data to them if useful, or add new objects if necessary. I recall
> that it didn't take long for the UK community to process them.
>
> Can that tool not be repurposed, and thereby avoid the friction that
> imports like this seem sadly to cause?
there is also https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase for crowd
import which powers https://schools.mapthe.uk/
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[Talk-GB] Heritage in Flanders and Crowd-Sourced Projects
http://www.osm.be/2017/04/01/en-project-heritage-crowd-sourced.html
reading this and thinking about the open data of historic england and
historic scotland this could be replicated in the UK
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: [HOT] Study: validation feedback can provide important social affirmation
Sorry for crossposting, I thought this is valuable information
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From: Martin Dittus <mar...@dekstop.de>
Date: 8 February 2017 at 00:34
Subject: [HOT] Study: validation feedback can provide important social
affirmation
To: HOT List <h...@openstreetmap.org>
After my talk at State of the Map in Brussels, Nick Allen asked: are
newcomers more likely to be retained if we give them positive
validation feedback? I had no answer at the time, but Tyler kindly
gave me permission to look at the data to find out. The resulting
findings are now under peer review, and I will share the full research
once the process has concluded.
In the meantime, I just posted a diary entry with the key findings:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/40421
Do post a comment in case you have any questions. Or maybe you have
made your own observations that can contribute to a better
understanding of the impact of validation?
Greetings from London,
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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap as a data source for visually impaired people
http://www.maproomblog.com/2016/02/3d-printed-maps-for-the-blind-and-visually-impaired/
may be of help
On 25 January 2017 at 16:31, SK53 <sk53@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure under-researched is the right term.
>
> A blind friend, now dead, was participating as a subject in a research
> project on the geographical awareness of blind people back in the 1960s.
> Using OSM for providing data and applications for the visually impaired has
> been an active subject since at least 2008: see for example
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Visual_Impairment.
>
> I don't have off-hand a list of recent research in the area. I'm sure there
> have been a number of undergraduate research projects using OSM data.
>
> However, the major issue generally is actually translating research into
> something usable in a practical way by visually impaired people.
>
> The practical constraints I'm aware of:
>
> OSM rarely contains enough consistent detail of things like tactile paving,
> existence of pavements, street furniture obstacles, boundary features of
> pedestrian ways etc.
> The difficulty of keeping the above information up-to-date.
> OSM generally maps centre lines not the edges of features. Many blind people
> make extensive usage of edges for navigation, but also to ensure their
> safety.
> The level of detail apparently needed is vast: well beyond what is feasible
> for ordinary mappers to collect.
> GPS accuracy whilst perfectly adequate for standard routing for pedestrians
> using OSM, may not be accurate enough when the two pavements of a road have
> very different characteristics.
>
> Additionally, as for wheelchair users, it may be that the specific
> requirements of each visually impaired user are different.
>
> Probably the area which is most immediately useful is the ability to produce
> tactile maps from OSM using 3-D printing. These can be used by people to
> gain an awareness of unfamiliar areas. Once again most examples I'm aware of
> one-off demonstrations by university researchers or hobbyists associated
> with hackspaces.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> On 25 January 2017 at 15:35, Dave Dowding <davedowd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I'm studying Geographic Information Systems and am doing a dissertation on
>> whether OSM data is a good data sources for visually impaired people. The
>> evaluation of different geographic data sources for visually impaired people
>> seems to be under researched, though very important for those who need the
>> data.
>> I hope to be able to be able to come up with some ways to improve the OSM
>> data for visually impaired people and to create an map to show geographical
>> areas where more data is needed.
>> To help me with the project I would appreciate your help in filling in a
>> survey at
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeVTB0m1CV6zJ_5ZG9dq0l-lAq7KkdsWrnlmdUPq6THoSR3Yw/viewform
>> More information about the project can be found at
>> http://dowd.in/diss.htm. Any advice or feedback appreciated.
>>
>> Many Thanks
>>
>> Dave
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[Talk-GB] John Watson School, Oxford
when I look at:
https://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/7410/
there seem to be 3 schools on the same schoolground:
Wheatley Nursery School (0.0 m)
source:name = edubase
amenity = school
name = Wheatley Nursery School
ref:edubase = 122983
source:geometry = OS_Open_Map_Local_FunctionalSite
addr:city = Oxford
phone = +441865452725
addr:postcode = OX33 1NN
source:addr = edubase
addr:country = GB
addr:street = Littleworth Road
John Watson School (0.0 m)
website = www.johnwatsonschool.org
source:name = edubase
amenity = school
name = John Watson School
ref:edubase = 12
source:geometry = OS_Open_Map_Local_FunctionalSite
addr:city = Oxford
phone = +441865452725
addr:postcode = OX33 1NN
source:addr = edubase
addr:country = GB
addr:street = Littleworth Road
Wheatley Church of England Primary School (0.0 m)
website = www.wheatley.oxon.sch.uk
source:name = edubase
amenity = school
name = Wheatley Church of England Primary School
ref:edubase = 140344
source:geometry = OS_Open_Map_Local_FunctionalSite
addr:city = Oxford
phone = +441865872366
addr:postcode = OX33 1NN
source:addr = edubase
addr:country = GB
addr:street = Littleworth Road
How to map this?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Autumn Quarterly Project
On 3 October 2016 at 10:07, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> The need for two sources of information is a only personal preference of
> SK53. You can choose to follow it or not.
>
> Certainly we'd like to increase postcode and address data and this can be
> entered from the fhsr data.
> It's likely to be accurate 95% of the time.
> Personally I think we can live with this.
+1 You will never ever get 100% accurate data, no matter what source.
>Hence my suggestion we semi- or
> completely automate it (not currently the most popular of approaches)
>
> As always ground surveys win the argument but we currently lack the scale of
> mappers on the ground.
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 2 October 2016 at 22:38, John Aldridge <j...@cantab.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 02-Oct-16 17:30, SK53 wrote:
>>>
>>> My personal rules on this have always been two independent sources of
>>> information OR a survey...
>>
>>
>>> FHRS data should contain full address details most of the time, so there
>>> should be no need to add anything from the website other than the url...
>>
>>
>> By url do you mean the fhrs:id tag?
>>
>>
>> I'm confused, then, by the assertions on the web page for this project
>>
>>>
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2016_Q4_Project:_Food_Hygiene_Ratings
>>
>>
>> that
>>
>> (a) this process might be completely automated [how does that square with
>> requiring two sources of information], and
>>
>> (b) that one of the goals is to accelerate our completion of UK postcode
>> data [I'd assumed that implied we needed at least to add addr:postcode too,
>> with or without further checks]
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes
OS Codepoint also does not include the postcodes for the Isle of Man
and the channel islands.
Is there an open data source for theses postcodes?
On 26 September 2016 at 09:01, Gervase Markham <gerv-gm...@gerv.net> wrote:
> On 25/09/16 21:47, Owen Boswarva wrote:
>> I can't see any reason why there should be a problem using Code-Point
>> Open in OSM, now that Ordnance Survey has applied the Open Government
>> Licence in place of its own licence. If you read further down, the wiki
>> page gives examples of OSM projects that use Code-Point Open.
>
> OK, that's good news. What's the quickest route to getting Nominatim to
> understand this data set? File a Nominatim bug to get the search engine
> to import the data set directly? Or add 500,000ish points to OSM itself
> with something like type = "postcode_centre"?
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http://www.slideshare.net/ledersocke/map-the-schools-uk-pycon-2016-lightning-talk
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools
and just for clarification:
If a schoolground consists of several polygons it will be added as
before as a multipolygon.
the tags get added to the relation not the individual ways it is made out of.
On 5 August 2016 at 17:13, Christian Ledermann
<christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I changed the logic, example changeset:
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404
>
> 1) single polygons are rendered as ways, with the same tags as before
> plus area=yes
> 2) when it is a single polygon the holes get ignored
>
> Thanks for all your input this was very helpful :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 August 2016 at 16:37, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote:
>>
>> What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who add
>> data.
>> If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to ensure
>> I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all members.
>> A bit irritating when I find it's solitary.
>>
>> Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have to edit
>> one object?
>
> In this case yes, the tags are on the relation
>
>>
>> Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind when
>> you say you have to "search for all members".
>>
>> //colin
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools
I changed the logic, example changeset:
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/90404
1) single polygons are rendered as ways, with the same tags as before
plus area=yes
2) when it is a single polygon the holes get ignored
Thanks for all your input this was very helpful :-)
On 5 August 2016 at 16:37, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> On 2016-08-05 17:10, Dave F wrote:
>
> What I meant was, it makes it more time consuming for those mappers who add
> data.
> If the school (or whatever) needs to be edited & I see it's an MP, to ensure
> I'm amending all instances correctly I have to do a search for all members.
> A bit irritating when I find it's solitary.
>
> Surely the tags should be on the MP relation, so you still only have to edit
> one object?
In this case yes, the tags are on the relation
>
> Otherwise, maybe you could illustrate what use case you have in mind when
> you say you have to "search for all members".
>
> //colin
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools
I chose Multipolygon because schoolgrounds may consist of more than 1
polygon e.g both sides of a street:
--
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon says:
... this model only works for areas the outline of which consists of
one single way, and which do not have holes. Any area that is more
complex than that (e.g., because its outline consists of several ways
joined together, or because the area consists of multiple disjunct
parts, or has holes) requires a multipolygon relation.
A single polygon is just an edgcase of a multipolygon.
If the consensus is that schoolgrounds which consist only of a single
polygon (without holes) should be rather mapped as a closed way I can
change this
On 4 August 2016 at 18:39, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/08/2016 15:22, Andy Allan wrote:
>>
>>
>> I had a look at a few of these, and they seem to be simple shapes that
>> I'd normally tag on the ways (i.e. they are multipolygons with only a
>> single outer way). This seems strange to me - is it intended? Is it
>> desirable?
>>
>
> Maybe they'd be better as ways, but (assuming the data's OK of course)
> presumably they're better as relations than not mapped at all?
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] schools.mapthe.uk going live on Monday
On 29 July 2016 at 11:05, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29/07/16 10:55, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 29/07/16 08:33, Christian Ledermann wrote:
>>> As there were no objections on the talk-gb, imports mailinglist or in the
>>> wiki
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_schools
>>>
>>> schools.mapthe.uk will go live on Monday
>>
>> As long as it does not touch schools that have already been mapped
The OSM data is shown as a background and also the OSM features
tagged as amenity=school overlapping the OS polygon will be displayed.
It is up to the person mapping to flag it as `already in osm`
>> avoiding the low quality OS shape files! I spent a lot of time ensuring
>> school grounds were correctly mapped in the counties I worked on ...
>> rather than just fixing the nodes flagged by the comparison tools.
>
If a OS Polygon seems to be too low quality data, you can just flag it
as `not accurate`.
it will then be blocked and not be able to be added via this tool.
> OH and make sure to cross check the seed data against the actual schools
> data via the schools correct website.
The School website is linked if the data is available in seed/edubase
>Around 5% of the data I added to
> OSM has differences to that provided via seed and even seed acknowledge
> things are not fully up to date.
That will always be the case with any data - it should be more more accurate
than older manually added data in osm most of the times though.
If you'd like to improve the help at https://www.mapthe.uk/schools
I'll create an
account for you (the cms is pretty straight forward with in place editing)
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_schools
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site
I'd also like to see an aggregator like http://planetpython.org/ or http://planet.plone.org/ to have a central place where all UK OSM related blogs are consolidated which could be integrated in the main website (see http://iwlearn.net/news) As an aside I've been developing websites (most of them with a strong community background) for a living for over 10 years. On 1 July 2016 at 13:12, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > It very much depends what the focus of the website is and how it is > going to be used. > From a sysadmins point of view i am weary about wordpress (or joomla, > drupal) because > it requires constant vigilance to install the latest version and > patches, which are quite frequent > so the initial setup time becomes a moot point over the lifetime of a website. > > > Before I jump to conclusions which technology to suggest it would be > nice to gather requirements > so an informed decision can be made. > > > On 1 July 2016 at 11:43, Harry Wood <m...@harrywood.co.uk> wrote: >> I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas. >> >> Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. >> I'm keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering >> unmaintained, or even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way >> for me to pro-actively fix them. >> >> Being easy to use, as an admin, is good... however that doesn't help >> somebody who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech >> savvy) UK OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit >> restrictive. In fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM >> websites. It's not so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively >> fix a niggle. >> >> I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one >> of the admins :-) >> >> A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of >> thing. But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be >> the most pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then >> that's certainly a problem with that idea. >> >> I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. >> It could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even >> have a chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to >> our community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think >> this idea is a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is >> built with) >> >> The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other >> discussion we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of >> the OSM UK organisation/community? >> >> Harry >> >> From: Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> >> To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> >> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50 >> Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site >> >> >> >> Hi Dennis, >> >> Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group >> should probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super >> easy to use and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all. >> >> To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to >> Webfaction dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. >> Ta-da a fully functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an >> application for simple (static) pages. This is how we drive the maps on >> mappa-mercia.org. >> >> >> Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia >> site wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. >> Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is >> too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to >> do the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as >> possible can be involved with keeping it maintained. >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > -- > Best Regards, > > Christian Ledermann > >
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site
It very much depends what the focus of the website is and how it is
going to be used.
From a sysadmins point of view i am weary about wordpress (or joomla,
drupal) because
it requires constant vigilance to install the latest version and
patches, which are quite frequent
so the initial setup time becomes a moot point over the lifetime of a website.
Before I jump to conclusions which technology to suggest it would be
nice to gather requirements
so an informed decision can be made.
On 1 July 2016 at 11:43, Harry Wood <m...@harrywood.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas.
>
> Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here.
> I'm keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering unmaintained,
> or even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way for me to
> pro-actively fix them.
>
> Being easy to use, as an admin, is good... however that doesn't help
> somebody who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech
> savvy) UK OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit
> restrictive. In fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM
> websites. It's not so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively
> fix a niggle.
>
> I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one of
> the admins :-)
>
> A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of
> thing. But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be
> the most pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then
> that's certainly a problem with that idea.
>
> I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content.
> It could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even
> have a chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to
> our community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think this
> idea is a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is built
> with)
>
> The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other discussion
> we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of the OSM UK
> organisation/community?
>
> Harry
>
> From: Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
> To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
> Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site
>
>
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group should
> probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super easy to
> use and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all.
>
> To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to
> Webfaction dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress.
> Ta-da a fully functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an
> application for simple (static) pages. This is how we drive the maps on
> mappa-mercia.org.
>
>
> Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia
> site wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died.
> Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is
> too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to
> do the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as
> possible can be involved with keeping it maintained.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Semi Automatic Import of schools
A new version is available for review at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ As I have heard no major objections from the community I will go ahead and move this to the imports mailing list. On 9 June 2016 at 20:50, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK I rolled out the new version, can you take another look? > > Thanks again for your detailed and helpful comments. > > On 9 June 2016 at 15:40, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) > <robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 9 June 2016 at 10:50, Christian Ledermann >> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'd like to propose to use http://schools.mapthe.uk for a semi automatic >>> import >>> of Ordonance Survey Open School grounds data combined with >>> edubase and seed data into OpenStreetMap. >>> >>> The Tool is available at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ >>> The sourcecode and documentation is available at >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase >>> >>> My tests with this tool are very encouraging, I'd like to go forward >>> to the imports mailing list with this proposal. >> >> I have a quick look at your tool, but I'm afraid the instances I was >> presented with initially left me rather confused about exactly what it >> is doing and where the data is coming from. (I didn't read the github >> readme to start with, as that looked from the start to be instructions >> for installing the app yourself, rather than how to use it.) I think >> that basic info should be provided on the page itself so users don't >> have to go elsewhere to find out what is what. It would also be good >> to have a better description of how things are selected / matched up >> between the datasets. In particular, is the tool trying to go through >> all school polygons in OS Open Map, or just those matched to an >> Edubase entry that doesn't have an existing ref:edubase match in OSM? >> Are you just matching / showing things based on proximity to the >> current OS Open Map polygon? >> >> The first few things I was shown were as follows: >> >> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22701/ -- The blue polygon seems to >> be for a churchyard, not a school. Why/how was is chosen / matched? Is >> it an error in OS Open Map perhaps? >> >> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22591/ -- There's a school name but >> no other data shown. Is this because there are no nearby edubase >> entries? (It would be helpful if the page says so.) This might not >> mean the site is not/no longer a school though, as it could be a >> satellite site for a school with a main address elsewhere. >> >> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/5733/ -- The red area is an existing >> OSM polygon, but this isn't made clear on the page. Also could the >> full set of tags be shown in the section at the bottom, ideally as a >> table? >> >> A few other comments / suggestions: >> >> * It would also be helpful if you could explicitly list the source >> data items their key data explicitly on your page view (as you already >> partially do with the OSM data) and also provide clickable links to >> the OSM object (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148997325) and >> full Edubase entry (e.g. >> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/establishment/summary.xhtml?urn=111777) >> to allow people to inspect them. >> >> * In the case where you think an OSM object already exists, could >> there be a button to add/replace the existing tags with the data you >> think is appropriate (ideally with an option to overwrite or preserve >> each existing tag that clashes)? Any maybe an option to completely >> replace/update the geometry too -- though this is a bit dangerous, as >> you'd have to be careful with what to do with the original nodes in >> case they were also being used for other things. >> >> * I don't think "os-open" is a suitable source tag if it's supposed to >> be referring to OS Open Map Local. Using something approximating the >> full name would be better as it is less ambiguous. "os-open" could be >> mistaken for a general tag referring to any of the OS OpenData >> products. >> >> * The tags to be added would be easier to read if they were presented >> as separate rows in a table. >> >> * Could the map layer switcher be shown open all the time? Before >> adding a polygon, one should really check the Satellite view, so this >> would save a click each time. >> >> * The height of the map view is annoying small on my large monitor. >> >> * Are you looking for
Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter
also there is https://openslides.org/ although I think this is
probably overkill.
On 1 July 2016 at 11:02, Christian Ledermann
<christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
> I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
> The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
> notifications and respond to discussions via email.
>
> I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
>> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Feel free to add comments.
>>
>> Rob
>> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
>> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
>> better). If you know more, please share.
>>
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>
>
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>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>
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Mobile : +44 7474997517
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter
Have you considered/evaluated https://www.discourse.org/ ?
I have used it (plone community, OKFN) and am quite fond of it
The email integration is very nice, you can get email push
notifications and respond to discussions via email.
I have not used loomio yet so I do not know how they compare
On 30 June 2016 at 18:40, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW here are my notes from when I researched collaboration tools (focused on
> communication and decision making, rather than projects)
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feel free to add comments.
>
> Rob
> p.s. I'm aware that OSMF use Wordpress, Loomio, Slack (at least the SotM WG
> have started with this although my own research suggested Fleep may be
> better). If you know more, please share.
>
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Next Quarterly Project
the best data I found is at http://cap-payments.defra.gov.uk/download.aspx
but it only contains the postcode prefix :-(
On 30 June 2016 at 19:45, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This resource from DEFRA shows 102,836 "holdings" in 2013. The Excel
> spreadsheet lists them by local authority. I haven't checked to see if it's
> OGL. If it is, is anybody up for modifying Robert Whittaker's postcode
> progress tool to show progress by LA (obviously it will just be a colour
> code of % progress as we don't have addresses with postcodes)
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 19:34, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 30/06/2016 18:13, Brian Prangle wrote:
>>>
>>> ... some farms seem to be little more than caravan storage, some have
>>> transformed into equestrian centres, small industrial parks or become just
>>> residential ...
>>
>>
>> Indeed, farms sounds like a good idea to me. Quite a few to the east of
>> me seem to have been added as nodes with "place=farm; name=whatever's on the
>> OS OpenData" (and sometimes name is just obviously desciptive, like "Poultry
>> Farm"). It'd be great to have landuse mapped instead of just a single node,
>> even if it does take a note and a subsequent survey visit to resolve what's
>> become just residential and what hasn't.
>>
>> Is any of the farm subsidy data open (in order to figure out which are
>> genuinely still farms)?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Andy
>>
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
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3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Semi Automatic Import of schools
OK I rolled out the new version, can you take another look? Thanks again for your detailed and helpful comments. On 9 June 2016 at 15:40, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 June 2016 at 10:50, Christian Ledermann > <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'd like to propose to use http://schools.mapthe.uk for a semi automatic >> import >> of Ordonance Survey Open School grounds data combined with >> edubase and seed data into OpenStreetMap. >> >> The Tool is available at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ >> The sourcecode and documentation is available at >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase >> >> My tests with this tool are very encouraging, I'd like to go forward >> to the imports mailing list with this proposal. > > I have a quick look at your tool, but I'm afraid the instances I was > presented with initially left me rather confused about exactly what it > is doing and where the data is coming from. (I didn't read the github > readme to start with, as that looked from the start to be instructions > for installing the app yourself, rather than how to use it.) I think > that basic info should be provided on the page itself so users don't > have to go elsewhere to find out what is what. It would also be good > to have a better description of how things are selected / matched up > between the datasets. In particular, is the tool trying to go through > all school polygons in OS Open Map, or just those matched to an > Edubase entry that doesn't have an existing ref:edubase match in OSM? > Are you just matching / showing things based on proximity to the > current OS Open Map polygon? > > The first few things I was shown were as follows: > > * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22701/ -- The blue polygon seems to > be for a churchyard, not a school. Why/how was is chosen / matched? Is > it an error in OS Open Map perhaps? > > * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22591/ -- There's a school name but > no other data shown. Is this because there are no nearby edubase > entries? (It would be helpful if the page says so.) This might not > mean the site is not/no longer a school though, as it could be a > satellite site for a school with a main address elsewhere. > > * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/5733/ -- The red area is an existing > OSM polygon, but this isn't made clear on the page. Also could the > full set of tags be shown in the section at the bottom, ideally as a > table? > > A few other comments / suggestions: > > * It would also be helpful if you could explicitly list the source > data items their key data explicitly on your page view (as you already > partially do with the OSM data) and also provide clickable links to > the OSM object (e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148997325) and > full Edubase entry (e.g. > http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/establishment/summary.xhtml?urn=111777) > to allow people to inspect them. > > * In the case where you think an OSM object already exists, could > there be a button to add/replace the existing tags with the data you > think is appropriate (ideally with an option to overwrite or preserve > each existing tag that clashes)? Any maybe an option to completely > replace/update the geometry too -- though this is a bit dangerous, as > you'd have to be careful with what to do with the original nodes in > case they were also being used for other things. > > * I don't think "os-open" is a suitable source tag if it's supposed to > be referring to OS Open Map Local. Using something approximating the > full name would be better as it is less ambiguous. "os-open" could be > mistaken for a general tag referring to any of the OS OpenData > products. > > * The tags to be added would be easier to read if they were presented > as separate rows in a table. > > * Could the map layer switcher be shown open all the time? Before > adding a polygon, one should really check the Satellite view, so this > would save a click each time. > > * The height of the map view is annoying small on my large monitor. > > * Are you looking for OSM nodes and relations as well as ways? (e.g. > at http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/26893/ there's an existing node > that doesn't seem to be detected.) > > * When there's no OSM data, the forwards and backwards links look like > they're in a box with a title "Openstreetmap Data", when they're > actually nothing to do with any OSM data. If there's no OSM data to > display, then you should either have some placeholder text to say so, > or omit the heading. > > * The telephone numbers (phone=*) aren't in the international format > specified at http://wiki.openstreetmap.o
Re: [Talk-GB] RFC: Semi Automatic Import of schools
On 9 June 2016 at 15:40, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
<robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9 June 2016 at 10:50, Christian Ledermann
> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to propose to use http://schools.mapthe.uk for a semi automatic
>> import
>> of Ordonance Survey Open School grounds data combined with
>> edubase and seed data into OpenStreetMap.
>>
>> The Tool is available at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>> The sourcecode and documentation is available at
>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>
>> My tests with this tool are very encouraging, I'd like to go forward
>> to the imports mailing list with this proposal.
>
> I have a quick look at your tool, but I'm afraid the instances I was
> presented with initially left me rather confused about exactly what it
> is doing and where the data is coming from. (I didn't read the github
> readme to start with, as that looked from the start to be instructions
> for installing the app yourself, rather than how to use it.) I think
> that basic info should be provided on the page itself so users don't
> have to go elsewhere to find out what is what. It would also be good
> to have a better description of how things are selected / matched up
> between the datasets. In particular, is the tool trying to go through
> all school polygons in OS Open Map, or just those matched to an
> Edubase entry that doesn't have an existing ref:edubase match in OSM?
All school polygons in OS Open Local
> Are you just matching / showing things based on proximity to the
> current OS Open Map polygon?
yes
>
> The first few things I was shown were as follows:
>
> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22701/ -- The blue polygon seems to
> be for a churchyard, not a school. Why/how was is chosen / matched? Is
> it an error in OS Open Map perhaps?
Yes this is an Error in OS Open
> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/22591/ -- There's a school name but
> no other data shown. Is this because there are no nearby edubase
> entries?
Right.
>(It would be helpful if the page says so.) This might not
> mean the site is not/no longer a school though, as it could be a
> satellite site for a school with a main address elsewhere.
added ;-)
>
> * http://schools.mapthe.uk/assign/5733/ -- The red area is an existing
> OSM polygon, but this isn't made clear on the page. Also could the
> full set of tags be shown in the section at the bottom, ideally as a
> table?
I display other_tags + osm_id and name
the db tables look like this:
Table "public.points"
Column| Type |
Modifiers
--+--+--
ogc_fid | integer | not null default
nextval('points_ogc_fid_seq'::regclass)
wkb_geometry | geometry(Point,4326) |
osm_id | character varying|
name | character varying|
barrier | character varying|
highway | character varying|
ref | character varying|
address | character varying|
is_in| character varying|
place| character varying|
man_made | character varying|
other_tags | hstore |
Table "public.lines"
Column| Type|
Modifiers
--+---+-
ogc_fid | integer | not null default
nextval('lines_ogc_fid_seq'::regclass)
wkb_geometry | geometry(LineString,4326) |
osm_id | character varying |
name | character varying |
highway | character varying |
waterway | character varying |
aerialway| character varying |
barrier | character varying |
man_made | character varying |
other_tags | hstore|
Table "public.multilinestrings"
Column| Type |
Modifiers
--++
ogc_fid | integer| not null default
nextval('multilinestrings_ogc_fid_seq'::regclass)
wkb_geometry | geometry(MultiLineString,4326) |
osm_id | character varying |
name | character varying |
type | character varying |
other_tags | hstore |
Table "public.multipolygons"
Column|Type |
Modifiers
--+-+--
[Talk-GB] RFC: Semi Automatic Import of schools
Hi all,
I'd like to propose to use http://schools.mapthe.uk for a semi automatic import
of Ordonance Survey Open School grounds data combined with
edubase and seed data into OpenStreetMap.
The Tool is available at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
The sourcecode and documentation is available at
https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
My tests with this tool are very encouraging, I'd like to go forward
to the imports
mailing list with this proposal.
--
Best Regards,
Christian Ledermann
Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/
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If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
Changes to schools.mapthe.uk:
After adding a school now a new OpenStreetMap edit window opens on the
location of the polygon.
On 8 June 2016 at 08:35, Christian Ledermann
<christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just updated the tool to make it even smoother to add.
> it is still connected to api06.dev so please test it ;-)
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 18:16, Christian Ledermann
> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
>>
>> * clearer message that something is added to OSM
>> * display all osm features not just polygons
>> * import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
>> * no import of blank values
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
>> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach <edlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Christian asked:
>>>>
>>>>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>>>> Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>>>> What would you like to see as improvements?
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now.
>>>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS
>>>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead
>>>> to duplication.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I will add as Gregory sugested:
>>> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
>>> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
>>> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>>>
>>> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
>>> your input is very appreciated :-)
>>>
>>>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for
>>>> comparison?
>>>>
>>>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I
>>>> added it twice:
>>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
>>> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
>>> the 'add to osm' button.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not
>>>> put the tags on the way?
>>>
>>> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
>>> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I interpreted
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
>>> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>>>
>>>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank
>>>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>>>
>>>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has
>>>> been added from.
>>>
>>> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>>>
>>>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the
>>>> multipolygon and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings
>>>> within the polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this
>>>> possible?
>>>
>>> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
>>> browser - josm is another beast
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Christian Ledermann
>>>
>>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>>
>>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>>
>>>
>>> <*)))>{
>>>
>>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>&g
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
I just updated the tool to make it even smoother to add.
it is still connected to api06.dev so please test it ;-)
On 3 June 2016 at 18:16, Christian Ledermann
<christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
>
> * clearer message that something is added to OSM
> * display all osm features not just polygons
> * import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
> * no import of blank values
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach <edlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Christian asked:
>>>
>>>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>>>
>>>> Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>>> Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>>> What would you like to see as improvements?
>>>>
>>>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>>
>>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now.
>>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS
>>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead
>>> to duplication.
>>>
>>
>> I will add as Gregory sugested:
>> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
>> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
>> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>>
>> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
>> your input is very appreciated :-)
>>
>>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I
>>> added it twice:
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>>
>>
>> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
>> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
>> the 'add to osm' button.
>>
>>
>>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not
>>> put the tags on the way?
>>
>> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
>> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>>
>>
>> If I interpreted
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
>> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>>
>>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank
>>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>>
>>
>> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>>
>>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has
>>> been added from.
>>
>> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>>
>>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon
>>> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the
>>> polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
>>
>> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
>> browser - josm is another beast
>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save t
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
* clearer message that something is added to OSM
* display all osm features not just polygons
* import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
* no import of blank values
On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
<christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach <edlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Christian asked:
>>
>>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>>
>>> Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>> Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>> What would you like to see as improvements?
>>>
>>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now.
>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS
>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead
>> to duplication.
>>
>
> I will add as Gregory sugested:
> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>
> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
> your input is very appreciated :-)
>
>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for
>> comparison?
>>
>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I
>> added it twice:
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>
>
> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
> the 'add to osm' button.
>
>
>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put
>> the tags on the way?
>
> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>
>
> If I interpreted
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>
>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank
>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>
>
> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>
>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has
>> been added from.
>
> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>
>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon
>> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the
>> polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
>
> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
> browser - josm is another beast
>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach <edlo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Christian asked:
>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>> Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>> Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>> What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>
> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now.
> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS OpenData
> polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead to
> duplication.
>
I will add as Gregory sugested:
"The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
your input is very appreciated :-)
> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for
> comparison?
>
> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I
> added it twice:
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>
Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
the 'add to osm' button.
> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put
> the tags on the way?
Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
In this case a multipolygon is needed.
If I interpreted
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank
> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>
In the future blank values will be omitted.
> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has
> been added from.
source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon
> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the polygon,
> and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
browser - josm is another beast
>
> Ed
>
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
On 2 June 2016 at 21:04, Gregory Marler <i...@nomoregrapes.com> wrote: > So the polygon is from the OS open data? > >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id? > I don't think OS open data counts as the functional site, I think it is a > poor-quality(or low-resolution?) of the school property/boundary and so > doesn't need special tags beyond source (additionally add > source:outline=os_open if you really wish). functionalsite refers to the os-open name of the shapefile > > > I think your tool would be better if it clearly said "The highlighted > polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school outline is already shown > on the base map behind, then you should manually add the tags (& edubase > reference manually) to that object." > good idea, thanks :-) > Others on this list/community may have concerns, they should speak up or it > relies on the OSM Imports mailing list being sure this is suitable. > Can someone confirm that we do have copyright permission/ability for the > Edubase data? I.e. we can do go beyond "using it to conduct a survey, or add > only the ref" and we can directly add all those attributes with an import > tool? http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/about.xhtml `The Crown copyright-protected material featured on this website (other than Departmental logos) may be reproduced free of charge in any format or medium, under the terms of the “Open Government Licence":http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence` > > > From two roads away from a local primary school, > Gregory. > > > > On 2 June 2016 at 20:31, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm: >> >> Does the community `buy in` to this approach? >> Can I go forward to contacting osm imports? >> What would you like to see as improvements? >> >> As usual silence counts as approval ;-) >> >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann >> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > about operator tag >> > should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else? >> > >> > On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann >> > <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler <i...@nomoregrapes.com> wrote: >> >>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset. >> >>> >> >>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would >> >>> be >> >>> good. >> >> >> >> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ? >> >> >> >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id? >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this >> >>> might >> >>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g. >> >>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032 >> >> >> >> right, thanks :-) >> >> >> >>> >> >>> From Durham, >> >>> Gregory. >> >>> >> >>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann >> >>> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ >> >>>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test >> >>>> the >> >>>> application >> >>>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test >> >>>> server! >> >>>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything. >> >>>> >> >>>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann >> >>>> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> > I updated the >> >>>> > https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop >> >>>> > branch with your comments >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> >> Thanks a lot. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Some feedback about your code: >> >>>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py >> >>>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file: >> >>>> >> * the data/osm
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm: Does the community `buy in` to this approach? Can I go forward to contacting osm imports? What would you like to see as improvements? As usual silence counts as approval ;-) On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > about operator tag > should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else? > > On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann > <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler <i...@nomoregrapes.com> wrote: >>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset. >>> >>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be >>> good. >> >> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ? >> >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id? >> >>> >>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might >>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g. >>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032 >> >> right, thanks :-) >> >>> >>> From Durham, >>> Gregory. >>> >>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ >>>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the >>>> application >>>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server! >>>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything. >>>> >>>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann >>>> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop >>>> > branch with your comments >>>> > >>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> Thanks a lot. >>>> >> >>>> >> Some feedback about your code: >>>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py >>>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file: >>>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created >>>> >> * in this line: schools_file = open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data', >>>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w' >>>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should >>>> >> be >>>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot. >>>> >> >>>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at >>>> >> it >>>> >> later. >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks again. >>>> >> >>>> >> Eric >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann >>>> >> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html >>>> >>> >>>> >>> you have to download the >>>> >>> >>>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a >>>> >>> sligtly improved documentation >>>> >>> >>>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the >>>> >>> schooldata >>>> >>> >>>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from >>>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> `School contact details` from >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails >>>> >>> >>>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before >>>> >>> using it. The headers must be: >>>> >>>'SeedCode', >>>> >>> 'LA Name', >>>> >>>
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
about operator tag should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else? On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler <i...@nomoregrapes.com> wrote: >> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset. >> >> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be >> good. > > source would be edubase/seed+osopen ? > > what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id? > >> >> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might >> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g. >> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032 > > right, thanks :-) > >> >> From Durham, >> Gregory. >> >> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ >>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the >>> application >>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server! >>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything. >>> >>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann >>> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop >>> > branch with your comments >>> > >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> Thanks a lot. >>> >> >>> >> Some feedback about your code: >>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py >>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file: >>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created >>> >> * in this line: schools_file = open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data', >>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w' >>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should >>> >> be >>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot. >>> >> >>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at >>> >> it >>> >> later. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks again. >>> >> >>> >> Eric >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann >>> >> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html >>> >>> >>> >>> you have to download the >>> >>> >>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a >>> >>> sligtly improved documentation >>> >>> >>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the >>> >>> schooldata >>> >>> >>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from >>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml >>> >>> and >>> >>> `School contact details` from >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails >>> >>> >>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before >>> >>> using it. The headers must be: >>> >>>'SeedCode', >>> >>> 'LA Name', >>> >>> 'Centre Type', >>> >>> 'School Name', >>> >>> 'Address 1', >>> >>> 'Address 2', >>> >>> 'Address 3', >>> >>> 'Post code', >>> >>> 'E-mail', >>> >>> 'Phone', >>> >>> 'Primary_school', >>> >>> 'Secondary', >>> >>> 'Special', >>> >>> 'Primary roll', >>> >>>
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler <i...@nomoregrapes.com> wrote: > I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset. > > Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be > good. source would be edubase/seed+osopen ? what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id? > > I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might > happen to and not add them if blank. E.g. > http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032 right, thanks :-) > > From Durham, > Gregory. > > On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ >> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the >> application >> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server! >> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything. >> >> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann >> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop >> > branch with your comments >> > >> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> >> >> Some feedback about your code: >> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py >> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file: >> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created >> >> * in this line: schools_file = open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data', >> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w' >> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should >> >> be >> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot. >> >> >> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at >> >> it >> >> later. >> >> >> >> Thanks again. >> >> >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann >> >> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html >> >>> >> >>> you have to download the >> >>> >> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a >> >>> sligtly improved documentation >> >>> >> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the >> >>> schooldata >> >>> >> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from >> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml >> >>> and >> >>> `School contact details` from >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails >> >>> >> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before >> >>> using it. The headers must be: >> >>>'SeedCode', >> >>> 'LA Name', >> >>> 'Centre Type', >> >>> 'School Name', >> >>> 'Address 1', >> >>> 'Address 2', >> >>> 'Address 3', >> >>> 'Post code', >> >>> 'E-mail', >> >>> 'Phone', >> >>> 'Primary_school', >> >>> 'Secondary', >> >>> 'Special', >> >>> 'Primary roll', >> >>> 'Secondary roll', >> >>> 'Special roll', >> >>> 'Primary1', >> >>> 'Secondary1', >> >>> 'Special1', >> >>> 'Denomination' >> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/ You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the application It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server! You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything. On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote: > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop > branch with your comments > > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Some feedback about your code: >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file: >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created >> * in this line: schools_file = open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data', >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w' >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot. >> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it >> later. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Eric >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html >>> >>> you have to download the >>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a >>> sligtly improved documentation >>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata >>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml >>> and >>> `School contact details` from >>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails >>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before >>> using it. The headers must be: >>>'SeedCode', >>> 'LA Name', >>> 'Centre Type', >>> 'School Name', >>> 'Address 1', >>> 'Address 2', >>> 'Address 3', >>> 'Post code', >>> 'E-mail', >>> 'Phone', >>> 'Primary_school', >>> 'Secondary', >>> 'Special', >>> 'Primary roll', >>> 'Secondary roll', >>> 'Special roll', >>> 'Primary1', >>> 'Secondary1', >>> 'Special1', >>> 'Denomination' >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Hi Christian, >>> > >>> > Thanks for this app. >>> > >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip. >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't >>> > mentionned >>> > in the documentation). Thanks. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Eric >>> > >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann >>> > <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> > Hi Christian >>> >> > >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required >>> >> > for >>> >> > the >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app >>> >> > that >>> >> > ordinary folk can use? >>> >> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it. >>> >> >>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some >>> >> early feedback >>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > Regards >>> >> > >>> >
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop branch with your comments On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot. > > Some feedback about your code: > - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py > - the code fails to create the schools.osm file: > * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created > * in this line: schools_file = open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data', > 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w' > - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be > added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot. > > I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it > later. > > Thanks again. > > Eric > > > > On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html >> >> you have to download the >> >> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products >> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a >> sligtly improved documentation >> >> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata >> >> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml >> and >> `School contact details` from >> >> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails >> >> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before >> using it. The headers must be: >>'SeedCode', >> 'LA Name', >> 'Centre Type', >> 'School Name', >> 'Address 1', >> 'Address 2', >> 'Address 3', >> 'Post code', >> 'E-mail', >> 'Phone', >> 'Primary_school', >> 'Secondary', >> 'Special', >> 'Primary roll', >> 'Secondary roll', >> 'Special roll', >> 'Primary1', >> 'Secondary1', >> 'Special1', >> 'Denomination' >> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso <eric.grosso...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi Christian, >> > >> > Thanks for this app. >> > >> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip. >> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't >> > mentionned >> > in the documentation). Thanks. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Eric >> > >> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann >> > <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi Christian >> >> > >> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required >> >> > for >> >> > the >> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app >> >> > that >> >> > ordinary folk can use? >> >> >> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it. >> >> >> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some >> >> early feedback >> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > >> >> > Brian >> >> > >> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann >> >> > <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM, >> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data. >> >> >> >> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase >> >> >> >> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Christian Ledermann >
Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project
On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Christian
>
> Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required for the
> preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app that
> ordinary folk can use?
Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.
Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
early feedback
so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann <christian.lederm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>>
>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>
>> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>>
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If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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[Talk-GB] Schools Project
Hi,
I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
Please have a look and let me know what you think.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Newark on Trent mappers
maybe the edubase data could help with this
http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/about.xhtml states: The Crown
copyright-protected material featured on this website (other than
Departmental logos) may be reproduced free of charge in any format or
medium, under the terms of the “Open Government
Licence":http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence
also it could be used to enrich the OS Data with address, telefon number etc.
for a quick look at the data edubase provides:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/schools-in-england
As every school in edubase comes with a postcode it should be
reasonably easy to correlate the OS and EduBase data, and then weed
out closed schools
On 24 November 2015 at 18:31, SK53 <sk53@gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps not even for those give the number of Academies (also missing is the
> new academy in Dunkirk). Point in Polygons for Food Hygiene data might help.
>
> It would also be interesting to see what they do with multi-institution
> campuses. My nephews go to school in one such place.
>
> On 24 November 2015 at 18:15, Phil Endecott <spam_from_os...@chezphil.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> SK53 wrote:
>>>
>>> Quick look (Nottingham, of course):
>>>
>>>- Polygons look OK
>>>- Many features missing (e.g., University of Nottingham Main Campus,
>>>both sites of Dunkirk Primary School
>>>- Old features present (e.g., Elms Primary School, closed prior to
>>> 2011)
>>>- Reasonably well attributed.
>>>
>>> At the very least it could be used to hunt for missing schools (which
>>> I've
>>> done a bit of in N Scotland using Food Hygiene data).
>>
>>
>> Having looked at OpenMap Local for Edinburgh a while ago, my impression is
>> that they have used some rather primitive rules to identify "important
>> buildings". It picks up anything with "school" in the name, but fails to
>> mark most of the city landmarks - things that are shown in their older
>> "Street
>> View" data. So yes, it might work for schools - but not much else.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Newark on Trent mappers
there is also the Layer Functional site from which things like School
grounds could be extracted.
As this layer does not have the issues as the buildings (school
grounds of different schools are not merged:)
an import may be more vluable.
On 24 November 2015 at 16:53, Christian Ledermann
<christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> can you send me (a link to) the tiffs, I'd like to have a look at them,
> maybe there is a way to auto extract and compare buildings from that data
>
> On 24 November 2015 at 13:19, SK53 <sk53@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've finally (after 8 months) got around to looking at the OpenMap Local
>> buildings. I needed them for something else which caused me to download the
>> SK data. I'll say more in a blog post, but for now here are two comparisons
>> of OpenMap Local buildings with EA Lidar data (DSM-DTM & Z axis
>> accentuated):
>>
>> Central Newark (note parish church bottom left): https://flic.kr/p/ARUvRv
>> Residential area to E of town centre (note terraces):
>> https://flic.kr/p/ARUvQP
>>
>> I've also put a few comparisons of Nottingham between OSM & OpenMap
>> buildings.
>>
>> Generally I'd say that the OpenMap Local buildings, although better than
>> VMD, still have some of the same problems, and particularly that very
>> similar buildings (such as the terraced houses) may be shown differently, or
>> that discrete buildings are merged in unpredictable ways. It's also a bit
>> disappointing that the main medieval building, the parish church is just
>> shown as a box. The Lidar data looks to have more promise as a base line for
>> creating buildings. There may be scope to use the OpenMap Local buildings on
>> a case-by-case basis where these clearly match the Lidar/Aerial imagery, or
>> where the building shape is obviously simplified & can be improved (parish
>> church again). I would advise not touching things like most of the housing
>> and the merged buildings in the central retail areas. My experience with
>> working with such data is that splitting & refining such buildings is often
>> a lot more work than drawing them from scratch.
>>
>> I have Geotiffs for the DTM, DSM, their difference & hillshaded versions of
>> the DSM & difference. However I have failed to get these to load in JOSM. If
>> someone else know the trick do let me know.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 November 2015 at 13:03, Christian Ledermann
>> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Are there any mappers in and around Newark on Trent?
>>>
>>> I'd like to import the "OS Open Map - Local - SK" for newark and liked
>>> to have some other 'local eyes on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Christian Ledermann
>>>
>>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>>
>>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>>
>>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>>
>>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>>
>>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>>
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>
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>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
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>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>
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https://github.com/cleder/
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Newark on Trent mappers
can you send me (a link to) the tiffs, I'd like to have a look at them,
maybe there is a way to auto extract and compare buildings from that data
On 24 November 2015 at 13:19, SK53 <sk53@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've finally (after 8 months) got around to looking at the OpenMap Local
> buildings. I needed them for something else which caused me to download the
> SK data. I'll say more in a blog post, but for now here are two comparisons
> of OpenMap Local buildings with EA Lidar data (DSM-DTM & Z axis
> accentuated):
>
> Central Newark (note parish church bottom left): https://flic.kr/p/ARUvRv
> Residential area to E of town centre (note terraces):
> https://flic.kr/p/ARUvQP
>
> I've also put a few comparisons of Nottingham between OSM & OpenMap
> buildings.
>
> Generally I'd say that the OpenMap Local buildings, although better than
> VMD, still have some of the same problems, and particularly that very
> similar buildings (such as the terraced houses) may be shown differently, or
> that discrete buildings are merged in unpredictable ways. It's also a bit
> disappointing that the main medieval building, the parish church is just
> shown as a box. The Lidar data looks to have more promise as a base line for
> creating buildings. There may be scope to use the OpenMap Local buildings on
> a case-by-case basis where these clearly match the Lidar/Aerial imagery, or
> where the building shape is obviously simplified & can be improved (parish
> church again). I would advise not touching things like most of the housing
> and the merged buildings in the central retail areas. My experience with
> working with such data is that splitting & refining such buildings is often
> a lot more work than drawing them from scratch.
>
> I have Geotiffs for the DTM, DSM, their difference & hillshaded versions of
> the DSM & difference. However I have failed to get these to load in JOSM. If
> someone else know the trick do let me know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> On 20 November 2015 at 13:03, Christian Ledermann
> <christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Are there any mappers in and around Newark on Trent?
>>
>> I'd like to import the "OS Open Map - Local - SK" for newark and liked
>> to have some other 'local eyes on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>>
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https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/
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you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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[Talk-GB] Newark on Trent mappers
Hi,
Are there any mappers in and around Newark on Trent?
I'd like to import the "OS Open Map - Local - SK" for newark and liked
to have some other 'local eyes on it.
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Best Regards,
Christian Ledermann
Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/
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you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
1) Don’t drive species to extinction
2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
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